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Ahoi and greetings to all. I've noticed there's no mention of the German mine countermeasure forces of the now German Navy so far. Now an then German minesweepers and minehunters visit ports fm Norway to North Africa and Portugal to sometimes Kuwait. Therefore I decided to start a thread about our units starting with vessels based on the Hameln Class minesweepers (Class 343). Class 343 was designed for baltic cold war operations meaning the main task was minelaying because of Soviet and East-German landings expected at the start of a conflict. At first this class was called "Minenkampfboot 343". They were designed for minelaying under air and surface threat. Therefore they were equipped with two single Bofors 40mm, two starters for Stinger, a M20 combined surface/air search and weapon direction radar, two TKWA-24 (hotdog and silverdog) chaff dispensers and ESM DR-2000 with Sarie II. They were capable for loading and laying up to 60 mines. As they would be guarded by FPBs/FACs they got Link 11 UHF and PALIS combat direction system. A few years later the design was renamed to "Schnelles Minensuchboot 343". For minesweeping they were equipped with mine avoidance sonar STN Atlas DSQS-15A, mechanical and accoustic sweeping gear. Basic dates: Length: 54,4 m Beam: 9,2 m Draught: 2,7 m Displacement: ca 600 ts Propulsion: 2 MTU-Diesel, each 2040 kW Speed: 18 Kts Crew: 42 (peace)/45 (war) Units and Organisition: FGS Pegnitz (M 1090) (later Class 352 MSCD) FGS Kulmbach (M 1091) (later Class 333 MHC) FGS Hameln (M 1092) (later Class 352 MSCD) FGS Auerbach/Opf (M 1093) (later Class 352 MSCD) FGS Ensdorf (M 1094) (later Class 352 MSCD) FGS Überherrn (M 1095) (later Class 333 MHC) FGS Passau (M 1096) (later Class 333 MHC) FGS Laboe (M 1097) (later Class 333 MHC) FGS Siegburg (M 1098) (later Class 352 MSCD) FGS Herten (M 1099) (later Class 333 MHC) All units were named for smaller towns and belonged to the 5th GE Minesweeping Squadron in Olpenitz. After the end of the cold war and after German reunification their main task wasn't important anymore. So it was decided to convert the class. Furthermore it was decided to mix several MCM vessel types in heterogeneous squadrons. 5 units were converted to Kulmbach Class minehunters (Class 333) and joined the 3rd GE Minesweeping Squadron in Olpenitz while the remaining 5 units stayed in the 5th German Minesweeping Squadron and became Ensdorf Class minesweepers (Class 352). The Ensdorf Class should replace the overaged six Lindau Class minesweepers (Class 351) and should also be capable to operate their remote controlled "Seehund" magnetic/accoustic sweepers. The conversions were finished at the start of the new century. Ensdorf Class minesweepers are capable to operate up to 4 "Seehund" vessels. Kulmbach Class specifics: - none mechanical or accoustic sweeping gear - minehunting sonar DSQS-11M instead of DSQS-15A - oneway ROV drones "Sea Fox II" for identification and countermining Ensdorf Class specifics: - mechanical sweeping gear SDG-21 - accoustic sweep capable - magnetic and accoustic sweep capable with up to 4 "Seehund" vessels - also oneway ROV drones "Sea Fox II" for identification and countermining (but not as many as Class 333) - 45 px crew all times Since decommisioning of Naval Base Olpenitz these units are based in Kiel. They're participating regularly in SNMCMG1 and SNMCMG2 xmt Class 352 which participates only in SNMCMG1. Due to the now shortage of German FPBs/FACs members of these classes also join TF 448 for UNIFIL surveillance ops (Kulmbach, Überherrn and Laboe/Ensdorf, Auerbach and Pegnitz without "Seehund"). Both classes are nowadays also capable of Link 11 HF. The next refit of both classes sees the removal of both 40mm Bofors which will be replaced by one Rheinmetall 27mm MLG on the focsle. This gun can be directed by a MSP 500 optronic sensor mounted above the bridge. The TKWA-24 chaff dispensers will be replaced by two MAASS-dispensers and the units will get laser warning sensors. Thanks for reading and now the pictures. Next comment will introduce the Frankenthal Class (332) singlerole minehunters. :)
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Matze, nice photo's of the minesweepers, here's one of Kulmbach. I do have a few others but not sure what class they are. Homburg, Weilheim, Bad Bevensen, Frankenthal and Weiden. Regards Alan
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Thanks for yr reply Alan. Weilheim, Weiden and Bad Bevensen are Frankenthal Class (332) singlerole minehunters. They'll be topic of my next comment. As for the Kulmbach pic one can see the small white INMARSAT Fleet 77 antenna and the empty 2nd 40mm Bofors mounting above the aftdeck. I say the picture was taken in 2008 as Kulmbach left UNIFIL TF 448 in September 2007 (released by Überherrn). After her deployment the crew had holidays and in ?2008? she went to JMC before beginning her maintenance refit in Peene-Yard Wolgast where she still is. Of all GE MCM units only the 6 vessels which participated in UNIFIL MAROPS are equipped with INMARSAT F77. Have to clean my car now. Rgds Matze

