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Thanks Dave. It really annoys me when I hear of people throwing away items of our history that others would always appreciate.

Reams of paper have been covered with the exploits of various submarine operations that stand as testimony to the bravery and skill of the men involved. None that I know of seem to stand out like the crew of the E-7 under Cochrane during their twenty four day cruise in the Sea of Marmora, February, 1915. I quote the second page of a letter written by a fellow who was party to the event. Regards We broke all previous records. Cochrane was absolutely splendid. We went around the Sea of Marmora, leaving a trail of sunk and burning ships. We were the first submarine in history to bombard a place on shore under fire. I think we were under fire about three times a day on average, and penetrated into all sorts of places and destroyed shipping. We even shelled a railway and destroyed two troop-trains.Altogether we sank one gunboat, five steamers (one of 3,000 tons) and seventeen large sailing ships, and hit two trains, one railway embankment and a few villages that fired on us and 'got it in the neck' for doing so. We also dived up to Constantinople and fired a torpedo at the arsenal wharf where were a lot of ammunition lighters. There was a terrific explosion, which shook the boat, although we were one and one-quarter miles away. One day we had a duel with a small gunboat on the surface and drove her off, altho she fired 200 rounds from two guns. After that we were left alone, and everything ran like blazes when we got anywhere near. We had no trouble diving in the Sea of Marmora, but when we came up we had an awful time, as the Turks rigged up all sorts of nets and things to catch us, and we got mixed up in them and also were fouled by mines three times. The reception we got on returning to base was great The whole fleet cheered us madly. Just imagine, all dirty and unshaven, our flag with bullet-holes all over it, our conning tower all dents from bullets, and rusty, steaming through the air and thousands of men cheering us like mad, battleships, cruisers, torpedo boats, transports, and captains leading cheers. I have heard cheers before, but this was the real thing. Poor old Cochranes eyes were full of tears as he saluted to the cries of 'Are we down-hearted?' and 'Well done, E-7!'

Just caught up with this E Class Observation re Post 28 by PETER ; for AB R Ambrose ON - read - ON C/J 1565 Act Sto PO G Hutchins ON K23 (Po) - read - HutchinGs ERA 2nd Cl H Wilson ON M438 (Po) - read - M458 Sadsac

Interesting Danish site regarding E13 [url]http://www.navalhistory.dk/english/history/1914_1918/E13_%20incident.htm[/url] Incidentally, out of interest, many will be familiar with the famous shot of Nasmith's E11 , with all her crew sitting on the casing after their patrol that earned Nasmith the VC. Does anyone know if all the men are, or can be identified ? Concerning another "E" boat, this time E15. As will know, she was lost when grounded, and a number of her crew killed . The Turks taking the survivors prisoner. I have heard that there is a photo of the survivors under guard, just after being taken prisoner. Does anyone know of it..and if so, is it known who the men are? Cheers, Nigel

Awards to Lt Downie ; DOWNIE Basil N N/E Lt. RN 82O050 S/M E.1 British Naval Liason Officer in Russia 26.04.18 Gazetted In British Submarines in the Baltic 1917 DSC At the time of the taking of the Osel and Dago by the enemy, he was obliged to take his boat, which was seriously damaged to Pernaw. He has operated in the Gulf of Riga ever since, and has eventually brought his boat safely through the Irben Strait to Helsingfors. I consider that he has shown considerable resource in difficult circumstances and deserves great credit. DOWNIE Basil N N/E Lt. RN 82O059 S/M E.19 Commodore (S) 15.02.19 Gazetted Destruction of British Submarines in the Baltic 3 - 5 April, 1918 M in D Their Lordships' appreciation expressed of the successful execution of the duties of carrying out the destruction of the British Submarines in the Baltic, rendered necessary by the German advance on Helsingfors. Sadsac

And the award to Mate White ; WHITE John P N/E Mate RN 82O050 S/M C.27 British Naval Liason Officer in Russia 26.04.18 Gazetted In British Submarines in the Baltic 1917 DSC His coolness and unremitting work made it possible for Lieutenant Sealy to work C.27 successfully. Sadsac

