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RN Destroyers: C Class (1943) - World Naval Ships Forums Archive (Page 5)

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cheers Dave, he loved these expressions; we still say "There's a thing" for any expression of surprise...

When I joined Cavendish in 1961 she was part of the 8th DF, on completion of her refit she joined the 21st Escort Squadron and later she was Captain D of the 24th Escort Squadron. These Squadrons consisted of Destroyers and Frigates, both Brighton and Blackpool were 21st ES.

[quote=Big Al;171339]When I joined Cavendish in 1961 she was part of the 8th DF, on completion of her refit she joined the 21st Escort Squadron and later she was Captain D of the 24th Escort Squadron. These Squadrons consisted of Destroyers and Frigates, both Brighton and Blackpool were 21st ES.[/quote] Your photo reminded me we had roughers in the Med. too Al. Once coming back to Malta from Cyprus a gregale was blowing. We had to carry on up to the lee of Scility to turn and come back into Sliema. Shall we say the C's had a rather slim profile?;)
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Photos of the "Cassandra" , Daily Mirror Ship, Last commission 1963-66.
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[quote=frankiedinsdale;1718615]Photos of the "Cassandra" , Daily Mirror Ship, Last commission 1963-66.[/quote] Can you rescan at the highest resolution possible please.

[quote=limeybiker;1718638]Can you rescan at the highest resolution possible please.[/quote] I.ll try but there,s this little Japanese guy in the system who keeps stopping me doing what I want to do ?????
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Is this any better ? I,m having to send these one at a time !
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Frankie, your image in post #4 is excellent. Resolution is spot on and the subject is crystal clear. Well done. I remember this class of ship fondly as my best draft ever (out of ten war canoes) was HMS CAVALIER. Sandy.

Thought Someone may find this amusing taken from the commissioning book 1962-63. Regards Dave
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[quote=frankiedinsdale;1718721]Is this any better ? I,m having to send these one at a time ![/quote] Many thanks for the Great pic, keep up the good work. I have a file naming request. I store all pics alphabetically, so the HMS has to be deleted from the ship's name. Also I use the International standard for dating. Year Month Day, ie 20110730, that way the number always increases. I also put location. ie. StAlbans_F83_Gibraltar_20110806_030.JPG If it is a foreign Navy, I add the country. ie. Saratoga_CVA60_USS_Gibraltar_19580921.jpg

[quote=rumrat;1718752]Thought Someone may find this amusing taken from the commissioning book 1962-63. Regards Dave[/quote] Nice one Dave' Sharon and I have taken up cruising in our dotage, got to stop the kids inheriting. The yanks are notorious for asking personal details at these functions. When they ask what I did for a living, I tell them I was a Purser on the Grey Funnel Line, it usually shuts them up.

[quote=frankiedinsdale;1718721]Is this any better ? I,m having to send these one at a time ![/quote] thats much better frankie ted

Hi All Does anyone have a copy of the Invitation/Menu for the dinner thrown by the Daily Mirror and hosted by columnist CASSANDRA (William Connor). It was in the form of a naval paybook. Saw one many years ago. Mitch Hinde

Great pictures last one was outstanding

[I]I have a photo of Chequers' ship's company taken in 1950 wearing blue uniforms with white caps?:confused: Question - when did we change from wearing blue caps with No.1's to wearing white caps?:confused: [/I]

[QUOTE=Pelican;10036958][I]I have a photo of Chequers' ship's company taken in 1950 wearing blue uniforms with white caps?:confused: Question - when did we change from wearing blue caps with No.1's to wearing white caps?:confused: [/I][/ Was it taken foreign or UK Alan

[I]Sliema creek Malta Alan[/I].:cool:

[QUOTE=Pelican;10036983][I]Sliema creek Malta Alan[/I].:cool:[/QUOTE] We changed in 1956 in the UK. Alan