As I've posted something about classes 343 -> 333 & 352 I'm going to write a comment containing informations about the Frankenthal Class (332) singlerole minehunters. At the end of the 1980s the then Westgerman Navy (Bundesmarine) thought about replacing the 12 Lindau Class (331A & 331B) minehunters with 10 new minehunters. These 12 old units (former Class 320 coastal minesweepers converted at the end of the 1970s) were first commissioned in the second half of the 1950s. As the new Frankenthal minehunters should be reliable and not more expensive than the Hameln Class minesweepers the contracted yards (Lürssen and Abeking & Rasmussen under leadership of STN Atlas Elektronik) used the hull design and most of the techniques of the Hameln Class. The Frankenthal units are also made nearly entirely of nonmagnetic steel. Because cold war measures weren't necessary anymore the Class 332 didn't get a multi-threat equipment like the precessing Hameln Class. At first their only sensor would be a Raytheon Raypath navigational radar. At the beginning of the new century they got additional MSP 500 optronic sensor. Their only weapons were one really oldschool 40mm Bofors in the old Type 58/59 mounting without direction system, two MG3 machine guns and two starters for four Stingers each. They've got no ESM/ECM, combat direction system or Link 11. It shows the design for operating under major air and surface superiority. At first it was planned to build a new 2nd GE Minesweeping Squadron based at Emden but as the German mine warfare training area and most of the remaining mines and ammo dumps are in the Baltic Sea it was decided to form a new 1st GE Minesweeping Squadron based in Olpenitz. Some Class 332 dates: - dimensions: as Class 343 (333 & 352) - crew: 38 (peace) / 42 (war) - minehunting sonar STN Atlas DSQS-11M - embarked mineclearance divers (1 officer/1 chief/up to 3 POs) - two ROV drones STN Atlas "Pinguin B3" with up to 32 mine destruction charges - Haux Spacestar decompression chamber for up to 6 persons The class members: 332/01 FGS Frankenthal (M 1066) 332/02 FGS Weiden (M 1060) 332/03 FGS Rottweil (M 1061) 332/04 FGS Bad Bevensen (M 1063) 332/05 FGS Bad Rappenau (M 1067) 332/06 FGS Datteln (M 1068) 332/07 FGS Grömitz (M 1064) 332/08 FGS Homburg (M 1069) 332/09 FGS Dillingen (M 1065) 332/10 FGS Sulzbach-Rosenberg (M 1062) 332/11 FGS Fulda (M 1058) (surplus unit) 332/12 FGS Weilheim (M 1059) (surplus unit) The first unit, FGS Frankenthal, was commissioned in 1992 while the last unit, FGS Weilheim, joined in 1999. In October 1999 it was decided to mix the squadrons with different MCM vessel types. So FGS Frankenthal, FGS Bad Rappenau and FGS Sulzbach-Rosenberg changed to the 3rd GE Minesweeping Squadron. At the end of the 1990s the class got newer guns. The oldschool mounting was replaced by 40mm Bofors KWS HS99/L70 which could load in total 101 shells. At the start of the new century all units got the MSP 500 optronic sensor. Because of saving money and restructuring of the GE Fleet the 1st GE Minesweeping Squadron was disbandend in December 2005. Weiden, Rottweil, Homburg, Dillingen, Fulda and Weilheim joined also the 3rd GE MS SQN. But for Frankenthal, Weiden and Rottweil were only on a short stay for the first two units would be saled to the United Arab Emirates in 2006 while FGS Rottweil replaced the now decommisioned FGS Mühlhausen (M 1052) as mineclearance diver vessel. With most of the remnants of the 1st GE MS SQN joining, FGS Bad Rappenau changed to 5th MS SQN ... like Bad Bevensen, Datteln and Grömitz of the former 1st GE MS SQN. In order to confuse the dear reader not entirely here's the current German MW organisation: Naval Base Kiel: 3rd GE MS SQN: - five Class 333 MHCs: FGS Kulmbach, FGS Überherrn, FGS Passau, FGS Laboe, FGS Herten - five Class 332 MHCs: FGS Homburg, FGS Dillingen, FGS Fulda, FGS Weilheim, FGS Sulzbach-Rosenberg - two Class 404M AGCMs: FGS Rhein, FGS Werra 5th GE MS SQN: - five Class 352 MSCDs: FGS Ensdorf, FGS Pegnitz, FGS Hameln, FGS Siegburg, FGS Auerbach/OPf - four Class 332 MHCs: FGS Bad Rappenau, FGS Bad Bevensen, FGS Datteln, FGS Grömitz - one Class 404M AGCM: FGS Mosel Naval Base Eckernförde: GENAVSPECFOR: - one Class 332B MCD: FGS Rottweil - diver training vessel FGS Langeoog In the last years and yet in progress is the replacing of the single 40mm Bofors by a Rheinmetall 27mm MLG on all 332 & 332A units. Hope you like the comment and forgive me the rape of yr language. The red fox is the mascot of FGS Sulzbach-Rosenberg. It's similar to the symbol of a tiny Bavarian private brewery in the town of Sulzbach-Rosenberg. I was leading radio operator and PO o/b this unit for six years.
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Matze, thank you for the information on the class of minesweepers. I'm not sure of any of the dates of the photo's here, but they come from relatives in Scotland so they are certainly taken on the river Clyde. Regards Alan
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Many thanks for the pictures. Sorry, but I can't say when they were taken. Here some rather unusual photos. XMT yr 4th picture. This photo must be taken in 2005 as FGS Frankenthal participated only once in SNMCMG1 (MCMFORNORTH). The photo of FGS Bad Bevensen was taken between 2006 and 2008 as she wears the crest of the 5th GE MS SQN. At the beginning of 2009 she left Kiel for joining SNMCMG2. The picture of FGS Weiden is prior the end of 2005. She bears the crest of 1st GE MS SQN on her bow. FGS Weilheim seems to be part of SNMCMG1 in 2008. She shows her "Ice Age rat thing" mascot and her international C/S painted on her nock.
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matze really enjoyed reading your thread, so i've attached pics of the passau i took during my last stint with mcmfornorth in 2006. they were taken in norwegian waters and during the traditional sail past when we all departed to our home ports for easter leave.
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forgot to add i've included a picture of the rhein as she was the command ship during that deployment

Nice pics. Had my last sail past in 2002 when we were part of MCMFORSOUTH and sailed together with HMS Grimsby. My only experiences with MCMFORNORTH were Open Spirit 2000, 2002, 2003, Blue Game 2004 plus DAMCONEX drill o/b HMS Brocklesby in Neustadt 2007 and MC OpLit 2008 in Klaipeda (with HMS Hurworth and HMS Roebuck) when my crew sailed o/b FGS Herten. Most of the time "my" units tend nearly entirely to sail south ... med, black sea. We're going to start our workup in August followed by SAGA and MOST in October or November for it's planned to join SNMCMG2 in January 2010. FGS Passau ... awful radio division but a fine lot for celebrating 1, 2, 12 drinks. In January or February she passed SAGA. Until a month ago it was planned that her crew should change to FGS Laboe and join UNIFIL TF 448. Now and then I'm writing with a former radio operator of HMS Grimsby on facebook. Now he's in the fishery protection sqn. His name is Kieren. Nice guy. Here some new pics ... cheers.
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thanks for your reply, i havent been in european waters since we did mcmfornorth in 2006, due to doing seafox trials and then taking over the ramsay for 8 months in the gulf. when we came back we took over shoreham which i have now left as i'm due shore time till june 2010. as for the passau celebrating, i can vaguely remember a bavarian breakfast onboard in kristiansand before we all said for home!:)

Yesterday I've got a phone call. In May Passau will participate in MC OPLAT (Ventspils/Irben Strait) and is in need of a Comms Chief. I've studied the OPLAN task org but no British unit will join. So I've to visit BNS Lobelia instead. Maybe Frits van den Magdenburg is still Chief Engineer. :D At the moment I'm preparing my next topic comment about some older types. Cheers

Excellent thread Matze, and very well researched, looks as though you could give Kookaburra (Australian thread) a challenge!! Well done lad. Regards Mik

Lovely pictures Matze. I have never seen a 40mm Bofors gun like the one portrayed, (And I have fired one!) Is all that 'gubbins' on top designed so that a loader and suppliers are not required? Perhaps I am asking the obvious? Regards, Colin.