Hi. Baltic, Revel. Date is unknown. Possibly, Great war. It is found at a forum "kortic.borda.ru" Bestr regards Alex
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Lovely photo Alec ... have cleaned it up a bit, and although a little of the character may have been lost, it just shows somewhat clearer detail.
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[QUOTE=Alex Shenec;153825]Hi. Baltic, Revel. Date is unknown. Possibly, Great war. It is found at a forum "kortic.borda.ru" Bestr regards Alex[/QUOTE] Hi Alex, that photo shows from our left, E1, E9, & E8, with Gepard or Bars or both forward of the British E Class subs. It was taken late August 1915 or early September 1915. E1 & E9 were fitted with their deck guns around Feb 1916, and they are not fitted here. E1 has yet to have her Russian external torpedo systems fitted, which were done after September 1915. I would be suggesting this photo is not long after E8 joined her sisters E1 & E9 in Late August 1915.

Darren, thanks!

Addition. "White steamship" - freighter "Osiliya". Tug - "Vladimir". Russian submarines - "Bars" and "Gepard". [QUOTE=Alex Shenec;153825]Hi. Baltic, Revel. Date is unknown. Possibly, Great war. It is found at a forum "kortic.borda.ru"[/QUOTE] Best regards Alex

[QUOTE=Dreadnought;128847][FONT=Verdana]There do not appear to be a tremendous amount of photographs of these two E-Class submarines. This (E39E41_1) is an original photograph (not a postcard) in my personal collection, on the rear of which is written, in pencil, that it was taken in Blyth, in 1918.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Blyth was a shipyard and submarine base during both World Wars.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Both submarines were group III of it’s class, designed as an overseas submarine minelayers.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][I]E39[/I] was built by Palmers, Jarrow, launched on the 18th of May 1916, and then completed by Armstrong Whitworth on the Tyne on the 30th. She was commissioned in October of the same year and spent her career with the 10th Flotilla on the Tees, before being sold for scrap in on the 13th October 1921. On the 13th September 1922, on her way to the breakers under tow, she foundered in Watick Bay, Milford Haven. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][I]E44[/I] was built by Swan Hunter, Wallsend, and launched on the 21st February 1916. On the 18th July, she was also commissioned to the 10th Flotilla. She was sold to the South Wales Salvage Company for scrapping on the 13th October 1922.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]The photograph also has written on the rear “HMS Lucia?” This is almost certainly correct as she is listed as the 10th Flotilla Depot Ship in August 1916, under the command of Captain Leonard A.B. Donaldson. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]E39_1: Photograph of [I]E39[/I] on the rocks some 120 metres outside Watick Bay on the Dale side of Milford Haven (date unknown). She was subject to heavy salvage, and although a popular dive today, there is little left of her now.[/FONT] [I][FONT=Verdana]Original source of photograph (E39_1) unknown. No copyright restrictions evident.[/FONT][/I][/QUOTE] By deduction: E39 was Yard No.849 at Palmers, launched 18 May 1916 and completed October 1916 E40 was Yard No.850 at Palmers, launched ??? completed May 1917

E39 Ld 1-12-1914 L 18-5-1916 C 30-9-1916 E40 Ld 1-12-1914 L 9-11-1916 C 1-5-1917

I'm finding a lot of great historical detail and wonderful photos on this forum as a newcomer to the subject. I have a request for help with more information for modelling an E-class. I'd be very grateful if anyone can share or direct me to detail shots or even schematics of some of the finer points of the e-class's structure. Particularly bow & stern and the planes, propellers, and under the waterline material/info also torpedo tubes. In fact more detailed photos or plans of any features would be very welcome e.g. conning tower etc. In particular if anyone knows of any more drydock or in construction photos similar to the excellent one Balticsubs posted, that would be extremely helpful.

