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A little while ago our local €urocity was selling models of famous sailing ships that were actually quite detailed and attractive. Unable to resist such things and especially for €1 each, I bought models of Bounty, La Serenissima, Victory, Cutty Sark, a particularly fine Vasa and a few others. One ship was a Soviet vessel named Sedov and I would like to find out more about this seemingly fine ship. I could look on the Internet but I would prefer the more informed enthusiasm of members for information. Though flying the Hammer and Sickle, to my untutored eye this looks to be a pre-revolutionary vessel, possibly renamed. I would also surmise that it may have been a training ship. I have to say that, though a student of Russian history, this name does not strike a chord with me. Am I missing the entirely obvious and should be ashamed of myself?

The SEDOV is the largest sailing ship in the world today. It was of German construction and was confiscated in 1946. A four masted bark, its nominally posted to the Russian Baltic Fleet and is operated by Kaliningrad Higher Marine Engineering College. A very impressive ship, it is a regular visitor to various "TALL SHIP" meetings. Best wishes and good luck with the model......... (I once bought a Beriev 12 seaplane model in the same conditions)

Here is a photo of her alongside..... Jack.
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I wonder how the Germans must feel when they see their old ship sailing about still in Russian hands?? Probably pleased after all these years?

Probably as p-----d off as the French were to see stormtroopers on the CHAMPS ELYSEES................

Hi, here are a little more details about this beauty for you. The Sedov was built in 1921 at the 'Krupp-Germania'-shipyard and at this time her name was 'Magdalene Vinnen'. In the 1930's she was renamed to 'Kommodore Johnson' and as far as I know she was sailing as a german sail-training-ship. After the 2nd WW she went to Russia as reparation, has been renamed to 'Sedov' and disappeared for a long time (being used after restauration in the far north as a research-ship). Nearly fourty years had to pass by, until she reappeared at the Cutty-Sark Tall-Ships Races at the beginning of the 1980's, and since that time you can find her every year at sailing festivals and many european ports, etc. Since 1995 she is painted black, because she doubled the 'Pamir', a ship that sunk in the 1950s. Her actual owner is the Murmansk Technical State University, and the Sedov is used as a training-ship for students. Right now she is at the shipyard at her homeport Murmansk for restauration and in four weeks she will return to the north sea. A little more details: Length: 117,5m Height (masts): 58m Width: 14,7m Sails: 4.195m² Everyone can book a journey (from 1 day duration to 2 weeks) as a trainee and participate at the work on board: steering, setting sails, helping the cook, etc.

Do you get to whip the people on punishement and hang the condemmned too?:eek:

not as far as i know, those times are gone... ;-D.

The Russian Navy have just dispatched PETR VELIKLY, MOSCOVA, YAROSLAV MUDRY plus certain support craf on a world tour. On tour too since december the 4 masted bark "KRUZENSHTERN" which is actually en route for CUBA, having been to VANCOUVER and ACOPULCO.:cool:
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Magdalene Vinnen II during her last voyage under the Vinnen flag of Germany, sailing into Sydney Harbour, Australia, in 1936. Scanned from the original glass plate negative in my collection. Regards, Steve G.
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[QUOTE=gandolfi;10130924]Magdalene Vinnen II during her last voyage under the Vinnen flag of Germany, sailing into Sydney Harbour, Australia, in 1936. Scanned from the original glass plate negative in my collection. Regards, Steve G.[/QUOTE] A fine study of a four-masted barque.

Robert Carter's wonderful book, "Windjammers, The Final Storey" has quite a nice painting of Magdelene Vinnen departing Sydney with a full load of wool in 1933. "Others have reported on her construction but the FA Vinnen Company relied on cargo to remain viable but catered to the need for Germany to builfd up her Merchant and Naval fleets by taking up to 50 boys per ship who would subsequently enter both fleets as Officers. The Vinnen Company placed an order with Krupps to build 5 unconventional 5 masted sailing ships between 1921 - 1923 The word "unconventional" is used as there has never been a satisfactory description of their rig type. They were fore and aft rigged on each of the 5 masts but had 3 square topsails on the fore and "middle" masts. To call them "topsail schooners would imply that they were rigged with topsails on the foremast only, like conventional topsail schooners (Robert Carter's painting shows her with square rig on three masts and the glass plate photo also shows that. Both show only 4 masts so I assume a rig change at some point). The lubberly-sounding word "middle" to describe the third mast from the bow seemed to be used in German five masted vessels (mittel in German). The training on the MV was intense, more so than the average large sailing ship. On the outward voyage the permanent sailors spent a lot of their time teaching the boys, they had to master all the equipment, manoeuvers,...........in fact everything connected with seamanship. They were tested regularly" The above description is given to Robert Carter by Otto Neumann, a retired German Master Mariner who had been the Second Mate on her in 1925. She was the only ship in the grain fleet with an auxiliary engine, 600 hp with only 18 days fuel! "In 1937 the Nord Deutscher Lloyd Line bought her for use as a training ship. Re-named Kommodore Johnsen she was sent out to Port Lincoln to load grain and again in 1939. This proved to be her last cargo. She was in Bremen at the outbreak of war and during the war made short training cruises in the Baltic. In 1945 the USSR claimed her as a war prize and re-named her Sedov, using her as a pure training ship for the Department of Fisheries." She was still in commission in 2004 Cheers Chris

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