Hey Colin, yes it's a magazine for pre-loading up to 99 shells. So there's no need for the 2 loading guys as in the type 58 mounting. Sad that the gun will be replaced by that flimsy 27mm Rheinmetall MLG. Very many thanks Mik. I'm very sorry for being late with my new comment but I'm up to the ears in preparations for MC OPLAT and my own unit left drydock on thursday. But now ... Ahoi and cheers again, as earlier announced I present some facts about the early MCM vessels of the then Bundesmarine. In this comment I'll begin right at the start of the German minewarfare forces after the founding of the Bundesmarine with the Classes 359 and 319. Some of these units were previously former Kriegsmarine vessels serving in the mainly British controlled GMSA (German Minesweeping Administration) and US-American controlled LSU/B (Labour Service Unit/Bremerhaven) after WW II while others were given back from the allied navies. Class 359 contained 2 batches of Kriegsmarine coastal minesweepers (Räumboote) new classified as fast minesweepers (Schnelles Minensuchboot Klasse 359). All of them were built by Abeking & Rasmussen, Lemwerder. Some of them were equipped with Voith Schneider Propellers for extra maneuverability. Class 359 technical data: 8 units batch R41-R129 (1939-1944) Dimensions: 37,68m / 5,62m / 1,50m Displacement: 125/136 ts Propulsion: 2 x MAN-Diesel / 1836 hp / 20 kts max. Range: 1100 nm Armament: 1 or 2 single 20mm Crew: 27 px 12 units batch R130-R150 (1943-1944) Dimensions: 41,05m / 5,72m / 1,60m Displacement: 150/155 ts Propulsion: 2 x MAN-Diesel / 1836 hp / 20 kts max. Range: 110 nm Armament: 2 single 20mm (xmt FGS Merkur & FGS Spica: 1 20mm) Crew: 28 px Class members: Name (Hull No)/ex-Kriegsmarine No/Recommissioned/Squadron FGS Capella (M1050) / ex-R133 / 19 Jun 1956 / 1st GE MS SQN FGS Castor (M1051) / ex-R138 / 19 Jun 1956 / 1st GE MS SQN FGS Mars (M1052) / ex-R136 / 19 Jun 1956 / 1st GE MS SQN FGS Orion (M1053) / ex-R132 / 05 Jun 1956 / 1st GE MS SQN FGS Pollux (M1054) ex-R140 / 19 Jun 1956 / 1st GE MS SQN FGS Regulus (M1055) / ex-R142 / 31 Jul 1956 / 1st GE MS SQN FGS Rigel (M1056) / ex-R135 / 05 Jun 1956 / 1st GE MS SQN FGS Saturn (M1057) / ex-R146 / 31 Jul 1956 / 1st GE MS SQN FGS Sirius (M1058) / ex-R144 / 05 Jun 1956 / 1st GE MS SQN FGS Spica (M1059) / ex-R147 / 31 Jul 1956 / 1st GE MS SQN FGS Aldebaran (M1060) / ex-R91 / 15 Nov 1956 / 3rd GE MS SQN FGS Algol (M1051) / ex-R99 / 30 Oct 1956 / 3rd GE MS SQN FGS Arcturus (M1062) /ex-R128 / 15 Nov 1956 / 3rd GE MS SQN FGS Atair (M1063) / ex-R76 / 30 Oct 1956 / 3rd GE MS SQN FGS Deneb (M1064) / ex-R127 / 30 Oct 1956 / 3rd GE MS SQN FGS Jupiter (M1065) / ex-R137 / 31 Jul 1956 / 1st GE MS SQN, Oct '56: 3rd GE MS SQN FGS Merkur (M1066) / ex-R134 / 05 Jun 1956 / 1st GE MS sQN, Oct '56: 3rd GE MS SQN FGS Pegasus (M1067) / ex-R68 / 15 Nov 1956 / 3rd GE MS SQN FGS Skorpion (M1068) / ex-R120 / 15 Nov 1956 / 3rd GE MS SQN FGS Wega (M1069) / ex-R67 / 30 Oct 1956 / 3rd GE MS SQN All vessels were decommissioned between 1959 and 1964. Class 319 were ex-Kriegsmarine minesweepers of M1940 and M1943 design. After WW II these 6 vessels served in the LSU/B. When recommissioned for the Bundesmarine they formed the then so called "2. Hochseeminensuchgeschwader" in Wilhelmshaven. With the date of assignement to the NATO the squadron was renamed in 2nd GE MS SQN (2. Minensuchgeschwader) and the units got NATO hull numbers (29 Nov 1956). Class 319 technical data: 5 units M1940 (1941-1944) Dimensions: 62,30m / 8,50m / 2,80m Displacement: 543/775 ts Propulsion: 2 shaft VTE engines with exhaust turbines, 2 coal fired boilers / 2700 hp / 17,2 kts Range: 4000 nm (10 kts) Armament: 1 single 762 mm, 2 twin 40 mm, 4 single 20mm Crew: 70 px 1 unit M1943 (1944-1945): FGS Seeschlange Dimensions: 67,80m / 9,00m / 2,70m Displacement: 605/821 ts Propulsion: like M1940 / 2700 hp / 16,7 kts Range: like M1940 Crew: 80 px Class members: Name (national Hull marking/NATO Hull No)/ex-Kriegsmarine No/Recommissioned/ Builder FGS Seehund (SH/M178) / ex-M388 / 17 Jul 1956 / Elsflether Werft FGS Seeschlange (SG/M188) / ex-M611 / 15 Aug 1956 / Nederl. Dok, Amsterdam FGS Seelöwe (SL/M189) / ex-M441 / 17 Jul 1956 / Smit, Rotterdam FGS Seestern (ST/M192) / ex-M278 / 15 Aug 1956 / Lindenau Werft, Memel FGS Seepferd (SP/M190) / ex-M294 / 30 Aug 1956 / Rickmers Werft, Wesermünde FGS Seeigel (SE/M191) / ex-M460 / 30 Aug 1956 / Neptun Werft, Rostock The entire class was decommissioned in 1960. Then the vessels were used as accomodation hulks WBM I-WBM VI. The former FGS Seeigel survived even longer. She was converted to a torpedo refit and store platform (Torpedoklarmachstelle II) in 1967 and was finally scrapped in 1973. Sorry to say but I'm rather short with pictures of both classes when in use in the Bundesmarine. I add a few crests of the mentioned squadrons so far.
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Now to a well known class of real survivors ... the 18 units strong Class 320 also known as Lindau-Class coastal minesweepers. Many navies used imported or self built versions of the US Bluebird design. In the Germany these were the Lindau-Class (320) and the Vegesack-Class (321). Class 321 were 6 French built Mercure-Class minesweepers and will be topic in another comment. Part of the first fleet building program the Lindau-Class was named "Küstenminensuchboot 55" at first. (... like the Hamburg-Class destroyers were originally "Zerstörer 55" ... the Köln-Class frigates were originally "Geleitboot 55" and so on) The Lindaus had wooden hull and superstructure. All metallic components were non-magnetic. As seen in "Operation Südflanke 1990/91" they were even in their later years quite successful. This operation was the first German naval out of area mission after WW II. Then a German task group of some Lindaus and support vessels were participating in the mineclearance operation of Desert Storm 1991. 2 units, FGS Fulda and FGS Flensburg, were converted to Class 331A minehunters from 1969 until the mid 1970s. From the end of the 1970s until start of the 1980s the 16 remaining Lindaus were decommissioned for conversion. 