[B][I]CAPS ~[/I][/B][I] Attached believed to have been taken in first half of 1950. Maybe we wore white caps when foreign in No.1's? [/I]
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[QUOTE=Pelican;10037027][B][I]CAPS ~[/I][/B][I] Attached believed to have been taken in first half of 1950. Maybe we wore white caps when foreign in No.1's? [/I][/QUOTE] You had to look your best for H.M. and Prince Phillip no doubt.I think all foreign commisions wore white caps, Alan

[B]HMS CAVALIER[/B][I] The attached should interest all ex 'C' Class. On Chequers in 1951 Lord Lewin was the flotilla/squadron gunnery officer and made very sure all concerned were up to scratch. Consquently during a summer cruise enroute from A to B a gunnery exercise was carried out including all 4 ships firing a broadside. We had 4 mountings in those days - see attached. Down below in the Wireless Office it scared the s..t out of me - I thought the ship was falling apart. Upon reflection it makes one realise how much work went into the desisgn and testing process. [/I]
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[QUOTE=Pelican;10041825][B]HMS CAVALIER[/B][I] The attached should interest all ex 'C' Class. On Chequers in 1951 Lord Lewin was the flotilla/squadron gunnery officer and made very sure all concerned were up to scratch. Consquently during a summer cruise enroute from A to B a gunnery exercise was carried out including all 4 ships firing a broadside. We had 4 mountings in those days - see attached. Down below in the Wireless Office it scared the s..t out of me - I thought the ship was falling apart. Upon reflection it makes one realise how much work went into the desisgn and testing process. [/I][/QUOTE] PLEASE NOTE: This photo has already appeared on this site before. Here: [url]http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44430&d=1240837532[/url] Please check before you post duplicate photo's.

Hi All News from Warship World. HMS Cavalier will be firing three rounds from A, B and Y mountings on 15 September the first day of the salute to the forties event. Should rattle a few windows round Chatham. Mitch Hinde

Shame its not a broadside though , but hey better that than nothing ....hope its on the news

[quote=ivorthediver;10042036]Shame its not a broadside though , but hey better that than nothing ....hope its on the news[/quote] [I]Actually Ivor if you read the pdf attached to post 210 it is described as a 'broadside' - all three guns firing at the same time.[/I];) [I]By posting the 'improved' photo of Chequers I was trying to illustrate that she had 4 mountings at that time.:)[/I]

[QUOTE=Pelican;10042043][I]Actually Ivor if you read the pdf attached to post 210 it is described as a 'broadside' - all three guns firing at the same time.[/I];) [I]By posting the 'improved' photo of Chequers I was trying to illustrate that she had 4 mountings at that time.:)[/I][/QUOTE] Thanks for that Pelican , but I was referring to single barrel use instead of double barrels that they intend to use on this occasion Look forward to seeing it all the same :D

The firing of the three 4.5 mounts would be great to see wish I could be there does anyone know if the main guns have been fired since she was decomisioned

[quote=ludsie;10043041]The firing of the three 4.5 mounts would be great to see wish I could be there does anyone know if the main guns have been fired since she was decomisioned[/quote] [I] I reckon that these gents will know Ludsie ~ [URL="http://www.hmscavalier.org.uk/"]http://www.hmscavalier.org.uk/ ~ I note that the secretary has an email address.[/URL] [/I]

[QUOTE=Pelican;171345]Your photo reminded me we had roughers in the Med. too Al. Once coming back to Malta from Cyprus a gregale was blowing. We had to carry on up to the lee of Scility to turn and come back into Sliema. Shall we say the C's had a rather slim profile?;)[/QUOTE] Were not the hulls of all the Emergency Programme destroyers identical? En route in company from Inchon to Tokyo in a bitch of a typhoon two US destroyers incurred storm damage and were sent back to Inchon. I was reporting the changeover of the watch on deck to the OOW when the news was received and offered the opinion to him that maybe their ice cream machines had broken down. :) Unfortunately these two tin cans were supposed to visit Tokyo in our company, all the other ships detailed to visit other ports, which meant all the hospitality and entertaining of the city's notables fell upon our Wardroom. The G.O. told me later that things were so hectic that Remy Martin appeared on the breakfast table to ease the pain of some.