First post, Inversions? Welcome. An internet available text contains starboard side line drawings of the three E-Class build groups in 1:320 scale. Google books- Encyclopedia of British Submarines 1901-1955 by Paul Akermann. Patience in uploading the text will reward you with drawings starting on Page 154 Regards

Thanks for the welcome and the great tip Hank, much appreciated :)

Hi. [URL=http://radikal.ru/F/s010.radikal.ru/i314/1105/95/862084737253.jpg.html][IMG]http://s010.radikal.ru/i314/1105/95/862084737253t.jpg[/IMG][/URL] E-19 in Revel, 1915. From a collection A.V. Plotto ([url]http://kortic.b.qip.ru/[/url]). Best regards Alex

Hi Inversions, sent you a PM as i can send you orignal plans al 3 Groups of E Class. Wish someone would make a kit of an E Class, 1/72 scale:)

Does anybody have a photo of these E class boats, all launched on the Tyne. If you have I would be very grateful. I am researching into warships built on the Tyne. E.29 1915-22 E.40 1915-21 E.43 1915-21 E.49 1916-17 Many Thanks Frank Burn

Here is E25 & E26 plans
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Hi Frank, you asked on the other thread about E30, here is my favorite photo of her. The others, no don't have any, may be able to find some, so will get back to you.
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[QUOTE=BALTICSUBS;166469]Hi Frank, you asked on the other thread about E30, here is my favorite photo of her. The others, no don't have any, may be able to find some, so will get back to you.[/QUOTE] Thank you so much, I will look through my Glass plate negatives and see if I can come up with 1 or 2 interesting images. Iam sorry I asked on the wrong thread, Iam new to this forum.

Another photo of E30 plus another one you asked for - E44 taken with E39 and the depot ship Lucia.
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Hi Frank, have tried my best, you have picked some hard boats. I find E43 interesting in that they seem to have reverted to the AE1, 2, E1 to E6 old larger Conning Tower & longer deck casing going aft. These had been reduced in boats after E6 so as to present a smaller silhouette, but I’m sure the crews would prefer the larger CT. E49, I have only seen one of her wreck, but too murky. Years back 2 divers were taken to court due to they were accused of taking stuff from her wreck. These people smear many other decent divers with the same bad name and I wonder how they would feel if someone dug up their families graves for profit. With war wrecks it would not bother me if officially the RN did the same as their intension is honour and placing these items in a museum so we don’t forget the men, (Mary Rose for example), but others who do it for profit or mantle shelf pride lose credit in my eyes.
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[QUOTE=BALTICSUBS;166716]Hi Frank, have tried my best, you have picked some hard boats. I find E43 interesting in that they seem to have reverted to the AE1, 2, E1 to E6 old larger Conning Tower & longer deck casing going aft. These had been reduced in boats after E6 so as to present a smaller silhouette, but I’m sure the crews would prefer the larger CT. E49, I have only seen one of her wreck, but too murky. Years back 2 divers were taken to court due to they were accused of taking stuff from her wreck. These people smear many other decent divers with the same bad name and I wonder how they would feel if someone dug up their families graves for profit. With war wrecks it would not bother me if officially the RN did the same as their intension is honour and placing these items in a museum so we don’t forget the men, (Mary Rose for example), but others who do it for profit or mantle shelf pride lose credit in my eyes.[/QUOTE] I can not thank you enough for these great photos, yes burk and hair were hanged for less frank Burn

Looking for news about the E-29 and also photographs of 12-pound guns which was mounted on it

I am putting this on the E class thread for no reason other than they were the most widely used of the boats in RN service in WW1. The question applies to all boats of all classes. What battle honours were awarded to boats in WW1.