10 units became Class 331B minehunters and 6 units were converted to Class 351 minesweepers with remote operated "Seehund" drones to form the so called "Troika" systems. All vessels were built by Burmeister in Bremen-Burg. The difference between Class 331A and Class 331B minehunters are the 2 additional Schottel props fitted in these 331A units (FGS Fulda and FGS Flensburg only). Minehunters Class 331A & 331B technical data: Dimensions: 47,60m / 8,30m / 2,70m Displacement: 390/400 ts Propulsion: 2 Maybach-Diesel, 2 shafts and variable-pitch props / 3940 hp / 16,5 kts Range: 1500 nm / 16 kts Armament: 1 single 40mm Bofors (type 58, later HS 99 KWS) with optic director OGR-7, 2 starters for Stinger manpads (4 Stingers each), 4 depthcharge throwers (later abolished) Sensors: Nav Radar: Raytheon SPS 64 Sonar: Plessey 193M or STN Atlas Elektronik DSQS-11, hullmounted ROVs: two PAP-104 Crew: 43 px Minesweepers with drones Class 351 technical data: Dimensions: 47,10m / 8,30m / 2,80m Displacement: 392/430 ts Propulsion: like 331A & 331B / 3400 hp / 16,0 kts Range: like 331A & 331B Armament: like 331A & 331B Sensors: Nav Radar: Kelvin Hughes 14/9 or Atlas Elektronik TRS N Sonar: STN Atlas Elektronik DSQS-11A, hullmounted Drones: up to 3 remote controlled "Seehund" vessels Crew: 46 px Class members: Name (Hull No)/Commissioned/Converted to/final GE Decomm./Fate FGS Göttingen (M1070) / 31 May '58 / 331B / 11 Sep '97 / 2000: to LV Navy as spares hulk FGS Koblenz (M1071) / 08 Jul '58 / 331B / 22 Jun '99 / 1999: to LT Navy as LNS Suduvis (M52) FGS Lindau (M1072) / 24 Apr '58 / 331B / 26 Jun '99 / 2000: to EST Navy as ENS Sulev (M312) FGS Schleswig (M1073) / 30 Oct '58 / 351 / 19 Oct '00 / 2001: to SA Navy as SAS Tshwane (M1221) FGS Tübingen (M1074) / 25 Sep '58 / 331B / 26 Jun '97 / scrapped FGS Wetzlar (M1075) / 20 Aug '58 / 331B / 30 Jun '95 / scrapped FGS Paderborn (M1076) / 16 Dec '58 / 351 / 30 Jun '00 / 2001: to SA Navy as SAS Mangaung (M1222) FGS Weilheim (M1077) / 28 Jan '59 / 331B / 15 Jun '95 / in display in Naval Museum Wilhelmshaven FGS Cuxhaven (M1078) / 11 Mar '59 / 331B / 08 Feb '00 / 2000: to EST Navy as ENS Wambola (M311) FGS Düren (M1079) / 22 Apr '59 / 351 / 29 Jun '00 / 2001: to SA Navy as SAS Kapa (M1223) FGS Marburg (M1080) / 12 Jun '59 / 331B / 25 May '00 / 2000: to LT Navy as LNS Kursis (M51) FGS Konstanz (M1081) / 23 Jul '59 / 351 / 29 Jun '00 / 2001: as spares hulk to SA Navy; expended as missile target in 2007 FGS Wolfsburg (M1082) / 08 Oct '59 / 351 / 29 Jun '00 / 2001: to SA Navy as SAS Tekwini (M1225) FGS Ulm (M1083) / 07 Nov '59 / 351 / 21 Sep '99 / 2001: as spares hulk to SA Navy FGS Flensburg (M1084) / 03 Dec '59 / 331A / 26 Jan '91 / floating youth centre in Duisburg-Ruhrort FGS Minden (M1085) / 22 Jan '60 / 331B / 04 Dec '97 / 1998: to Georgian Coastguard as "Ayety"; scuttled by Russian army in 2008 FGS Fulda (M1086) / 05 Mar '60 / 331A / 26 Mar '92 / scrapped FGS Völklingen (M1087) /31 May '60 / 331B / 24 Mar '99 / 2000: to LV Navy as LVNS Namejs (M03) In original these 18 units formed 3 mcm squadrons: 4th GE MS SQN, Wilhelmshaven: FGS Paderborn, FGS Weilheim, FGS Cuxhaven, FGS Düren, FGS Marburg, FGS Konstanz 6th GE MS SQN, Wilhelmshaven: FGS Lindau, FGS Göttingen, FGS Koblenz, FGS Wetzlar, FGS Tübingen, FGS FGS Schleswig 8th GE MS SQN, Cuxhaven (since 1960 Borkum): FGS Wolfsburg, FGS Ulm, FGS Flensburg, FGS Minden, FGS Fulda, FGS Völklingen Due to personnel shortages the 8th GE MS SQN was disbanded 15 Jun 1963. So the first 3 units joined the 6th GE MS SQN while the last 3 units became part of the 4th GE MS SQN. In 1977 both squadrons were united in the MC Sqn Northsea (Minenabwehrgeschwader Nordsee). This was an experiment to spare staff personnel which didn't work. So in 1984 this monstrous squadron was disbanded. All 331A & 331B minehunters formed the 4th MS SQN and all 351 minesweepers with drones became the 6th MS SQN. In the mid 1990s the remaining units were merged in the 6th MS SQN. Here some pics of the units and 2 tables showing squadron crests and crests of other (former) units of the then German Minewarfare Flotilla. 1st Table (clockwise to read): - 4th GE MS SQN (disbanded) - GE Navy Weapon Diver Btn (later changed to GE Navy Special Forces) - 6th GE MS SQN (disbanded) - 5th GE MS SQN (now part of the 1st Flotilla) - 3rd GE MS SQN (now part of the 1st Flotilla) - 1st GE MS SQN (disbanded) - centre: crest of the German Minewarfare Flotilla (disbanded) 2nd Table (clockwise to read): - Mine Countermeasure Sqn Northsea (Minenabwehrgeschwader Nordsee) (disbanded) - Minelayer SQN (became part of the 1st GE MS SQN) - 2nd MS SQN (disbanded) - Mineclearance Diver Company (the independant company became part of the GENAVWEAPDBTN) - 10th MS SQN (disbanded) - MCM Task Grp "Südflanke" - 1st Amphib. SQN (disbanded) - 7th MS SQN (disbanded) - Combat Diver Company (the independant company became part of the GENAVWEAPDBTN) - 7th MS SQN (disbanded)
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As mentioned in my previous comment the Lindau-Class wasn't the only US Bluebird version in the Bundesmarine. With gaining experience with the Class 319 minesweepers (MBoot 1940, MBoot 1943) these old warhorses pfoofed to be very worn out. Therefore these veterans were decommissioned in 1960 and 6 replacement units were ordered at Amiot Cherbourg, France. Class 321 / Vegesack-Class (Type French Mercure) Technical data: Dimensions: 44,00m / 8,30m / 2,10m Displacement: 366/388 ts Propulsion: 2 Mercedes Benz-Diesel, 2 shafts, cp props / 4000 hp / 15,0 kts Range: 3000 nm / 15,0 kts Armament: 1 twin 20mm Crew: 40 px Class members: Name (Hull No)/Comm./Decomm./Fate FGS Vegesack (M1250) / 15 Sep '59 / ? '63 / 1975: to TR Navy as TCG Kusadasi (P302, ex-M524) FGS Hameln (M1251) / 04 Dec '59 / ? '63 / 1975: to TR Navy as TCG Kozlu (P301, ex-M523) FGS Detmold (M1252) / 20 Feb '60 / ? '63 / 1975: to TR Navy as TCG Kerempe (P308, ex-M521) FGS Worms (M1253) / 30 Apr '60 / ? '63 / 1975: to TR Navy as TCG Karamürsel (P307, ex-M520) FGS Siegen (M1254) / 09 Jul '60 / ? '63 / 1975: to TR Navy as TCG Kilimli (P309, ex-M522) FGS Passau (M1255) / 10 Oct '60 / ? '63 / 1978: to TR Navy as TCG Kemer (A582, ex-M525) A few days after commissioning FGS Hameln was rammed by a british merchant ship while being berthed at the Schürenstedt Shipyard. Because of the extensive damage she's decommissioned for the time of repair. With FGS Hameln back in commission, 15 Oct '61, the new 2nd GE MS SQN is complete. After only 7 years the whole sqadron is disbanded 27 Jun 1963. This was necessary because of the huge personnel shortage of crews needed for the newer units. All 6 units were laid up in the Naval Arsenal Wilhelmshaven. In the following years the vessels were sometimes activated for mobilizations exercises: FGS Vegesack - 25 Nov '65 until 07 Apt '66 as part of the 1st GE MS SQN FGS Worms - 06 Jul '66 until 18 Feb '67 as part of the 1st GE MS SQN FGS Hameln - 19 Apr '66 until 10 Feb '67 as part of the 3rd GE MS SQN FGS Siegen - 12 Aug '65 until 21 Mar '66 as part of the 5th GE MS SQN With the introduction of the Reserve Flotilla in 1969 the 6 Vegesacks became part of this command. 31 Dec 1973 all 6 vessels were deleted from the list of warships. In 1975 five units were given to Turkey. It was planned to convert the former FGS Passau to an oceanic survey vessel. This was cancelled and the ex-Passau joined her sisters in 1978. In the Turkish Navy the 6 Vegesacks were slightly upgraded with Simrad mine detection sonar in 1989. The ex-Passau paid off in 1998 but returned as a survey ship in 1999, finally. In 1999 ex-Hameln und ex-Vegesack were refitted as patrol vessels. Ex-Worms, ex-Detmold and ex-Siegen followed in 2006. Following picture is the only I have. It shows the former FGS Passau as Turkish survey vessel TCG Kemer. If you've any other pictures of them you're very welcome. Pictures of these units are quite rare.
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Hi Matze Truly a great piece of work and very informative. A must for those interested in MCM work. Mik

