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Can anyone please help me identify this model. My wife has recently inherited it from her sister, and we only know that it was built by their father. He died almost 40 years ago, and it has been like this ever since. He would have worked from a set of plans, but I think it is scratch built. There were no plans we could find in my sister-in-law's house. If we can identify it and find some plans then we can decide what to do with it next. More pictures are available. Thanks in anticipation Steve

[QUOTE=eskimosailor;10129158]Can anyone please help me identify this model. My wife has recently inherited it from her sister, and we only know that it was built by their father. He died almost 40 years ago, and it has been like this ever since. He would have worked from a set of plans, but I think it is scratch built. There were no plans we could find in my sister-in-law's house. If we can identify it and find some plans then we can decide what to do with it next. More pictures are available. Thanks in anticipation Steve[/QUOTE] Sorry, pictures would not upload. Will try again:confused: Steve

[QUOTE=eskimosailor;10129159]Sorry, pictures would not upload. Will try again:confused: Steve[/QUOTE] Failed again. See if this works Steve
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I am going for Cutty Sark Steve ....... look at her on Wikipedia. Dave H

[QUOTE=eskimosailor;10129160]Failed again. See if this works Steve[/QUOTE] That was interesting. For those of you using a Mac. I reduced the image size using the 'Tools' button having opened the picture, and saved it when I had reduced the picture size to something below 1.9Mb, as the forum requires. The pictures failed to upload, and when I looked at them (2 finger click, select 'Get Info') the pictures were still much larger than 1.9Mb. I don't know why, but it's never done that before. Here are the other two. Steve

[QUOTE=eskimosailor;10129162]That was interesting. For those of you using a Mac. I reduced the image size using the 'Tools' button having opened the picture, and saved it when I had reduced the picture size to something below 1.9Mb, as the forum requires. The pictures failed to upload, and when I looked at them (2 finger click, select 'Get Info') the pictures were still much larger than 1.9Mb. I don't know why, but it's never done that before. Here are the other two. Steve[/QUOTE] Oh dear, another cock-up. Don't know what I did wrong this time
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It isn't the Cutty Sark, the deck layout and bow is wrong. Might be a training ship will investigate. Derek

Might be this one, [url]https://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/mantua-gorch-fock/[/url] but not positive. Derek

[QUOTE=caledonia2006;10129172]Might be this one, [url]https://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/mantua-gorch-fock/[/url] but not positive. Derek[/QUOTE] I don't think that's it. The bowsprit in the model is far longer and the Gorch Fock is quite a large ship, whereas my model has the feel of a smaller vessel. I think it's likely to be a well - known ship as my father-in-law was not a naval man and really would have made this for its looks and/or name as a present for his daughter. Thanks a lot for looking. My stepson thinks he remembers it being called the "Lady" something or other, but he's not very sure. Steve

[QUOTE=caledonia2006;10129172]Might be this one, [url]https://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/mantua-gorch-fock/[/url] but not positive. Derek[/QUOTE] I was going to put her forward but there's things that don't match. Steve, does it have to be a named ship? It might be from his imagination?

[QUOTE=TCC;10129188]I was going to put her forward but there's things that don't match. Steve, does it have to be a named ship? It might be from his imagination?[/QUOTE] I am absolutely certain that it would be a named ship. He had no nautical background at all, in fact was ex - army (RHA). Knowing him he would not have embarked on such a project without knowing precisely where he was going, and this is too nicely modelled for him to have made it up. Steve

[QUOTE=eskimosailor;10129190]I am absolutely certain that it would be a named ship. He had no nautical background at all, in fact was ex - army (RHA). Knowing him he would not have embarked on such a project without knowing precisely where he was going, and this is too nicely modelled for him to have made it up. Steve[/QUOTE] The lack of cargo hatches and the extended fo'c'sle with accommodation is peculiar for a merchantman...

Steve, Suggest that you enquire of the National Maritime Museum. The Curator of Ship Models may be able to pin it down. GK

Think it may be the Norwegian Training Ship the 'Sorlandet' the lack of cargo hatches and large amount of deck housings (accommodation?) to me suggests a training vessel. All ships undergo changes during their life so my vary in detail, depending on the date. Derek [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sørlandet_(ship)#/image/File:Sørlandet_in_Oslo_7jun2005.jpg[/url]
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She has a very long poop which indicates that she may have been built for the passenger trade rather than cargo. She bears a superficial resemblance to a colonial clipper. However, the model is unfinished so it is very much a guessing game.

