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Here are 2 photos of Victory (scale unknown) built by a friend of mine about 20 years ago captured by a poloroid camera that I had at the time. Not quite finished but nearly, he had to move out of his flat, it was to big to go through the lounge door into the hallway, so it went out through the front window after the sashes were removed!! It roughly measured 5 feet in hull length, a scratch build from plans obtained from Pompy Dockyard (?) All of the parts used he made up, including several hundred pully blocks!! All of the internal timbers are as per plan, although they are mostly hidden. I believe that the model was sold on, so hopefully she is still around, would love to see her again. Jack.
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Makes my Airfix Kit model look a bit ...............? :)
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HMS Victory is, in my opinion, the undoubted queen of naval sail vessels, preserved or lost to history. It's interesting that this sailing ship has probably been the most "built" model ever, from the less expensive plastic replicas up to the scratch-built accurate-down-to-the-marlinspikes masterpieces you see on many modelling sites. Speaks a lot about the high regard in which the RN and its fighting traditions are held by many, sailors or not, throughout the world. Like Jack, I hope that model still exists out there somewhere.

Portsmouth Model Boat Display Team's HMS VICTORY, inaugural sailing prior to "Trafalgar 200" celebration display. For more, visit [url]www.pmbdt.co.uk[/url] and left click on "Gallery" then from the same drop down menu, "HMS VICTORY" button will appear. Left click.
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I came across an item in a 1976 issue of the now-defunct quarterly magazine 'Model Shipwright' that covered the construction of a quarter-scale model of [I]Victory [/I]in 1935. It appears that the model was constructed on the hull of a 42 foot launch. See photos 2 - 5. Despite the claim in the article that there was much photographic interest in the model, there appears to be very little information available about it - which is a shame because it must have made a splendid sight. Are others able to add to this with information or photos? (I recall stumbling on a shot of the ship in Portsmouth Harbour in a Pathe News clip some years ago, but I haven't been able to locate it again. Unfortunately the model was not the subject of the clip and as it was not referred to in the caption or metadata it doesn't come up in a search.) Talk about a modeller's dream! Tony [I][B]Largest model ever built?[/B] Model Shipwright No. 16, June 1976 It is an interesting, if idle, speculation to try to define the largest ship-model ever built. We may dismiss full-sized replicas such as the Canadian-built Rose or the British Golden Hinde, but what about half and three-quarter size ships, such as those used by film companies for historical epics? There used to be two 'frigates' kept at Gibraltar for the use of the cinema industry, which starred in films like 'HMS Defiant' and 'Billy Budd', but both were reconstructions of merchant ships and not true replicas at all. Similarly, at various times, the idle rich have built whimsical yachts in the shapes of classic square riggers, and – on a more modern note - the famous pre-war yacht Cutty Sark was designed on the lines of a destroyer (the owner's fantasy finally came true, when Cutty Sark was used as an anti-submarine vessel in the Second World War). None of these were really models in any sense of the word, but there was one pre-war vessel which perhaps deserves to be considered the largest period ship model of all time. This was a quarter size version of the Victory, built in 1935 at HM Dockyards Gosport and Portsmouth. The origin of this monster model was as surprising as the model herself, because it arose out of an argument between two historically minded naval officers. Admiral Sir John Kelly, then C-in-C Home Fleet, criticised the reputedly fine sailing qualities of the Victory, which had recently been restored to her Trafalgar appearance and placed in the No 1 Dock at Portsmouth, largely through the efforts of the Society for Nautical Research: Captain (later Rear-Admiral) J H Batchelor, a member of the SNR and a keen amateur naval historian, disagreed and furthermore offered to prove his point with a large scale model of the ship. The proffered wager was eagerly accepted by the sceptical C-in-C, and the two officers agreed to use the resulting replica to promote 'Navy Week'. In short, Captain Batchelor won his bet, for the quarter size Victory sailed so well that HM King George V commanded her attendance at Cowes Week the following year! At the time many photographs were taken by newspapers and magazines, but the accompanying set is unique, being drawn from Admiral Batchelor's own album. They chronicle the building of the model, and as they are the personal property of the Batchelor family, they have never before been published. Sadly, the fate of this remarkable model is a total mystery – she was last seen in the Small Boat Dock at Portsmouth during the Second World War, but post-war investigations turned up neither a trace of the ship nor any information about what became of her. (The Model Shipwright editors acknowledged the loan by Admiral Batchelor's son, Lt Colonel H T N Batchelor, of the photographs.) [/I] Subsequently, a letter to the editor of 'Model Shipwright' (about four issues later) is understood to have advised that the model spent the War afloat in Portsmouth Dockyard unattended. It was dismantled in about 1944. The photos below come from the Model Shipwright issue and from [url]http://www.hmsvictory.de[/url] See also [url]http://pete.shorehambysea.com/shoreham-historical-photos/doris-k-steers-postcard-collection/the-stanley-page-collection/sp55a-2431.html#joomimg[/url] for post card photos of the model. The photos: Victory_1 -The enormous size of the Victory model is amply demonstrated by this picture of her on her launching trolley. Victory_2 - March 26, the old launch with original rough framing. Victory_3 - April 10, stern and starboard quarter. Victory_4 - May 10, framing nearing completion. Victory_5 - May 17, framing complete. Victory_6 - June 8, planking complete. Victory_7 - June 18, stern and quarter galleries complete. Victory_8 - June 22, hawse pipes fitted and painting commenced. Victory_9 - July 17, in No. 1 Basin for fitting out. Victory_10 - July 26, ready for sea. Victory_11 - With the crew visible some idea can be gained of the size of the model. Victory _12 The ship under sail. Note only the helmsman is visible. (This and the next two photos are not part of the Model Shipwright article. They are sourced from [url]http://www.hmsvictory.de[/url]. I have taken the liberty of including them for completeness, rather than just relying on the link. I acknowledge the very informative site maintained by Heinrich Siemers.) Victory_13. All hands aloft! Victory_14. Another shot of the ship under sail.
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Excellent article, and brilliant photos. Thanks for sharing Jim