"Were not the hulls of all the Emergency Programme destroyers identical?" [I]Yes all 32 were except that the CA's were all rivitted, some CH's were rivitted and some welded and all CO's and CR's were welded. [/I]
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Good Grief , its when you see a shot like that you realise just how stable they were ....can nearly see the keel "gulp"........early tot I think ;)

The CO destroyers remind me that in the Korean war Comus was bombed & a Stoker in A Boiler Room was killed. When I was drafted during the Korean War, it was to Consort but I was just married & wanted to get back to Plymouth. There was another LSM on passage with me who had been drafted to Unicorn, the buzz was she would be homeward bound soon & he wanted to do the full 2 yrs in the East so we exchanged drafts on passage.

There are a couple of shots of our crash boat Charity while on passage to the Far East in 1949 in the Charity thread. She had a fair old roll on as it was the height of the monsoon period and even the carrier I was on flopped about a bit. Ken

"She had a fair old roll on as it was the height of the monsoon period and even the carrier I was on flopped about a bit." [I]Chaplet preparing to 'dive' and a sad foto of Chequers awaiting the knackers yard. [/I]
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[QUOTE=D01Caprice;10043950]Were not the hulls of all the Emergency Programme destroyers identical? En route in company from Inchon to Tokyo in a bitch of a typhoon two US destroyers incurred storm damage and were sent back to Inchon. I was reporting the changeover of the watch on deck to the OOW when the news was received and offered the opinion to him that maybe their ice cream machines had broken down. :) Unfortunately these two tin cans were supposed to visit Tokyo in our company, all the other ships detailed to visit other ports, which meant all the hospitality and entertaining of the city's notables fell upon our Wardroom. The G.O. told me later that things were so hectic that Remy Martin appeared on the breakfast table to ease the pain of some.[/QUOTE] Offered as a follow up. I was chewing the fat with an ex bunting tosser over a few Tigers last night and told him of my comment about the US destroyers having to turn back. He offered that maybe it was more serious than that and that maybe the Coca Cola machine had also given up the ghost. When he carried on to the subject of supplies of Mom's apple pie I called a halt and told him that on about 4 occasions my dear old Mum had sent a huge slab of her bread pudding to be shared with my brother, thankfully messed down the blunt end of the ship while I was at least 200 feet away at the sharp end. It was such a culinary delight that my oppos had as much chance of getting a nibble of it as me donating half my tot.

[QUOTE=Polycell;170958]Not strictly true. But I guess it depends when you were talking about. In my time Submarines and minesweepers WERE in squadrons and I seem to remember when I was on Chaplet in 1961 I was in a destroyer (7th??) squadron! Fred Sorry![/QUOTE] Fred, In 1961 I was in Ulysses and I seem to remember Chaplet being our chummy ship. Could I be right.

"Not strictly true. But I guess it depends when you were talking about. In my time Submarines and minesweepers WERE in squadrons and I seem to remember when I was on Chaplet in 1961 I was in a destroyer (7th??) squadron!" [I]I would just like to mention that when I joined Chequers in 1951 she was leader of the 1st D.F. (destroyer flotilla)[/I] [I]and subsequently we became the 1st D.S. (destroyer squadron) possibly due to NATO coming in to force? Wicki is not always correct but can be a useful guide - we sure had a lot! Now its singletons. [/I] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_squadrons_and_flotillas_of_the_Royal_Navy[/URL]