You say that your stepson remembers it being called the 'Lady something'. Could it be the Lady Elizabeth, an iron barque that still survives as a wreck at Stanley in the Falkland Islands.? 'Lady Liz' as she is know in the Falklands was launched in 1879 and ended her working life belonging to the Falkland Islands Company at Stanley. From the photos it looks a possibility. For more information go to: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Elizabeth_%281879%29[/url] There are lots of photos online of her on the sand in Whalebone Cove FI, as she is a bit of a tourist attraction. Janet

The model is ship-rigged - square sails on all three masts. The LADY ELIZABETH was built as a barque (no square sails on the mizzen) and seems to have remained rigged as such during her career. Her poop seems to be much shorter than that of the model.

Have now spoken to number one stepson who says he remembers this hull being made. He thinks his grandfather (my father in law) built it using his Airfix model of the Thermopylae as the example. I cannot find anything on the web showing a deck plan like that, although I believe Thermopylae later became a training ship. Would it have had some additional accommodation added at that time? There is certainly a very large forecastle with a deck house abaft of it, and quite an extensive poop with galleries each side of the forward end, suggesting a large number of passengers or crew (or both) could be carried. Also there seem to be very few working tops for the Thermopylae, I seem to recall her carrying a huge number of sails. Surely you need a working top for each main spar? The thot plickens :D :D Steve

[QUOTE=SASIG;10129233] Could it be the Lady Elizabeth, an iron barque that still survives as a wreck at Stanley in the Falkland Islands.? 'Lady Liz' as she is know in the Falklands was launched in 1879 and ended her working life belonging to the Falkland Islands Company at Stanley. From the photos it looks a possibility. Janet[/QUOTE] Thanks Janet, but I fear not. My model does not have the tumble home around the poop deck which the Lady Elizabeth has. That is the inward slope of the sides above the main deck level which clearly shows on the first picture. Many thanks for looking Steve

The Thermopylae became the Pedro Nunez, the photo below is of the Revell 1/70 kit of the PN. Still does not match the model. Derek [url]http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/misc/sail/nunez-70-jl/jl-index.html[/url]
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[QUOTE=eskimosailor;10129516]Have now spoken to number one stepson who says he remembers this hull being made. He thinks his grandfather (my father in law) built it using his Airfix model of the Thermopylae as the example. I cannot find anything on the web showing a deck plan like that, although I believe Thermopylae later became a training ship. Would it have had some additional accommodation added at that time? There is certainly a very large forecastle with a deck house abaft of it, and quite an extensive poop with galleries each side of the forward end, suggesting a large number of passengers or crew (or both) could be carried. Also there seem to be very few working tops for the Thermopylae, I seem to recall her carrying a huge number of sails. Surely you need a working top for each main spar? The thot plickens :D :D Steve[/QUOTE] The THERMOPYLAE/PEDRO NUNES does not appear to resemble the model. [url]http://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php?detail=14461[/url] As your model seems to be unfinished, the question of tops is moot. Similarly, the bowsprit needs a lot of work.

My money is still on the CUTTY SARK ....... her hull is similar , three masts , the stern and bow [bowsprit] look like work in progress. Like a previous poster I would agree she resembles a Clipper. Should she not turn out to be CS she could be converted to be as near as dammit. Dave H

[QUOTE=caledonia2006;10129519]The Thermopylae became the Pedro Nunez, the photo below is of the Revell 1/70 kit of the PN. Still does not match the model. Derek [url]http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/misc/sail/nunez-70-jl/jl-index.html[/url][/QUOTE] Ah, that's interesting Derek.As Patroclus points out it is an unfinished model, so it is difficult to draw any conclusions from the masts and rigging. The pictures you have posted show the correct configuration for the forward deckhouse and forecastle. However those same pictures show a different stern area, the main deck goes all the way round the after deckhouse. We seem to be getting there :) :) Steve

The following link is to a model of the passenger clipper TORRENS. There are many points of resemblance but I am not claiming that this is the answer! The forecastle deck is not as extensive (although this could have been altered to accommodate more passengers). [url]http://www.dfwelitetoymuseum.com/malcolm-forbes-collection/torrens/[/url]

I have to agree with caledonia 2006. Definitely not the Cutty Sark. The picture is of my model, and the deck layout is completely different. Had a look through my clipper ship books and there was nothing that had a similar deck layout. Frank
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Reinforcing Frank's point here are two photos of the Billings Cutty Sark I made about 20+ years ago, which shows the Yards are totally different. For me the closest you will get is the Norwegian Training Ship the 'Sorlandet', see my posting here dated 8 Dec. for photos etc. Derek
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Hi All To my mind the whole plan of the model is at odds with the plan of Cutty Sark. Compare the drawing with the pics. Mitch Hinde
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When I was building my model of the Cutty Sark I downloaded pictures from their website. I had a look at their website today. Like many other things it has become very commercial, and no pictures of the ship that I could find. Frank
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