The story of HMS/m E.17 and its conning-tower. E.17, under the command of Lt.Cdr J.R.G Moncreiffe, on 6th January, 1916 was on patrol off the Haak Banks, off the Texel Island, Holland. Submerged, she ran aground, and then surfaced. It was hoped to set course for England, which with luck she may make. However a Dutch Cruiser, the NORD BRABANT hove into sight and it was decided to abandon ship. The crew were rescued by the Cruiser and then sent to the Prisoner of War Camp at Groningen, Holland. Here picture of crew in Groningen Camp (HMS TIMBER). The wreck of E.17 lay at rest on the Banks until 1986, when a researcher for the Royal Navy Submarine Museum, Gosport visited the Texel Island. There he met with the diver Hans Eelman. Mr. Eelman told the researcher of the existence of the E.17 wreck. `Why do you not raise the wreck’ replied the researcher `it is not a war grave, all the crew having been rescued’. Mr. Eelman said that it weighed 5 tons and was of copper. Came the reply `well, if that is so it must be worth some money as scrap and anyway the RNSM may well be interested in acquiring it’. The conning-tower was therefore later raised, and in 1987 the researcher returned to the Island to see and measure it. This was done with Lt.Cdr Brian Head, RD, (Rtd), the Chairman of the Archive Working Party at the RNSM. Photographs were taken (see here), and on return to RNSM were shown to Mr. Gus Britton, the Curator, who expressed the wish to have it returned there. Conversations took place with The Director of the Museum, Commander Richard Compton-Hall, who agreed that it should be `at home’ in the Museum. The tower was transported to the museum, courtesy of Royal Fleet Auxiliary vessel RFA ASTRAKAN. It was then decided to have the tower refurbished and placed on a concrete plinth outside of ALECTO Block at HMS DOLPHIN. This was done (see photo). It was used as a saluting-base for ceremonial duties. Later Vice-Admiral Submarines (VAS) decided he would like more room in the Base and the Tower was removed to a position in the Museum itself. See Photo(s). Crew of E.17 in Groningen Camp. The Tower on the Texel (3) The researcher taking measurements (1) The `head’ of Lt.Cdr Head from inside the C.T (1) Lt.Cdr Head atop the C.T (2) C.T in plinth outside ALECTO Block HMS DOLPHIN (1) The Tower in the Museum (Is that a crew-member peering out of C.T ??) (2) Sadsac
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WOOPS - missed out the `head' of Brian Head peering down the C.T. Silly me !!! Have more such if not too boring. Sadsac
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I have a question about anchors on E-29 on what page it was mounted on the left side or the right

[B] ‘E’ Class Submarines for the Greek Government[/B] In a Memorandum (CP.01202 dated February 1914) by Commodore (S) – Commodore Roger Keyes discusses the difficulties of late deliveries of Submarines from the Vickers Shipyard. In his second paragraph he states: 2. ‘The situation has not improved, and in the light of the recent decision in regard to the 1914-1915 submarine programme, has in fact been seriously aggravated, since in all probability Messrs. Vickers will before long be building four or six ‘E’ Class submarines for Greece.’ He expands on this in regard to the proposed Greek Submarines as follows: 11. ‘It is understood that in the interests of general policy it is very desirable that the submarines, which Greece is proposing to order, should be built in England, and it is noted that Messrs. Vickers have been given permission – to build six vessels to the original ‘E’ Class design, except in regard to the broadside tubes which should be to our design – S.0615/13/25958 of 19th December 1913. This would be an admission that we recognise Messrs. Vickers’ right to manufacture and sell broadside tubes for Submarines.’ 12. ‘It is quite understood that a special concession is being made to Greece, and that their Lordships have decided to give them the benefit of our Submarine experience. The value of this concession does not lie in the design of the submarine, which, as a submersible, compares very unfavourably with contemporary foreign vessels. It is entirely the question of the broadside tube which, rightly or wrongly, we consider infinitely superior to the system of using angle gyro torpedoes adopted by foreign nations.’ 13. ‘It is considered that there can be no question of a Vickers design of broadside tube for submarines. It is an Admiralty secret, with the discovery of which Messrs. Vickers have in no way been associated. It is true that they are manufacturing broadside tubes for the NAUTILUS, and that is some small details the arrangements vary from those manufactured in the dockyards. The modifications are simply the result of suggestions made by Admiralty and Submarine officers, based on experience in the ‘E’ Class.’ 14. ‘Messrs. Vickers have been in no way connected with the introduction or development of these tubes, and are in no position to manufacture broadside tubes which are not a copy of ours in all essential details.’ 15. ‘It is believed to be generally known abroad that our later vessels are fitted with internal broadside tubes, and there can be no doubt that other nations are experimenting in this direction, and will eventually arrive at a satisfactory solution. Until we are satisfied that this is the case, it is considered that under no circumstances whatever should Messrs. Vickers be permitted to build submarines with broadside tubes, or to supply such tubes without the permission of the Admiralty.’ It is noted that as the joint patent holder the Admiralty refused to give Vickers permission the build the six ‘E’ Class submarines for Greece. Supplied by Barrie Downer

Peter and your post above, 81. All this appears in the submarine service pages 241-243, but in more detail.