[B]2 IN A DRY DOCK [/B][I]I thought that those interested in the Class might be interested in the attached? Maybe it was taken for granted in those days but personally I have not seen 2 destroyers in a dry dock before. It is worth thinking about the planning that went into achieving this bearing in mind the consequences if things went wrong! Incidently was it the skipper or the dockyard who took responsibility for drydocking bearing in mind even when a Pilot was being relied upon the skipper was always ultimately responsible for the safety of his ship? [/I]
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Multiple ships in one drydock was common in past years. On 7 Dec. 1941, USS Pennsylvania was in drydock in Pearl Harbor... in the same dock in front of her, were two USN destroyers, side-by-side on blocks (USS Downes & USS Cassin). The dock had been dry, and was partly flooded to minimize damage in case the entrance caisson was attacked. There are also photos of as many as 7 destroyers or subs in one drydock from the WW1 era in the USN archives. I will simply link to their image locations at Navsource (not the actual images), as the site is well-established (and thus likely NOT to disappear), and to save server space by not uploading the public-domain photos. [INDENT]Of course, just as soon as you say this, you find a page that says they are moving files around and don't have the new location linked yet! So I WILL upload a couple![/INDENT] #1: Lake boats show their distinctive sterns at Philadelphia Navy Yard in 1919: O-boats, inboard O-12 (SS-73), outboard O-14 (SS-75), middle boat,N-7 (SS-59) and two other unidentified boats. #2: 8 R-class subs in one dock Mare Island June 1922 #3: N1-N2-N3 & tender Boston Navy Yard drydock 17 April 1918 Note the men on the platform atop the conning tower of the closest sub... no H&S I see #4 Pennsylvania, Cassin, & Downes
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[quote=BlackBat242;10045008]Multiple ships in one drydock was common in past years. On 7 Dec. 1941, USS Pennsylvania was in drydock in Pearl Harbor... in the same dock in front of her, were two USN destroyers, side-by-side on blocks (USS Downes & USS Cassin). The dock had been dry, and was partly flooded to minimize damage in case the entrance caisson was attacked. There are also photos of as many as 7 destroyers or subs in one drydock from the WW1 era in the USN archives. I will simply link to their image locations at Navsource (not the actual images), as the site is well-established (and thus likely NOT to disappear), and to save server space by not uploading the public-domain photos.[INDENT]Of course, just as soon as you say this, you find a page that says they are moving files around and don't have the new location linked yet! So I WILL upload a couple![/INDENT]#1: Lake boats show their distinctive sterns at Philadelphia Navy Yard in 1919: O-boats, inboard O-12 (SS-73), outboard O-14 (SS-75), middle boat,N-7 (SS-59) and two other unidentified boats. #2: 8 R-class subs in one dock Mare Island June 1922 #3: N1-N2-N3 & tender Boston Navy Yard drydock 17 April 1918 Note the men on the platform atop the conning tower of the closest sub... no H&S I see #4 Pennsylvania, Cassin, & Downes[/quote] [I]Many thanks Jon.A. I don't know about Blackbat - more like black cat!:) The point I was making was not so much the number of ships in one dry dock but that each C Class is supporting the other inboard. As far as I can see all 'yours' are supported independantly? Not sure what is going on in your last foto - is the righthand ship deliberately semi careened or has it keeled over?:confused: [/I]