Mik very many thanks for your praise. Although there aren't many Germans in this community (don't know why) I want to give a small summary of the GE MCM forces since WW2. Because of leaving to Kiel tomorrow I'll make a comment about Class 340/341 (Schütze Class) fast minesweepers this evening. When I'm back from Latvia comments about inshore minesweepers and mineclearence diver vessels will follow. If you've then not enough read I'll post something about the Eastgerman minesweepers (Habicht, Krake, Kondor etc). Rgds Matze

Now to the replacements of the Class 359 (R-Boats). Abeking & Rasmussen developed a descendant of these units and (in company with Schlichting Yard Travemünde and Schürenstedt Yard Bardenfleeth) built 30 units of the ... Class 340/341 - Schütze Class fast minesweepers. Xmt the non-magnetic steel bow the hulls were made of teak and mahagoni. The cost for each unit was 7,33 millions DM. Although being constructed for a service life of only 15 years the last units served until the mid 1990s. The difference between 340 and 341 were the main engines. While 340 had Mercedes Benz Diesels the 341 used Maybach Diesels. They were capable of mechanic and accoustic sweep and it was possible to tow influence sweeping gear. With 24 knots they were quit fast for minesweepers. The reason is simple. Like the later Class 343 (Hameln Class) their main task in a would-be-war with the Warsaw Pact forces would be laying mines in the entrances to the Baltic Sea and other sounds and belts. Technical data: Dimensions: 47,44m / 7,20m / 2,15m Displacement: 241/266 ts Propulsion: 2 Maybach Diesel (2 x 2380 hp) (341) or 2 Mercedes-Benz Diesel (2 x 2250 hp) (340), two shafts / 24,0 kts Range: 718 nm / 20,0 kts Armament: 1 single 40mm Bofors in type 58 mounting with optic director OGR-7 Crew: 31 px Class members: Name (Hull No)/Class/Builder/Commissioned/Decommissioned/Squadron/Fate FGS Mira (M1050) / 340 / A & R / 22 Nov '60 / 12 Dec '73 / 1st GE MS SQN / converted to private yacht; on sale in Portsmouth FGS Castor (M1051) / 340 / A & R / 11 Dec '62 / 15 Aug '90 / 1st GE MS SQN / 1992 converted to private yacht "Aquarius"; 1998 sold to Greece and reconverted to origianl design and renamed "Castor"; on sale for 1.900.000,- € FGS Krebs (M1052) / 340 / A & R / 21 Jul '59 / 19 Oct '73 / 5th GE MS SQN, later 1st GE MS SQN / 1976 to Naval Comrade Union Datteln; in use as meeting place FGS Orion (M1053) / 340 / A & R / 14 Feb '62 / 16 Oct '73 / 1st GE MS SQN / private vessel; sunk in Rostock 1999; scrapped FGS Pollux (M1054) / 340 / A & R / 28 Apr '61 / 26 May '92 / 1st GE MS SQN / 1998 scrapped in Greena, Denmark FGS Sirius (M1055) / 340 / A & R / 05 Oct '61 / 01 Oct '90 / 1st GE MS SQN / 1999 sold to Aschaffenburg; 2004/05 scrapped in Erlenbach FGS Rigel (M1056) / 340 / A & R / 19 Sep '62 / 29 Mar '90 / 1st GE MS SQN / 1992 private yacht "Across" in Bremerhaven FGS Regulus (M1057) / 340 / A & R / 20 Jun '62 / 28 Sep '90 / 1st GE MS SQN / 1999 sold to Cuxhaven: private vessel "Petite Prince" FGS Mars (M1058) / 340 / A & R / 18 Jul '61 / 27 Feb '92 / 1st GE MS SQN / 1998 scrapped in Greena, Denmark FGS Spica (M1059) / 340 / A & R / 19 May '61 / 30 Sep '92 / 1st GE MS SQN / converted to private yacht; 1995 sold to Greece FGS Skorpion (M1060) / 341 / A & R / 09 Oct '63 / 10 May '90 / 3rd GE MS SQN, later 1st GE MS SQN / 1991 sold and converted to private accomodation boat "MS Marie-Atalanta" in Haarlingen, NL; on sale in Leeuwarden, NL FGS Stier (M1061) / 341 / A & R / 28 Jun '61 / 31 Mar '95 / 3rd GE MS SQN / became mineclearance diver vessel (pennant: Y849, later M1053) of the GENAVWEAPDBTN; 1999 scrapped in Greena, Denmark FGS Schütze (M1062) / 341 / A & R / 14 Apr '59 / 26 Nov '92 / 5th GE MS SQN, later 3rd GE MS SQN, later 1st GE MS SQN / sold to Peenemünde in 1998; on sale again FGS Waage (M1063) / 341 / A & R / 19 Mar '62 / 30 Jun '92 / 3rd GE MS SQN, later 1st GE MS SQN / 1998 scrapped in Greena, Denmark FGS Deneb (M1064) / 341 / Schürenstedt / 07 Dec '61 / 08 Sep '89 / 3rd GE MS SQN, later 5th GE MS SQN / 2000 scrapped in Greena, Denmark FGS Jupiter (M1065) / 341 / Schürenstedt / 30 May '61 / 26 Sep '89 / 3rd GE MS SQN, later 5th GE MS SQN / 2000 scrapped in Greena, Denmark FGS Pegasus (M1066) / 341 / Schlichting / 16 May '62 / 11 Dec '73 / 3rd GE MS SQN / 1974-1979 HDW security vessel; 1979 converted to private yacht; 1989 after problems with the German Customs Service laid up in Wilhelmshaven; afterwards sold to the Dutch youth scout organization "St. Franciscus" FGS Atair (M1067) / 341 / Schlichting / 27 Sep '61 / 30 Jun '88 / 3rd GE MS SQN, later 5th GE MS SQN / 1992 sold to private; 1996 sank in tow enroute to Southampton (but that's not sure ... sorry) FGS Algol (M1068) / 341 / A & R / 27 Jun '63 / 15 Jul '71 / 3rd GE MS SQN / DamConEx hulk in Neustadt i.H.; sold in 1996; 1996/97 converted to private yacht "Independia"; on charter in the Med FGS Wega (M1069) / 341 / A & R / 08 Apr '63 / 15 Dec '88 / 3rd GE MS SQN, later 5th GE MS SQN / 1990 converted to private yacht; now accomodation boat FGS Perseus (M1090) / 341 / Schlichting / 17 Mar '61 / 30 Sep '88 / 5th GE MS SQN / since 1992 private accomodation hulk in Hamburg; 2005 she was so rotten that the Hamburg Magistrate ordered her scrapping FGS Steinbock (M1091) / 341 / A & R / 20 Oct '60 / 08 Mar '74 / 5th GE MS SQN / accomodation hulk of the Naval Youth Wilhelmshaven FGS Pluto (M1092) / 341 / Schürenstedt / 19 Dec '60 / 01 Jul '87 / 5th GE MS SQN / meeting place of the Naval Comrade Union in Hameln FGS Neptun (M1093) / 341 / Schlichting / 29 Sep '60 / 14 Jul '89 / 5th GE MS SQN / meeting place and accomodation hulk of the Naval Comrade Union in Völklingen FGS Widder (M1094) / 341 / Schürenstedt / 26 Sep '60 / 14 Jul '89 / 5th GE MS SQN / 1967: to GeNavUWWeapShool Eckernförde; afterwards drill hulk of the GeNavTechSchool Parow until Dec '04 then scrapped in Denmark FGS Herkules (M1095) / 341 / Schlichting / 09 Dec '60 / 21 Aug '87 / 5th GE MS SQN / 1988 sold and converted to private yacht "Ars Vivendi"; sunk in an Atlantic storm in the mid 1990s FGS Fische (M1096) / 341 / A & R / 12 Jan '60 / 20 Apr '89 / 5th GE MS SQN / 1996 towed to Southampton; converted to private accomodation hulk; now in Shoreham FGS Gemma (M1097) / 341 / A & R / 10 May '60 / 18 Dec '87 / 5th GE MS SQN / private accomodation boat in Wilhelmshaven FGS Capella (M1098) / 341 / A & R / 30 Jun '60 / 08 Feb '74 / 5th GE MS SQN / till 2000 meeting place of Naval Comrade Union Büsum; sold to private; 2004 sunk in Rendsburg harbor FGS Uranus (M1099) / 341 / Schürenstedt / 05 Jul '60 / 02 Aug '71 / 5th GE MS SQN / meeting place and accomodation hulk of the Naval Comrade Union in Trier; 2009 sold to Mr Uwe Bunk (Magdeburg) FGS Schütze and FGS Krebs were tested with Voith-Schneider propulsion but it wasn't successful. So all units, FGS Fische first, got Escher-Wyss props. Class 340/341 needed intensive maintenance and made more often yard refit stays than any other German woodenbuilt units. So some units were decommissioned in the 1970s. The Marinha do Brazil bought 6 follow-ons of this class. Their 340As are named "Aratu Class" and are still in service. Sorry about the "..." in some of the commissioning dates but I didn't find any source refering to them. (filled: 16 Jun 2009) As for my sources ... Publications: Kroschel & Steindorff "Die Deutsche Marine 1955-1985" Official Magazine of the German Minewarfare Flotilla "40 Jahre Flottille der Minenstreitkräfte 1957-1997" You'll read something new when I'm back from Latvia in a few weeks. Cheers to all of you.