If anyone is interested here's a couple of photo's of the diesel engines built for E43 & E49 by the Wallsend Slipway and Engineering company at Wallsend on Tyne. The boats themselves were built by Swan Hunter & Wigham Richardson at their Wallsend Yard in 1916 being Yard Numbers 985 and 985 repsectively. Regards Dave
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Cracking photos Dave - superb detail. Thanks for sharing them.

Here's a photo I recently acquired. It shows E 19 during the winter of 1917-1918 in the Baltic. Hope it is of interest. regards Steve
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Hi Steve, i can confirm that is my great grandfather's boat E18 taken on the 13th of January 1916. In the mid afternoon arriving at Reval. It is often quoted as E19, but i have around 5 photos taken of her when she arrived on the 13th. She had to meet the ice breaker Sampo to get back in. Did the photo come from a collection of a crew member?

Hello Darren, I have a chap who is a very interested & knowladgble fellow in submarines, and I have said that you may be able to help each other. Do you mind if I give him your Email address. He is an ex-member of the RNSM AWP as I was. Also add sad news - LtCdr Brian Head has crossed the bar - you may recall that he was the Chairman of the AWP's. RESURGAM Sadsac

Of Course Dennis. I would like to take a minute to thank the Late Lt Cdr Telegraphist Brian Head for the invaluable work he carried out via the RNSM and via his own personal research. He was the resident expert on the WW1 Baltic Flotilla and never hesitated to help me. He happily gave me all he knew, he happily gave me his own time when he showed he all his files re the Baltic Flotilla at Gosport. He will be badly missed by all & i was happy he was given so much pleasure from his sick bed when E18 was found. (Something he thought would never happen in his lifetime). His father knew my great grandfather, mine being E4's signalman 1917/18, & his father being the Telegraphist in E31 at the same time at Harwich. Brian's father was in G5, he was then supposed to go to E49, but illness kept his away. E49 then received Boy Telegraphist Arm, so Brian would tell me the story of how a relative of Telegraphist Arm rang him and quoted, "an Arm for a Head." You won't be forgotten Brian, i will continue your good work. For those who have never read it, Brian wrote a three part series in the Warship books from the 1980's on his father's submarine E31, A GOOD READ. Also those who saw the British version of the HMAS AE2 documentary would have seen Brian featured about conditions on board an E Class boat.

[QUOTE=BALTICSUBS;1726981]Hi Steve, i can confirm that is my great grandfather's boat E18 taken on the 13th of January 1916. In the mid afternoon arriving at Reval. It is often quoted as E19, but i have around 5 photos taken of her when she arrived on the 13th. She had to meet the ice breaker Sampo to get back in. Did the photo come from a collection of a crew member?[/QUOTE] Hi Darren, Thanks for the correct details of the sub in my photo. I purchased it together with other photos (not of subs) on ebay a while ago and the album page had E19 on it (as seen in my post). I'm not very knowledgeable on subs - I'm a 'big ships' man myself. Thanks once again. regards Steve

Hi Steve, no probs, it is surprising how many originals of these photos are kicking around, with this in mind one questions when some organizations claim copyright on them. I also have a good set of originals from a C Class crew member in the Baltic, of which I have seen them under copyright. Seems someone would take a photo, and many of the crew would pay for a copy, so who owns them?