As you state Jim , may I also add my thanks , seem to be such a shame that the vessel was not kept in good condition and such a sad fate for all the hundreds of hours put into creating this beautiful craft .it must have broken their hearts to see her stripped down Its the kind of thing people like me can only ever dream of undertaking and yearn for the skills such a project would have rewarded the builder as it evolved

Ivor: The dismantlement of a working model of such a famous ship was a loss but I suppose in 1944 there were greater concerns than preserving a model when the real ship was "next door". All the same the model would have been a useful vehicle to teach sea cadets the art of sail. Brian

I agree and in those days of lean times to , but such a sad loss and as you say could have been put to such good use and kept seaworthy ....still like many things of past times another mistake identified to late

[QUOTE=Scratch;10065718](I recall stumbling on a shot of the ship in Portsmouth Harbour in a Pathe News clip some years ago, but I haven't been able to locate it again. Unfortunately the model was not the subject of the clip and as it was not referred to in the caption or metadata it doesn't come up in a search[/QUOTE] This one? [URL="www.britishpathe.com/video/the-navys-at-home/"]www.britishpathe.com/video/the-navys-at-home/[/URL] Interesting the way they built the replica on top of the boat chasis. When you hear they built in on top of an open boat, I had expected them to simply add upper works onto the boats gunwhales and with a deck across, voila your replica. Not so, the boat was totally encased and the bow became the stern and vice versa. The only part of the boat that appears to have been visible is the keel. Re: the penultimate image 'Victory_13'. I see the men are wearing an early form of camouflage

Bingo - that's the one. The dimensions of the launch were clearly not right for the model - photo 5 shows how the beam was apparently extended to get the correct proportions. The 'dress' of the crew looks somewhat French!

Further to the article on the quarter scale model of [I]Victory[/I], the attached photo of the model adjacent to HMS [I]Nelson[/I] during the 1935 Coronation Review appeared in the Illustrated London News on 3 Aug 1935.
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well done Scratch excellent shot

Cannot compete with a lot of the models in this thread. Mine is a modified kit. 1300mm long, scale 1/78 Building time about 3 years. Frank
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Not a competition, but it would certainly be well up the rankings. Bet your ' House Maid ' loves dusting that. Thanks for fearing Jim

Frank likewise......................both built 1980's...............Airfix VICTORY and Revel "ALABAMA"
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As Jim pointed out Frank and Scurs , modelling is not a competition , to see who can do it best , ...rather a display of each of our singular interpretations of a Ship . If it were otherwise I would not post my efforts believe me :o Many many hours of dedication shown by you there Frank ...well done ;)

I have this gut feeling that I have just been admonished by Ivor..:confused::confused::confused:................if so, the reason for said admonishment escapes me..............ok 14 days 9's it is! :(............."Mutter, mutter, got a green rub...........mutter............talk about seen off..........all I did was...............mutter"...............switch to sulk.:D

Not at all Scurs , why would I criticise anyone else's hard spent cash and months of work .........:cool: I have seen many models of an identical subject and all portray a different story [ usually the trade of the individual concerned] but that does not infer any criticism mealy a different approach to the end product I know my faults ....But i try to distract attention from them ;) Well done to you both and long may you be driven to express your style of work in a timeless craft ......