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Ahoi again. Sorry for being lazy the last time. The operation 'MC OPLAT 2009' proofed to be quite successful. 96 mines and 1 torpedo were hunted. The Latvian Irbenstrait towards the Estonian border is a bit safer now. Minehunter Passau hunted 1 torpedo and 6 mines (moored and ground ones) ... and used 'only' 21 'Seafox C'-drones for these 7 contacts. :o) As for the participating units: Task Unit 01: LVNS Virsaitis (flagship), ENS Admiral Cowan (ex HMS Sandown), LNS Suduvis, FGS Passau, HDMS Havkatten, HDMS Makrelen Task Unit 02: LVNS Varonis (flagship), LVNS Imanta, ORP Flaming, BNS Lobelia, FS Thetis, FS Sagittaire, FS Pegase --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As announced before the new comment refers about the inshore minesweepers of the German Navy. The inshore minesweeper was the 2nd successor type of the Kriegsmarine R-Boat. The other being the classes of fast minesweepers. As inshore minesweepers it was their task to clear harbors, naval bases and river estuaries. Some of them started their career as naval coastguard vessels (with 'W' hull numbers) in the coastal guard squadrons. Later these were converted to minesweepers and assigned to minesweeping squadrons. In total there were 4 classes of MSIs: 1) NIOBE Class (Class 391 & 392): --------------------------------- Unit / Class / Hull No / Commissioned / Decommissioned / Fate FGS Niobe / 391 / W21, M2661 / 29 Apr 1958 / 13 Aug 1976 / 01 Nov 1964 to MCM Trials Administration (Sperrwaffenversuchsstelle); experienced some conversions; served as trial unit remote controlled simulation sweeping for Troika system, 1969 new hull number: Y1643; after decommissioning sold to van der Veldt, Netherlands FGS Hansa / 392 / W22, M2660 / 23 Jul 1958 / 17 Jan 1992 / 1968 conversion to mineclearance diver vessel (MCD) and assignement to Mineclearance Diver Company in Eckernförde, 1969 new hull number: Y806, after decommissioning sold to Schulz (Aschaffenburg) for scrapping Technical Data: Dimensions: 35.10 / 6.50 / 1.70 m Displacement: 150 / 180 ts Propulsion: - FGS Niobe: 2 MTU MB 12V 493 TY70 diesels (2000 hp) / 2 shafts / 16 kts - FGS Hansa: 1 MTU MB 12V 493 TY70 diesels (1000 hp) / 1 Shaft / 12 kts Endurance: - FGS Niobe: 800 nm (12 kts) - FGS Hansa: 1500 nm (12 kts) Armament: 1 single 40mm Bofors Crew: 20 px FGS Niobe and FGS Hansa were originally naval coastguard vessels (Class 361 and 360) in the Harbor Protection Squadron (Hafenschutzgeschwader) and part of the 3rd Naval Coastguard Squadron (Cuxhaven) but changed to the 2nd Naval Coaqstguard Squadron (2. Küstenwachgeschwader) in 1962. This squadron was renamed to 10th GE MS SQN 01 Jan 1966. Both units were built by Kröger Shipyard Rendsburg. 2) ARIADNE Class (Class 393): ----------------------------- The Ariadne Class consisted also of earlier naval coastguard vessels (former class 362) and together with FGS Niobe and FGS Hansa formed the 2nd Naval Coastguard Squadron. Like their older half-sisters the 8 Ariadnes were converted to inshore minesweepers when the squadron was renamed to 10th GE Minesweeping Squadron in 1966. All eight vessels were built by Kröger Shipyard Rendsburg. Unit / Hull No / Commissioned / Finally decommissioned / Fate 39301 FGS Ariadne / ex W23, ex M2663, M2650 / 23 Oct 1961 / 12 Dec 1991 / sold for scrap to Rasmussen, Denmark 39302 FGS Freya / ex W24, ex M2664, M2651 / 06 Jan 1962 / 05 May 1992 / sold to Denmark for scrapping 39303 FGS Vineta / ex W25, ex M2665, M2652 / 09 Apr 1962 / 19 Dec 1991 / sold to Hanowski Company, Hamburg 39304 FGS Hertha / ex W26, ex M2666, M2653 / 07 Jun 1962 / 07 May 1992 / sold to Denmark for scrapping 39305 FGS Nymphe / ex W27, ex M2667, M2654 / 08 May 1963 / 18 Jun 1992 / sold to Denmark for scrapping 39306 FGS Nixe / ex W28, ex M2668, M2655 / 20 Jun 1963 / 02 Apr 1992 / sold to Hamburg Fire Dept. 39307 FGS Amazone / ex W29, ex M2669, M2656 / 04 Sep 1963 / 09 Apr 1992 / sold to Denmark for scrapping 39308 FGS Gazelle / ex W30, ex M2670, M2657 / 09 Dec 1963 / 02 Jul 1992 / training hulk at GeNavTechSchool Brake, later GeNavTechSchool Parow, later scrapped in Denmark Technical Data: Dimensions: 38.00 / 8.30 / 1.90 m Displacement: 205 / 215 ts Propulsion: 2 MTU MB 12V 493 TY70 diesels (2000 hp) / 2 shafts / 14.6 kts Endurance: 830 nm (12 kts) Armament: 1 single 40mm Bofors Radars: Atlas Elektronik I-band Crew: 24 px Due to the personnel shortage the 10th MS SQN is disbanded and its vessels were transfered to the GE Reserve Flotilla in 1968 (... like the 2nd and 8th GE MS SQNs). The units were cocooned and only temporary actived in other squadrons. In 1974 all units were reactivated to form the 3rd MS SQN in Kiel which lost its Class 340/341 fast minesweepers to other squadrons or decommissioning. 1992 sees the last year of the then 3rd GE MS SQN in Kiel. After decommissioning of all units the staff was disbanded. 4 years later a new 3rd GE MS SQN was formed in Olpenitz. 3) FRAUENLOB Class (Class 394) ------------------------------ The Frauenlob Class was only a slighltly larger version of the prior Ariadne class and consisted of 10 vessels. Again all were built by Kröger Shipyard Rendsburg. As in previous classes the Class 394 contained units designated originally naval coastguard vessels. In this case this class was the same class as their immediate predecessor, meaning with respective conversion Class 362 splitted into Classes 393 and 394. Unit / Hull No / Commissioned / Decommissioned / Fate 39401 FGS Frauenlob / ex W31, ex M2671, M2658 / 27 Sep 1966 / 27 Mar 2002 / training hulk at the GeNavTechschool Parow, later scrapped 39402 FGS Nautilus / ex W32, ex M2672, M2659 / 26 Oct 1966 / 28 Apr 1994 / sold for scrap to Rasmussen, Denmark 39403 FGS Gefion / ex W33, ex M2673, M2660 / 17 Feb 1967 / 27 Mar 2002 / training hulk at the GeNavTechSchool Parow 39404 FGS Medusa / ex W34, ex M2674, M2661 / 17 Feb 1967 / 14 Jun 2001 / hulk at the GeNavArs W'haven 39405 FGS Undine / ex W35, ex M2675, M2662 / 20 Mar 1967 / 28 Jun 2001 / 2001 to Estonia: ENS Vaindlo (M416), decommissioned 2004 39406 FGS Minerva / ex W36, ex M2676, M2663 / 16 Jun 1967 / 16 Feb 1995 / 1997 to Estonia: ENS Kalev (M414), decommissioned and on display in the Estonian Maritime Museum in Tallinn 39407 FGS Diana / ex W37, ex M2677, M2664 / 21 Sep 1967 / 16 Feb 1995 / 1997 to Estonia: ENS Olev (M415), decommissioned 2004 39408 FGS Loreley / ex W38, ex M2678, ex M2665 / 29 Mar 1968 / 28 Jun 2002 / to Estonia as spares hulk 39409 FGS Atlantis / ex W39, ex M2679, M2666 / 29 Mar 1968 / 20 Mar 1995 / since 1999 on display in the German military history museum at Dresden 39410 FGS Acheron / ex W40, ex M2680, M2667 / 10 Feb 1969 / 20 Mar 1995 / sold for scrap to Rasmussen, Denmark Technical data: Dimensions: 38.00 / 8.30 / 2.00 m Displacement: 238 / 249 ts Propulsion: 2 MTU MB 12V 493 TY70 diesels (2000 hp) / 2 shafts / 14.3 kts Endurance: 900 nm (13 kts) Armament: 1 single 40mm Bofors Radars: Atlas Elektronik I-band Crew: 24 px After commissioning FGS Frauenlob and FGS Nautilus joined the 5th MS SQN in Neustadt for work-up. When Naval Base Olpenitz was commissioned 5th GE MS SQN left Neustadt and moved to its new base xmt FGS Frauenlob and FGS Nautilus which became the first units of the newly formed 7th GE MS SQN. All other 394ers were immediately part of this squadron upon commissioning. The 7th MS SQN was disbanded in 1996. FGS Frauenlob, FGS Gefion, FGS Medusa, FGS Undine and FGS Loreley moved to Olpenitz to become part of the newfounded 3rd GE MS SQN together with five Landing Crafts of the Barbe Class (LCU Class 520) and the former FPB/FAC support ship Rhein (Elbe Class 404P) of the then disbanded 3rd GE FPB SQN Flensburg. In 1999 the 5 surviving Class 394 MSIs joined the 5th GE MS SQN again when the 3 remaining GE MS SQNs were mixed with heterogenous MCM vessel types. 4) HOLNIS Class (Class 390) --------------------------- The Holnis Class was a intended successor of the Frauenlobs but this class was cancelled after builing the leadvessel ... FGS Holnis. It was planned to build 30 vessels of this class. 39001 FGS Holnis / M2651 / 31 Mar 1966 / 12 Dec 1996 / given to Estonia as spares hulk Technical Data (as Class 390): Dimensions: 36.90 / 7.40 / 1.80 m Displacement: 150 / 180 ts Propulsion: 2 MTU MB 12V 493 TY70 diesels (2000 hp) / 2 shafts / 16.5 kts Endurance: unknown Armament: 1 single 20mm Radars: Atlas Elektronik I-band Crew: 25 to 27 px Upon commissioning FGS Holnis joined the 1st GE MS SQN for trials. 9 months later she changes to the 10th MS SQN. Prior disbandment of this shortlived squadron she's transfered to Trials Command. There was she converted to a comms trials vessel (Class 740, vessel no 25) and got the new hull number Y836. In this role she served until decommissioning in 1996. Last time I saw the ex FGS Holnis she was berthed at Tallinn Naval Base as spares hulk for the other Estonian MSIs. Hope you liked the small tour through the evolution of the German inshore minesweepers. Rgds Matze
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Well Matze, I for one really enjoyed the 'small tour' - excellent work lad. Mik