[QUOTE=BALTICSUBS;1727019]Hi Steve, no probs, it is surprising how many originals of these photos are kicking around, with this in mind one questions when some organizations claim copyright on them. I also have a good set of originals from a C Class crew member in the Baltic, of which I have seen them under copyright. Seems someone would take a photo, and many of the crew would pay for a copy, so who owns them?[/QUOTE] Hi Darren, I was always taught (when I worked at the NMM, Greenwich) that the photographer owned the copyright, irrespective of whether they sold/gave copies of their photos to others. In the past, I have purchased slides from ebay and the seller has stated that he is transferring the copyright of them to the buyer when the transaction is completed, so then is no dispute there. Where organisations claim copyright, unless they own the negatives/slides (whether by purchase or donation), then they are doing so illegally, in my opimion. regards Steve

[SIZE=2]Having been involved professionaly in a copyright dispute, may I add my understanding of the copyright issue. [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]First of all, copyright is automatically owned by the [U]originato[/U]r of the work, be it an artwork, music, book, computer program or a photograph etc. What is copyrighted is the [U]expression[/U] of an idea, an idea itself cannot be copyrighted. Copyright is automatically owned by the originator of the work. Only if the originator expressly wishes it, either verbally or preferably in writing can it be transferred to another party.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]If the originator dies before it has been transferred, copyright is owned by the estate, unless the original has been bequeathed, in which case the copyright is assumed to have been also bequeathed land is now owned by the recipient. This bit is open to some debate when the originator dies intestate.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]If you own a photograph, even if it is the only one in existence, you do not own the copyright if it was not expressly stated by the [U]legal [/U]copyright owner, when you purchased it. [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]As an example of this, from my postcard collecting experience, there was a Leeds photograper who worked for a postcard company and left to start up on his own. He shrewdly retained the copyright to all the photographs he had taken and started to sell his photographs under his own name, while the company continued to sell the same photographs acknowledging his copyright.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]I think these days, especially with older photographs, that most claims to copyright aren't valid in law. Crown copyright usually is.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]　[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Please note that this is only my understanding of copyright.[/SIZE]

Thanks Bill & Steve, it is a murky area indeed. But really most book writers using photos do not make swags of Money. Sometimes like that E18 photo it is impossible to nail down the photographer, but the RNSM has copyright on it. Anyway, here is the just released HMS E18 website The E18 website is now up and running hmse18.org

Denbigh Records Office hold the letters of H.E. Heaton can anyone shine any light on this gentleman please: DD/PH/293 contains the following: Hugh Edward Heaton to his parents, Col and Mrs Wilfred Heaton: news of schooldays, holiday activities, naval training and wartime service including service on submarines in Malta and the Dardanelles and a meeting with Churchill, sporting activities, setting up home after his marriage and plans for purchasing a fruit farm after his retirement from the Navy, 1900-32 (260 items). 19 May 1927, New Gunboat Commander Lt Cdr H E Heaton is leaving England tomorrow for China to take command of the Peterel the first of the four new gunboats for service on the Yangtse which are being reconstructed by Messrs Yarrow at Hong Kong after being shipped from England in sections. Lt Cdr. Heaton went to Osborne in September 1905 and was sub-lieutenant on an A-class submarine at Lamlash when war began. Later he commanded submarines in the Dover Patrol. After duty in the Naval Barracks at Portsmouth and in the training ship Impregnable at Devonport, he was executive officer of the destroyer Shark and of the flotilla-leader Campbell and during the last year he has been in the battleship Valiant. 16 Nov 1964 – Times Obituary Commander Hugh Edward Eaton a Deputy Lieutenant of Flintshire and a magistrate collapsed and died on horseback while riding with the Flint and Denbigh Hunt at Cefn near St Asaph on Saturday at the age of 72. He was a Chairman of Flintshire County Council.

Hello PETER, find here such details of Submarine Service of Heaton ; HEATON Hugh E. LIEUT. SEE C.O.Q.C. FROM ... `C.28'. IN COMMAND ... YES `C.28'. APPOINTMENT ... DATE OF JOINING ... 24. 3.18. DATE OF LEAVING ... 20. 4.18. APPOINTED ... ADAMANT `H.1'. B.1. 28. 2.15. 1ST LT. B.11. 31. 8.15. 1ST LT. B.10. 1. 7.16. 1ST LT. B.6. 1.11.16. IN COMMAND. B.7. 1.11.16. IN COMMAND. B.9. 1. 1.17. IN COMMAND. B.11. 1. 1.17. IN COMMAND. C.28. 1. 3.17. IN COMMAND. Sadsac