I appear to have trodden on a sore toe. What I really meant was that I would love to be able to build a large RC model. There used to be model boat shows in England,where prizes were awarded. Have they all gone ? To me building a model is for my own personal satisfaction. Frank

Not as far as I am concerned Frank all modellers are very welcome here , and yours certainly qualifies ...so no worries mate As for model boat shows there are various dotted about the country at various times of the year , the one I personally try to visit is the International model boat show held in Warwick in early November , and most boat clubs hold their own where cups / trophies are awarded for various disciplines , i.e. Yacht models / races , best new model , best Warship ....etc etc .........they may even do this at Warwick but not my bag....... so not sure ....sorry Frank....but judging by what I have seen of your model you should try your hand if thats your area of interest March 1-2 Ellesmere Port Model boat Show .. Boat Museum Ellesmere Port April 5/6 National Model Boat Show Hermitage Leisure Centre May 9/11 Nat Model Eng and Model exhib Harrogate Showground June 7/8 Doncaster Model Boat Show Doncaster Deaf School Doncaster June 13/15 Weston Park Model Airshow Weston Park Staffordshire June 28/29 Wings and Wheels North Weald Epping July 28/29 Cosford LMA MFA Cosford Airfield nr Telford Aug 23/24 Model Boat Convention Haydock Park Lancs Sept 13/14 Southern Model Airshow Headcorn Aerodrome Kent OCT 25/26 Blackpool Model Boat Show Northbreck Castle Hotel Blackpool Nov 7/9 International Model Boat Show Warwickshire Exhibition Centre Leamington Spa So theres a few to be getting on with , but do check out for local clubs as well . Some of the Airshows also incorporate model suppliers and local clubs so in all cases ..PHONE FIRST;)

[QUOTE=Frankwaller;10106481]Cannot compete with a lot of the models in this thread. Mine is a modified kit. 1300mm long, scale 1/78 Building time about 3 years. Frank[/QUOTE] Nice one Frank, Worthy of a glass class to display her in. I built Victory from a kit when deployed on Hermes in 1967 - spent six months doing it and very carefully boxed it to take home for my eldest son's bedroom - the idea was to glass case it on the window shelf. After seeing it he wanted it there and then , so be it. What I hadn't reckoned on was he would play football in the bedroom with his boisterous chum - and the rest is history - I never built Victory again. Scurs , don't know when you are anchored or I would look up the Shows near you. Get started mate - it is a fantastic hobby and keeps brain and hands synchronised plus satisfaction and generating new friends. You will see many of us on the forum giving constructive advise and help when asked but never adverse criticism. There are too many anoraks around our ponds and lakes who will do that. Dave H

have just been looking at our sadly depleted modelling thread where it seems the Mods have been removing no end of threads ......might not have noticed but there were some wonderful pictures of model boats from the last time I visited the Int Model boat Show , which would have illustrated the scoop and depth of this show , which even had its own indoor lake to exhibit your pride and joy on ...........but alas it and many more have been deleted :( Soory I did not comment on the RC model comment Frank but we can offer all sorts of advice depending on what you want to know :D As for BIG well my current big one is HMS VICTORIOUS but "Sandy" is your boy for big as he has built no end of them and where you may like to start or send him a PM to "Destroyerman"...but judging by the way this thread has been pruned ....you better hurry up

[quote=ivorthediver;10106675]have just been looking at our sadly depleted modelling thread where it seems the Mods have been removing no end of threads ......might not have noticed but there were some wonderful pictures of model boats from the last time I visited the Int Model boat Show , which would have illustrated the scoop and depth of this show , which even had its own indoor lake to exhibit your pride and joy on ...........but alas it and many more have been deleted :( [/quote] Not sure about that Ivor, could [URL="http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8453&highlight=international"]this [/URL]be what you were looking for, 2010 seems just like yesterday;) Jim

[QUOTE=jbryce1437;10106699]Not sure about that Ivor, could [URL="http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8453&highlight=international"]this [/URL]be what you were looking for, 2010 seems just like yesterday;) Jim[/QUOTE] Thank you Jim , where did you resurrect these from please :D;) Frank " Click' on the link highlighted by jim on this post and watch the three pages of comments / photo's taken at this boat show to see what they are like ........Again WELCOME to this oasis of sanity and help ....... If you need information on a vessel or how it worked ASK ....its all here from the most knowledgable source there is ..........THE Crew who SERVED ON THEM;)

[QUOTE=Destroyerman;10106700] (It appears that our colleague ap1 (Andy) .... a prolific contributer, has left the Forum as a result ........look up "last visited" on his profile and nothing appears). Sandy.[/QUOTE] Sandy: Andy did take a short "stand easy," but is now back amongst the ship's company. His most recent post was on February 9th. Cheers!