Really enjoyed that post Matze and good to hear that the mcm op was successful, been ages since i last did live ops in the baltic. Working in the mcmv workshops in faslane is pretty boring at the moment, never thought i'd say it but i'm starting to miss being part of a ships company! and not being at sea

Thank you Mik. Had to get a few infos before continuing the thread. A rare salut to the German bureaucrats for never clearing their litter boxes. Now and then the 'Bundesamt für Wehrtechnik and Beschaffung' publishs a index off all units which served or are serving in the Federal GE Navy. A pity the PDF is only in German. Hej Dave, with you enjoying yourself in Faslane someone has to do the job ... hehehe. Cheers Matze
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Just posting some photos taken 2 days ago. In the Naval Arsenal Installation Kiel units arrive and leave nearly every day. I'm thinking about to start a 'NavArs Kiel' photo thread. However here are some photos of Class 352 MSCD FGS Siegburg (M1098) and Class 333 MHC FGS Kulmbach (M1098). FGS Siegburg stayed only a few hours but FGS Kulmbach is berthed in NavArs Kiel since about 5 weeks. She's in the same dilemma as my unit. Due to budget cuts and more missions the GE Navy had to delay maintenance refit phases for a lot of units in the last two years. So in the last half year a quite big number of units went to the shipyards for refit and these units are meeting each other in the NavArs Kiel now. Not easy if one knows the limited berthing places and limited number of NavArs employees. Units in NavArs Kiel: MCM vessels: FGS Überherrn, FGS Auerbach, FGS Kulmbach, FGS Bad Rappenau (next week add.: FGS Rottweil) FPBs: FGS S78 Ozelot, FGS S79 Wiesel Subs: FGS U18, FGS U16 Intelligence vessels: FGS Oste, FGS Oker Support vessel: FGS Mosel Now to something completely different ... the pics.
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Me again. Just took a few photos of some lost 40mm L/70 Bofors HS99 standing on the quay. Sad to see them awaiting disposal. Our new gun, the ridiculous small 27mm Rheinmetall MLG, is already fitted.
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nice pictures matze, never knew you were getting rid of the bofors. must admit to having a fondness for Kiel, one of my favourite runs ashore. The RN is in the same state with delayed refits and trying to maintain the units in service with as little money spent as possible

See what you mean about the document Matze, but with limited German, well actually virtually non-existent German it is still reasonably easy to follow. I regret my German is limited to the usual pleasantries - guten tag etc - and the essentials - 1,2 and 3 beers, anymore than that and it is a case of holding up the required number of fingers!!!! Anyway, keep up the good work and I'm sure that others would appreciate a Kiel report on a regular basis. Regards Mik

Thank you Mik. Your knowledge of German language is enough for surviving Kiel Week more or less. :-) Oi Dave, maybe in the next 12 to 18 months all remaining GE MCM vessels will loose their 40mm and get the new toys. As the new gun is already fitted and we had a few Becks and Cpt Morgan & Coke tonight I'm going to add a few pictures. Cheers Matze
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Matze - Is that you in picture number 4??

Greetings Terry, yes ... that's me ... once again beaten by Rum and Becks.