[B]Hugh Edward Heaton[/B] Hugh Heaton joined the Royal Navy as a Cadet ?. He was promoted to Midshipman on ?. On 15th May 1911 he was appointed to the Armoured Cruiser HMS LANCASTER. In July 1912 he was appointed to the Battle Cruiser HMS LION and, on 6th Jun 1913 he was appointed to the Cruiser HMS BLACK PRINCE (1st Cruiser Squadron, Mediterranean Fleet). He was promoted to Sub Lieutenant on 15th Sep 1913. He joined Submarines on ? when he was appointed to HMS DOLPHIN ‘for Submarine Training’ and on 1st Jun 1914 he was appointed to the Submarine Depot Ship HMS PACTOLUS (at Lamlash) ‘for Submarine A10 as First Lieutenant’. He was next appointed to the Submarine Depot Ship HMS ARROGANT (4th Submarine Flotilla) at Dover ‘for Submarines’ on 4th Feb 1915 (Nominal List) and to HMS ARROGANT ‘for Submarine B1 as First Lieutenant’ to date 4th Feb 1915 (Nominal List). Submarine B1 was transferred to HMS DOLPHIN on 4th Apr 1915 (Nominal List). He was promoted to Lieutenant on 15th Jul 1915. He was then appointed to the Submarine Depot Ship HMS ADAMANT (Special Service Flotilla 1) at Mudros ‘for Submarine B11 as First Lieutenant’ on 31st Aug 1915 (Nominal List). Later, on 7th Oct 1915 (Nominal List) Submarine B11 was transferred to the Italian Submarine Depot Ship HMS MARCO POLO at Venice. He transferred to ‘Submarine B10 as First Lieutenant’ on 10th May 1916 (Nominal List) and then to ‘Submarine B8 as First Lieutenant’ on 1st Oct 1916 (Nominal List). The Mediterranean Flotilla ‘B’ Class Submarines were all ‘Paid Off’ at Malta in late 1916 and, on 1st Dec 1916 (Nominal List) Hugh Heaton was appointed to HMS EGMONT at Malta ‘for Submarines’. He returned home with an appointment to HMS DOLPHIN ‘for Submarines’ on 1st Feb 1917 (Nominal List). His first Command appointment followed on 1st Mar 1917 (Nominal List) when he was appointed to the Submarine Depot Ship HMS ARROGANT (4th Submarine Flotilla) at Dover ‘for Submarine C28 in Command’. This submarine was transferred to the Submarine Depot Ship HMS FORTH (attached to the 9th Submarine Flotilla) at Harwich on 1st May 1917 (Nominal List), to HMS DOLPHIN on 1st Jul 1917 (Nominal List) and then to HMS RESEARCH at Portland 1st Mar 1918 (Nominal List). Hugh Heaton was appointed to The Submarine Depot Ship HMS THAMES at Portland on 1st Apr 1918 ‘for the Periscope School’ and then to the Submarine Depot Ship HMS AMBROSE at Portsmouth ‘for Submarine H1 in Command’ on 1st May 1918 (Nominal List). In December 1918 he was serving in the Submarine Depot Ship HMS ADAMANT ‘for Command of Submarines’ to which he had been appointed on 29th Apr 1918. He was appointed to HMS DOLPHIN ‘for the Submarine School’ on 12th Aug 1919. He was appointed to HMS VICTORY (the Royal Naval Barracks) at Portsmouth on 1st Nov 1919. Hugh Heaton was appointed to the 1,075 ton Torpedo Boat Destroyer HMS SHARK (Commander Frederick A H Russell, Royal Navy) ‘as First Lieutenant’ on 10th Jan 1922. He was promoted to Lieutenant Commander on 15th Jul 1923 and was appointed to the 27,500 ton Battle Ship HMS WARSPITE (Captain G K Chetwoode, CB, CBE, Royal Navy) on 3rd Feb 1926. He was then sent to the Far East with an appointment to HMS TAMAR at Hong Kong ‘for Miscellaneous Services’ on 7th May 1927 and was then appointed to the 345 ton River Gunboat (China Station) ‘in Command’ to date 30th Nov 1927. In July 1929 he was listed without an appointment and, on 18th Dec 1929 he was appointed to the Flotilla Leader HMS MALCOLM (the Flag Ship of the Reserve Fleet) at the Nore to which he had been appointed ‘for Maintenance Reserve Destroyers’. On 18th Jun 1932 Hugh Heaton was listed without an appointment and he was transferred to the Retired List on DTBR. In the January 1935 Navy List he is noted as a Retired Lieutenant Commander. Hugh Heaton was promoted to Commander on the Retired List on ?. He was recalled for further service during WWII. He reverted to the Retired List post War and was still included in the Navy List of Retired Officers in 1957. No further information is currently available. Supplied by Barrie Downer