[QUOTE=Pelican;10045039][I]Many thanks Jon.A. I don't know about Blackbat - more like black cat!:) The point I was making was not so much the number of ships in one dry dock but that each C Class is supporting the other inboard. As far as I can see all 'yours' are supported independantly? Not sure what is going on in your last foto - is the righthand ship deliberately semi careened or has it keeled over?:confused: [/I][/QUOTE] It looks to me like there is a considerable gap between the destroyers in your photo, and that we cannot see if there is any "mutual support". As for the 4th photo in my post... I put the date & location, 7 December 1941 in Pearl Harbor, in the main body of the post. The Japanese Navy had just carried out an air attack... perhaps you have heard of it? Here is detailed info about what you see in the photo: [QUOTE]When the Japanese raiders arrived over Pearl Harbor, the battleship Pennsylvania was in the Pearl Harbor Navy Yard's large drydock and therefore was beyond the reach of the torpedoes that inflicted such devastation on four of the fleet's other heavy ships. Though bombers of the second wave attacked her, Pennsylvania was directly hit only once, by a bomb that struck amidships, putting some of her five-inch guns out of action but generally causing only minor damage to the heavily-constructed ship. Also in the drydock, side-by-side ahead of Pennsylvania, the destroyers Cassin and Downes were not nearly so lucky. Several bombs hit on or near them, puncturing their thin hulls with fragments, releasing fuel oil and starting major fires that badly strained their structure. They were further damaged by exploding ammunition and the detonation of one of Downes's torpedoes, which blew a large hole in her midships port side. Finally, when the drydock was partially flooded as a precaution against an attack on its entrance caisson, Cassin came partially afloat and capsized against her consort. The fires caused additional, but superficial, damage to Pennsylvania's bow, and the two destroyers were almost completely wrecked.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pelican;10044726][B]2 IN A DRY DOCK [/B][I]I thought that those interested in the Class might be interested in the attached? Maybe it was taken for granted in those days but personally I have not seen 2 destroyers in a dry dock before. It is worth thinking about the planning that went into achieving this bearing in mind the consequences if things went wrong! Incidently was it the skipper or the dockyard who took responsibility for drydocking bearing in mind even when a Pilot was being relied upon the skipper was always ultimately responsible for the safety of his ship? [/I][/QUOTE] An interesting photo Dave , would be interested as an ex Ch man to know the identity of them as they look like CH's. In response to your question I would venture that once positioned inside the Dock afloat that the ships now became the responsibility of the Dockyard who unlike our Skipper would be the experts in docking down. To drop two simultaneousely would have required them to be same type as they would have to take equal stress to avoid either one canting - a very delicate and clever manouvre. Dave H

[I]Tks Blackcat. Now understand. Yes our destroyers were supported/seperated between one another with the same balks of timber that you see supporting them between the edge of the hulls and the inner side of the drydock. After a good night ashore Jolly Jack would run along these to get back onboard instead of using the gangway.:mad: [/I] [I]I'll attach a couple of Chequers, which I spent 2 years on, to illustrate the situation better. The hulls of these ships were so narrow that they could not sit upright in the drydock unaided. Obviously it was vital to get the balks in the correct position so as not to crush the plates and must have been even more difficult 'getting it right' twixt two ships. P.S. My grandaughter visited the USS Arizona memorial only yesterday and was very impressed. [url]https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=arizona+memorial+hawaii+photos&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=qIR&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&channel=np&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=LB5aUPPHDYqq0AWMj4HIBQ&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=699[/url] [/I]
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Pelican - anything `U can do' - `Peli can' !!!!!!!!!!!!! Ho Hum - feeling `like that' !!! Sadsac (Sadus Sacius) !!

excellent and unseen before pics Dave, would these be in Malta? tim

Ah, like this (pic #1 below, note the 3 destroyers abreast behind the ships in front). However, often the USN used shaped blocks that provided support even partway up the curved underside of the hull. I cannot see much (if any) side-shoring in this photo (#2) of a solitary USN destroyer of the same era in drydock, she appears to be supported by just blocks. And then I'll stop throwing photos of USN destroyers into a RN thread. ;)
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[quote=tim lewin;10045178]excellent and unseen before pics Dave, would these be in Malta? tim[/quote] [I]Yes Tim. Malta 1951 or 52. I took them on the old 126 film using the equally old Kodak concertina camera with the little square viewer on it. David Bailey I am not.:) [/I]

H.M.S.Contest 1958 last commishion in the Med Peter Musselwhite
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they may have been wet and uncomfortable but by God they look the biz dont they; like watching an old Bentley, or Spitfire; very fine picture. tim

Your not wrong there Tim......... looks the business

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