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To my great surprise I realise that we dont seem to have any photo galleries for Dutch Warships. As it happens I have a few I have scanned from a rather tatty old book called "The Job and the Tools" which covers the operations of the Royal Netherlands Navy during WW2 as well as the years immediately following. I also have many other pictures of Dutch Warships. As time permits I will add them to this thread. If anybody else has any examples they wish to add then please feel free to do so. ;) This first one is a minesweeper from the Dokkum class called M806 Roermond [1955-1995] after which I believe she was transferred for useage by the sea-scouts, followed by a quaint looking minelayer called Douwe Aukes [1922-1960].
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Somewhat more modern ... ... Alkmaar class minehunter HrMs Vlaardingen during MOST this year. Picture taken from German minehunter FGS Weilheim.
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Thanks for starting this thread Terry. I've long admired the Dutch Navy. If you have a photo of HMNLS Gelderland I'd be very interested. I have a particular interest in her. Thanks, Alan.

Hi Alan thank you for your kind words. I do have some pictures of Gelderland presuming you are referring to the old Holland Class Cruiser although many of them are of indifferent quality. Here are two of the better ones [:o] plus another one showing a pair of Holland Class cruisers taken around 1898 one of which is supposed to be of Gelderland although I am not sure which one! If by any chance it is Gelderland the destroyer you are looking for then please let me know as I am sure I have pictures of her as well. :)
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Thanks for these photos Terry, the last one is particularly fine, in my opinion. It was however the post war destroyer that I was seeking. Sorry for not being specific. My reason for seeking a photo is because the "Gelderland" fixed in my mind what I wanted to do when I grew up. When I was about 12 or 13, the Gelderland visited Leith over one week-end. I lived some ten miles away and I wanted to go and see it on the Sunday afternoon. I couldn't persuade any of my family to come, so Mum told me which bus to get and where to walk from.... It was a wet, windy and miserable day. There were just two or three other visitors, and the crew were notable by their absence. Nobody stopped me as I wandered high and low, and eventually found my way into the engineroom. It was still warm and the atmosphere of damp warmth and oily smells hit me. I realised that this was just what I wanted to do, and as soon as possible! And so I put my school work towards that aim and joined up as a Boy Artificer three or four years later, and never regretted it. Sorry if I have rambled! Regards, Alan.

OK Alan - I think I have some pictures of her on my other external hard drive I & will give it a good look later. On the one I am using I only have these two which are not very good. :o
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Thanks for posting these Terry. Much appreciated. I think perhaps the second photo was taken as the ship awaited disposal? Any idea of the date and whereabouts of the first? Alan.

Dokkum class minesweeper ex-HrMs Hoogeven berthed alongside the Marinemusuem in Den Helder. Pictures taken in August 2011.
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Thanks for posting Lemesos. Does anyone know if the Dutch 'sweepers were built to the same hull design as the RN Ton class? Alan

No matter. The Dutch Wiki entry of the Dokkum class doesn't mind the Ton class. It states that these minesweepers were built with American support in the 1950s. In my opinion that might refer to the American standard design of the 'Bluebirds' like the French 'Mercure' class, which had some influence of Westgermarny's 'Lindau' class, too.

I think the Americans provided the money to the Dutch to enable building of the ships. Brian

Two views of elegant postwar destroyers - Overijssel and Drenthe [ATTACH]126275[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]126276[/ATTACH]
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Tromp (#1 Green collection, #2 unknown source)
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[QUOTE=NABERA;10057297]Thanks for posting Lemesos. Does anyone know if the Dutch 'sweepers were built to the same hull design as the RN Ton class? Alan[/QUOTE] Conways states that the Dokkum Class were based on the British Ton Class and that construction was similar to the British vessels. Eighteen vessels were financed under MDAP and a further fourteen purchased by the Netherlands.

Thanks Patroclus

Terry re your post #4 photo 3. The front one is Ardjoeno and the rear one is Gelderland. Dave

[quote=Darleydave;10057426]Terry re your post #4 photo 3. The front one is Ardjoeno and the rear one is Gelderland. Dave[/quote] Yes Dave - I realise that, I was just referring to the cruisers in the picture and not the torpedo-destroyer because Nabera was looking for pictures that showed Gelderland. [As it happened it was a different Gelderland he was interested in!!]