He visited the forum only yesterday. :confused::confused:

[QUOTE=ivorthediver;10106706]Thank you Jim , where did you resurrect these from please :D;) Frank " Click' on the link highlighted by jim on this post and watch the three pages of comments / photo's taken at this boat show to see what they are like ........Again WELCOME to this oasis of sanity and help ....... If you need information on a vessel or how it worked ASK ....its all here from the most knowledgable source there is ..........THE Crew who SERVED ON THEM;)[/QUOTE] It wasn't "resurrected" it was always there. I just used the search facility using a word from your post - "international" For obvious reasons, I have removed Sandy's reply to your post. Jim

Be that as it may be Jim , if you look at the modelling thread where it used to be and was removed from............. it was not to be seen :confused: When removed do all posts end up in the files of the "search facility " Well sorted now , and lesson learned , I will assume that all missing threads now sit in the archives of the SEARCH facility .....many thanks for explaining how the system works , as I say I have only been a member since 2009 . I regret having to display my ignorance of the changes made on the Forum ...lets hope others are aware of this now

Ivor Many thanks for the offer of help. Unfortunately eyesight has become a problem Hope to have more surgery later this year. I have R/C tug so am familiar with that side of things. Plus a few years flying model aircraft. Regards Frank

[quote=ivorthediver;10106719]Be that as it may be Jim , if you look at the modelling thread where it used to be and was removed from............. it was not to be seen :confused: When removed do all posts end up in the files of the "search facility " Well sorted now , and lesson learned , I will assume that all missing threads now sit in the archives of the SEARCH facility .....many thanks for explaining how the system works , as I say I have only been a member since 2009 . I regret having to display my ignorance of the changes made on the Forum ...lets hope others are aware of this now[/quote] As the Forums grow and more threads are added, older posts slip down in the pecking order. This particular section is currently spread over 8 pages, at around 30 threads per page, and the images that you referred to were in a thread on page 4 of the section, the last post on it being made on it in January 2012. The search engine does not work for the Shore Leave Section, but it does for the Modelling Section, which is how I located the images. Jim

Thanks for that explanation Jim. I would just like to underline that no modelling thread has ever been removed or archived.

[QUOTE=Frankwaller;10106731]Ivor Many thanks for the offer of help. Unfortunately eyesight has become a problem Hope to have more surgery later this year. I have R/C tug so am familiar with that side of things. Plus a few years flying model aircraft. Regards Frank[/QUOTE] well sorry to hear that Frank , we all end up in that position , had laser treatment myself so know how you feel mate . Any pics of the Tug please ? Ahhh like me thats where I started modelling to , but got fed up reverting the models to kit form and thought it cheaper to make boats which I enjoy far more and only have minor repair work to attend to when accidents occur . Did you view the pages Jim put a link in for on post .24......just click on the word underlined "This" and look through the pictures and standard of work displayed their[ now see you live in NZ so better start saving air fare

Ok sorted out the mystery of the missing threads , which with the help of pms from the Mods is now resolved . At the bottom of the Modelling Forums main page is a set of options in the bottom left hand corner which gives you various display options . Mine was set on display the last 75 days ....why I have no Idea but altered it to last year and all was revealed and the posts [ and all the other pages are now shown . Sorry to take up apace on this thread but thought it best to clear up the occurrence and hold up my hand to say SORRY and warn others of the problem .....which I was certainly not aware off but is now sorted ....so check yours now and see what happens please

Pleased you have sorted the problem Ivor. In case anyone else has the same problem, this is a screenshot of the section that you refer to. My settings are configured to [B]The Beginning[/B] rather than a specific period in time - thus listing [B]every [/B]thread since the section was started. Jim
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[QUOTE=Dave Hutson;10106672] I built Victory from a kit when deployed on Hermes in 1967 - spent six months doing it and very carefully boxed it to take home for my eldest son's bedroom - the idea was to glass case it on the window shelf. After seeing it he wanted it there and then , so be it. What I hadn't reckoned on was he would play football in the bedroom with his boisterous chum - and the rest is history - I never built Victory again. Dave H[/QUOTE] Just think of what would have occurred if it HAD been in a glass case - broken glass all over his room, and perhaps worse?

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