You should post it [or better still one slightly different] in our special thread for our members pictures at the link below! [URL]http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/showthread.php?t=965&page=3[/URL]

Hi matze, nice pics, technical question though, is that gun controlled from the ops room in remote all the time or does it have limited local control? As for the becks, sounds like a great way to finish a busy day during a maintenance period:)

Hi Matze Nice pix but puzzled by the 'clear view' screens on the bridge, take it the port side one was fitted by the 'it's in now and it can stay in whether it is the right way up or not' brigade after a few Becks!! Can we have the next pic plse where you have fallen off the gun due to too many Becks.........!!! Mik

Cheers men! I followed Terry's advice and posted a similar picture in the member gallery. That's a really good question, Dave. As far as I know the gun is remote controlled by a console in the CIC. If a wouldbe target shows up on the MSP 500 optronic sensor (clear view or I-R) this target gets tracked by the MSP console. It's possible to get the distance to target by the MSPs lazer. When that's finished the MSP console transfers the target data to the 27mm MLG console. The gun itself has a own camera on the portside of the cannon. On the pictures this camera is covered by that grey metal protector. I witnessed some MLG shooting on FGS Fulda and FGS Passau and the quality of the MLG console screen is rather poor. Going to ask our weapons PO if it's possible to operate the MLG manually on Monday. Hej Mik! No, that's no fault of us. The clear view window is fitted as it should be. And I've got a fine explanation for it. The 2 clear view windows on the stbside are lower because they're destined for the places of NavRadar/ARPA and helmsman which are equipped with comfortable Recaro shockabsorbing seats while the single upper clear view window on the portside is belonging to the CO resp OOW if they're standing for getting to have a good look outside. Have no newer MCM pics but will continue with mineclearance diver vessels tomorrow ... and maybe the "Kiel thread" (if you want to sea some pics of a 404 MCM support, a 206A sub in drydock, a 143 FPB or a 423 intelligence ship). As for me ... I'm staying on board with my guard pals this KIEL WEEKend. When going outside to smoke a cig I can hear perfectly the sound of thousands of people having fun even if the weather is quite British ... haha.

P.S.: Falling down fm something because of beer? Good joke. :-)

Matze, Dave, Mik I think that the builders had a real sense of the likely manning profile of these vessels and made provision for a bevvy of Little H's to con the vessels from stbd side of course;):D Little h

Thanks for the contribution Matze!!:)

Anytime again Terry. Have a few sometimes funny pictures and more somewhat strange ones*. The real strange thing is that we got a new OOW (OpsO) a few months ago. He's maybe 1.52 m 'high'. Until last year we had another OOW who was 1.53 (when standing). These guys have real problems as OOWs when standing in the nock for bringing the minehunter to its jetty because they aren't tall enough for seeing all. So we took 2 shiny red plastic breadbaskets and laid these in the nock. Therefore small OOWs are sometimes called 'Brotkasten-WO'. * Do you see what I mean? That's our EW PO ... most popular screwer of huge female Danish radio operators. One of his nicknames is 'Sir Drinkalot'. :D
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Thanks Matze, thought the reason for the 'clear views' was along those lines - I must be getting clever in my old age!!! Sympathies for drawing the short straw for the duty weekend - HAHA!! Mik

Re the Dainish radio operators, i can remember doing a stannvaforchan and the Danish ship had a lovely set of blondes on the focsle for leaving harbour complete with their pigtails!:)

Woof, woof...............!!!

When I visited Iceland in 1991 I was "molested" by two large blondes with pigtails in a recently opened Reykjavik club. I literally had bruises all over my bum where they kept pinching me!!:o My other half still laughs about it now - she said I went as white as a sheet!

Although I had "perfect planned" watch duties I was several times to the Kiel Week. Well, I didn't get as far as the Havanna and Jever station but it was nice anyway. Our weapons PO says it's possible to control the 27mm MLG manually in case of emergency but it must be quite impossible to handle it fast enough. Clever navy. But now .... Ahoi M8s! As I'm home again I've the time to continue ... and finally to get UMTS access again. After writing something about Federal German minesweepers and minehunters there are 5 vessels left now. These are the mineclearance diver vessels (MCDs): 1) FGS Eider 2) FGS Hansa 3) FGS Stier 4) FGS Mühlhausen 5) FGS Rottweil 1) FGS Eider (A50, later Y1663) ------------------------------- FGS Eider was an Isles Class naval trawler and first known as HMS Dochet (T286). Built by G.T. Davie & Sons in Lauzon/Quebec it was on the disposal list after WW2. In 1956 she and HMS Fint (T287) were acquired by the Westgerman Federal Navy. Both vessels were recommissioned 01 July 1956. HMS Flint became FGS Trave (A51). Both vessels were reclassified as Class 139 patrol trawlers. In her new roles they were used in fishery protection and mainly for training as units of the Command of Naval Education. A few years later they were reclassified as Class 752 "Minenwurfboot" and belonged to the then independent Mineclearance Diver Company in Eckernförde. Can't say when but with Trave converted into an intelligence ship Eider was reclassified as Class 732 "Minenwurf- und Lichtboot" and transferred to the GeNavUWWeapSchool Eckernförde and got a new hull number. FGS Eider was decommissioned 06 April 1978 and sold for scrap to Schwarting, Brake. Technical data: Dimensions (L/B/D): 164 ft / 27 ft 8 in / 11 ft 1 in Displacement: 545 ts Propulsion: one triple expansion reciprocating engine / 850 hp / 1 shaft / 12 kts Armament: various light guns Crew: 40 px Note: Forget to say that FGS Eider was never a real MCD but a somewhat predecessor to the later MCDs. She wasn't equipped with typical facilities like decompression chamber either. As their was no mc diver platform at this time the divers needed experience and training for operating offshore. Next comment will contain FGS Hansa and FGS Stier.
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P.S.: The last female Danish operator who was victim of our EW PO was as high as wide and ugly as hell. He fell "in love" with her between the containers in the Limassol UN naval base. She was crew member of HDMS Peter Tordenskiold. Always wondered how this girl fitted in such a small and narrow built corvette.

Thanks for the info about Eider and Trave. As far as I know at about the same time that Eider went under the scrappers torch, Trave was sold by your country to the Turkish Navy and was still in existence until a few years ago.

thanks for the info matze, hope kiel week was as enjoyable as ever! I'm back in Faslane this evening, got to put a set of whip aerials on one of the sandowns tomorrow. best of it is the rest of the gear isnt working but she will at least look like she should!

[QUOTE=davep;58651]thanks for the info matze, hope kiel week was as enjoyable as ever! I'm back in Faslane this evening, got to put a set of whip aerials on one of the sandowns tomorrow. best of it is the rest of the gear isnt working but she will at least look like she should![/QUOTE] ye gawds davep does nuffink ever change mate

Hej Dave and Harry, as you mentioned Sandowns here's exHMS Sandown ... nowadays ENS Admiral Cowan. Although wearing unusual dark colour still fine looking. :) She was also participating in MCOPLAT 2009 and visiting Ventspils/LV. I've added a pic of minehunter FGS Passau. Here one can see the awful look of a once well armed Class 333. Bonus pic: Dansk power! :D
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Great picture of the Admiral Cowans - Estonia`s finest! Her motto is - "Ad Omnia Patrus" or something which in English means Ever Ready [sounds like a battery!]

Hi Matze Nice pics havent seen the Passau for awhile, i was on the admiral cowan as a safety number the first time the estonians took her to sea for trials and it was a trial! we were past both forth bridges before they plotted their first position on the chart. but the food was excellent! Harry, the ship could of been fully operational if the planners had half an idea of what was involved in the repair. it wasnt till the maintenance was nearly complete before they actually took an interest in what myself and my guys were telling them, so now the ship is sailing with no hf capability at all till contractors can fit them in.:mad: But at least i've done my bit and earned 8 hour extra leave out of it:D

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