For information: Post #4 pic 2 - GELDERLAND as German NIOBE 1944 Post #6 pic 2 - GELDERLAND at scrapyard 1994 Post #13 pic 2 - TROMP 29 Mar 1946 Steve

Here's an excellent shot of Heemskerck's High-Angle Control System MK III, harvested from a Dutch navy forum.
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[quote=Foeth;10057480]Here's an excellent shot of Heemskerck's High-Angle Control System MK III*, harvested from a Dutch navy forum.[/quote] A fine shot I have not seen before. Many thanks. ;)

The 'Alkmaar' Class minehunter HrMs Urk in the Persian Gulf, 2001.
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Three pictures - three different types! Destroyer D819 Amsterdam. Cruiser De Ruyter. Carrier Karel Doorman.
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great pics really enjoyed looking at them

Terry, Excellent photo's! Well done to all who have shared as well. Regards Charles

CGRET, davep, and Astraltrader: The Dutch ships of the 1950s had a certain flair and elegance that was not found in many NATO navies of the day. These excellent pictures remind one of that fact. Season's Greetings to all, Brian

Thanks Charles and Brian for your kind comments. Next up is a selection of Dutch Minesweepers and minelayers. Their names can be found by hovering the cursor over each picture. I hope they prove to be of some interest. :)
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Thanks for those Terry. Here is one for the growing collection. Jacob Van Heemskerck as built - a Coastal Defence Vessel Dave
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A superb picture of the training sloop Van Kinsbergen.
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Some more 'Alkmaars': HrMs Makkum (and HMS Walney) in Kristiansand, 2004. [NOTE PICTURE SHOWS HMS RAMSEY AND NOT WALNEY] HrMs Urk leaving Oslo, 2004. HrMs Willemstad during exercise 'DANEX/Northern Coasts 2011' in the Baltic.
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A catch of the Dutch Wikipedia ... Pictures 1 to 4: 'A' class minesweepers HrMs A, B, C & D. Picture 5: 'M' class minesweeper HrMs M1 (ex tugboat Marie 1). Picture 6: 'Dokkum' class minesweeper HrMs Sittard. Picture 7: 'Beemster' class minesweeper M856. (Can anyone provide a name? The Dutch Wiki doesn't hold the hullnumbers.)
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Beemster class minesweeper M856: Bruinisse. American Adjutant class.

Many thanks!

The (very) light cruiser Hr. Ms. De Ruyter and an original Fokker add from a [I]Schip en Werf[/I] publication from 1936.
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Thanks Foeth - there were a few pictures there I had not seen before of De Ruyter. ;) While I am here - a picture of the destroyer Isaac Sweers.
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great pics everyone just a little correction for lemesos, outboard of makkum is actually ramsay. i recognised the crest and pennant number as i was dweo of ramsay in the gulf

[quote=davep;10057924]great pics everyone just a little correction for lemesos, outboard of makkum is actually ramsay. i recognised the crest and pennant number as i was dweo of ramsay in the gulf[/quote] Cheers for the heads up on this Dave. I have accordingly made a note alongside the picture. ;)

A few pictures of the Dutch Cruiser Jacob Van Heemskerck [1940-1970].
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A few others.
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[QUOTE=astraltrader;10057940]A few pictures of the Dutch Cruiser Jacob Van Heemskerck [1940-1970].[/QUOTE] Nice pics, Terry. Steve

[QUOTE=astraltrader;10057940]A few pictures of the Dutch Cruiser Jacob Van Heemskerck [1940-1970].[/QUOTE] An interesting ship. Good to have these pictures of her.

So let's have a few more then :) I think I stole the first two from [URL="http://www.netherlandsnavy.nl/"]netherlandsnavy.nl/[/URL]
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And it was the first two that were well worth seeing! ;)

[QUOTE=Foeth;10057985]So let's have a few more then :) I think I stole the first two from [URL="http://www.netherlandsnavy.nl/"]netherlandsnavy.nl/[/URL][/QUOTE] Thanks. The first one, at Fremantle, is a magnificent view.

The cruiser Tromp at night....
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The rarest view of Jacob van Heemskerck with fitted original 6'' main armament: [ATTACH]126659[/ATTACH]
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[QUOTE=kronserg;10058059]The rarest view of Jacob van Heemskerck with fitted original 6'' main armament: [ATTACH]126659[/ATTACH][/QUOTE] Thank you for that photo which is the only one of her that I can recall with the 150mm guns in place. Some sources maintain that her armament was not fitted when she arrived in the UK. Perhaps this idea arose from her not having her fire control installed?

If she didn't have her name spelled out on the stern I would have thought her to be Tromp :) Thanks!

[QUOTE=Foeth;10057985]So let's have a few more then :) I think I stole the first two from [URL="http://www.netherlandsnavy.nl/"]netherlandsnavy.nl/[/URL][/QUOTE] Nice pics. Photo 1 taken in 1946 and photo 4 in 1942 (as is photo 5 I suspect) Steve

[QUOTE=patroclus;10058060]Perhaps this idea arose from her not having her fire control installed?[/QUOTE] More detailed about FCS on this source: [url]http://www.netherlandsnavy.nl/Jacheem_his.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=kronserg;10058068]More detailed about FCS on this source: [url]http://www.netherlandsnavy.nl/Jacheem_his.htm[/url][/QUOTE] Thanks for that reference. It looks as if the FCS was at the root of the problem. TROMP retained her 150mm guns but from where did she source her amunition?

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