Dear all, I recently made a scuba dive on the HMS E3 near the German Island of Borkum. Forward on the port side was a hole in the hull and in the hole I located a winch of approx. 45 cm standing in upright position. If I'm not mistaken there was another one just like it close to this winch in the hole. The winch had steel cable wrapped around it and a gear with an axis which connected to a larger gear which in turn connected to the cylinder with the steel cable wrapped around it. The gear initially caught my attention since the brass or copper reflected my light. I did not have my camera with me, but I'm wondering what that winch was used for. On a cutaway drawing of a c-type sub I found that that type of sub has a: Winch speed deck control, Winch deck brake, Winch removable head, Windlass transmission speed deck control, Windlass transmission deck brake, Winch / windlass gears, Winch / windlass internal speed control and a Winch / windlass transmission motor. Anyone got an idea what the winch I saw was used for on the E-type subs?

Dear Sirs, You might have read in the [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/9336020/Found-after-94-years-the-submarine-which-won-two-VCs.html"]Telegraph [/URL]and [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160577/Sunken-treasure-First-World-war-submarine-captains-won-Victoria-Cross-discovered-Turkish-coast-94-years-holed.html"]Daily Mail[/URL] that the wreck of E14 has been discovered. The wreck of E14 lies in 20 m of water about 250 m off Kum Kale. The ship is largely buried at an angle of 45 degress in a 30 degrees sloping sandy bottom, only 7-8 m of the coral-encrusted bow remaining visible. The other visible part is the approximately 2 m of the periscope now popping out of the sand. But the bow shape looks different than E14's archive stills. The reasons of this can be 1 ) Coral growth + sponges 2 ) According witness accounts the sub sank bow first. Hitting the seebed with the bow first might have caused some deformation. 3 ) The sub might have undergone some repairs at the bow before it was sent to the straits. 4 ) Shellfire damage might have changed the appearance of the bow. 5 ) Trawler nets might have taken away the upper plates of the bow changing the profile. Could you please comment on these. I can send U/W images if the moderator allows me to use the attachment feature. Thank you very much for your kind interest. Regards, Savas Karakas

The discovery was reported in The Telegraph newspaper a couple of weeks ago. As well as reporting Lt Cdr Boyle exploits, his VC and the fact he was run over by a lorry and died in 1967, the other salient points were: HMS E14 was located in tact by Turkish documentary makers on the ocean bed of the Dardanelles after a search that began in January. Its location remained unknown until this month when the vessel became the first E class submarine ever to be discovered. A later captain of E14 Lt Cdr Geoffrey Saxon White also won the VC in the Dardanelles. But he was decorated posthumously after being killed by shellfire during an operation in the Dardenelles, which resulted in the submarine being abandoned in January 1918.

[QUOTE=BALTICSUBS;143258] Book too big, if there is any particularpart you would like to see, some part of the submarine. let me know.[/QUOTE] Dear BALTICSUBS, I am writing to you regarding the discovery of E14 off Kumkale in the Dardanelles. Unfortunately the wreck is burried at an angle of 45 degrees and only the 7-8m. of the bow and the 2m. of the periscope is popping out of the sand. We have detected the two torpedo tubes that only second group of E-class submarines had. As this wreck is just off Kumkale and since E14 had two bow torpedo tubes, we are confident that it is E14. But the bow shape is not plough type. Could you let me know the specifications of E14's bow? [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160577/Sunken-treasure-First-World-war-submarine-captains-won-Victoria-Cross-discovered-Turkish-coast-94-years-holed.html[/url] Regards, Savas Karakas

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