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RN Minesweepers: Ton Class - World Naval Ships Forums Archive (Page 2)

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Hi Joseph Sorry our posts appear to of crossed so hope my mail above answers you sir and many thanks Graham

Cheers Graham, Can you post an address for letters, electronic would probably get you more replies. Keep up the good work, are you holding any fundraisers, awareness days etc. Regards Charles. Tim, Thats forum power, I certainly would not think of going to a farm equipment supplier. Regards Charles

Hi Joseph Many thanks for your reply. In answer yes indeed if the moderators don't mind, I will send a mail to them with my postal address ( I think that would be Rick who I send the mail to isn't it?) and if it is allowed to post it I am sure he will let me know. ( I don't mind I am just not sure if there is any legality here or not) As for electronic support they can be sent to my private mail address: [email]graham7760@sky.com[/email] or to the society address [email]hemlingtonnhs@gmx.co.uk[/email] or to the the new address which is been set up exclusively for the Kellington which I have not got to hand but will post later. If anyone does want my snail address I will be only to pleased to supply on the board or by private message until I am told by mod/admin it is OK to post it. Graham

Hi Again Joseph, Sorry Charles. ( I have been correcting that all morning and just realised it is your name I apologies) I also have ton apologies as I forgot to answer your other questions. s for fundraisers or awareness days, There is none planned as yet but hopefully we will be doing so later on yes. I will keep you informed on this Graham

Graham, Message sent, thank you for keeping us informed. Regards Charles

Hi Charles Thank you and acknowledged. It is much appreciated Graham

HI Tim, First I apologies as I did not see this post just a answer which I thought was something different. [QUOTE=tim lewin;14062]GREY PAINT; If this is still of interest a source of Light Admiralty Grey would be your local farm equipment supplier. This is the same color used to paint the Ferguson tractors and accessories. They also do a Dark Ad. Grey but I can tell you the light is as closer match for the standard pussers issue as you might find, its good quality and not overly expensive. tim[/QUOTE] That is actually a great idea and one I had not thought of, I do however know a couple of restores of Tractors, One local to me in Whitby and one in France. I will seriously look into that many thanks Graham

I sold me Fergie a few months ago, it was the 4 cyl diesel and if i spent the time i spent on starting it on cutting the field i cd have done it with nail scissors! The colour was spot on tho (as you can see), I will look in the barn to see if the tin is still there, if not my local supplier was Culverwells at Robertsbridge, East Sx. I think the masker was "Farm Paints" or similar, I think they did/do all the correct old tractor colours. Which make you wonder if the Ferguson factory had an in with the Admiralty in those distant days when they first introduced their excellent little tractor, it went red later when they tied up with Massey... good luck
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Hi Tim Many thanks for that information, If you do still have the tn I would be appreciate of the maker name of paint and if poss color code. (should they have one). I will look up the information you have already supplied and as said Thank you. I can remember as a lad (all those moons ago now) we used to have a static on a farm in Cayton bay Scarborough, We knew the owner well and I used to go with him in the field and do the hay bailing, That picture has brought back many memories. On a side note it looks exactly like the gents who I know in Whitby. Do you renovate as a hobby or just because it was there? Looking at the color it does make one wonder if the Admiralty and Farms had a union somewhere. It would make sense I suppose in many ways. Regards Graham

I will go and look at lunch time; its not really a hobby, i can do it if i have to! i actually bought that one in a restored condition because i needed a little tractor to cut my field but the fuel system leaked fuel out and air in, never a good thing with diesels. I had a couple of the older TVO/petrol ones before which I also sold, its much easier nowadays to hire my neighbouring farmers smallest tractor to drag my ancient cutter round 3 times a year. The hobby part when time allows focusses on the Austin 10, MGB and Reliant Scimitar!

[QUOTE=tim lewin;14089]I will go and look at lunch time; its not really a hobby, i can do it if i have to! i actually bought that one in a restored condition because i needed a little tractor to cut my field but the fuel system leaked fuel out and air in, never a good thing with diesels. I had a couple of the older TVO/petrol ones before which I also sold, its much easier nowadays to hire my neighbouring farmers smallest tractor to drag my ancient cutter round 3 times a year. The hobby part when time allows focusses on the Austin 10, MGB and Reliant Scimitar![/QUOTE] HI Tim Please do not rush my friend any time you are there will do. It sounds interesting and to be honest never thaught of doing a tractor up but the Austin 10 sounds great, I had a maths teacher who drove one of those and loved it. The MG is of course a true classic but my fav there is the Reliant Scimitar, There is something about those cars that is so lovely. I wish I had one . Regads Graham

we could come to and agreement on this! the scimitar is a constant source of entertainment, fortunately not for the forum but i will post you a private msg later about it. Prob put you off for life. The A10 i was given when I was 16 to stop me buying a motorbike, we have grown up. and old, together... sorry I didnt check the paint, work kept me at the desk but I will.. all best tim
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Graham post me your snail address via PM and I will send a letter supporting your restoration as a worthwhile project...

Fine machine Tim!

HI Tim As I said my friend no worry on information just yet, plus if we where ready to start to paint the weather is a bit wet at moment. I will look foreword to the mail though and nice car Astraltrader have sent mail address to you many thanks Graham

Sorry Graham, I must have thrown the can away, it was mostly gone anyway and without the tractor there was no need to keep it! did you get the details from Culverwells or wd you like me to do it? Thanks for kind words about the old car, that needs attention too!

HI Tim Not a problem mate, it is still on my to do list, which seems to be growing more and more each day :-) if you should be going there and don't mind I would be grateful but please don go out of your way . It is not as though I need it tomorrow sort of thing :-) ( I wish I did though ) On a side note by the time I have finished this week I am going to be a specialist and expert on tea and Iroko wood. I have spoken to no less than 12 people now and finally found a company who has experience in the renovation of ships so we may get somewhere, plus he may be able to get Teak:-) ( a bit of a coo at moment that) Graham

I actually have a good relationship with the restoration team at the Cutty Sark, we presented them with a new lower deck which is actually pitch pine (from a Russian sawmill i represent, their boss was very saddened by the fire and came up with the offer next day) so if you need me to ask them for sources of hardwoods for decking, caulking and all that shipwright stuff i would be very happy to do it. They have invited me and the Russians to visit and see how they are getting on when they are next over, whcih as luck would have it is prob between now and end of June, so its a good time to pass me you shopping list! tim

Hi Tim What a great story and a very touching one at that. I will send you a PM with the shopping list, I have been talking to Hans Ng of Brook Bros today, who supplied the upper decking of reclaimed timber for the Cutty Sark, and am due to speak to him again tomorrow. Plus Hans has offered me a look at the wood for the S/C which I hope to manage as I have to come down south in next few weeks for a meeting with a gent in Exeter. Caulking we are really stuck on at moment, I can only find it in small bales and not the 500Kg bails I know they come in to suppliers. But basically anything to do with things like decking and woodwork throughout the ship. I dare not even try to source the Mahogany for the hull plankings. Honestly at the moment any help is a great help I am snowed under with mails and letters and phone calls to ring back etc. Plus the meeting is looming and have not started on the main report yet :-) Thanks again Tim and as I say I will send a PM in the next few days when I have a list to send, Am still working from top of my head at moment and pieces of paper in a muddle not a nice list.

Hi Graham - so what is dragging you down to Exeter!

Hi Atraltrader I really don't know to be honest as it was supposed to say Essex !!!!! But I hope to meet Don Smith from Wivenhoe, and visit the museum come training building. So while I am down I will pop over to Maldon in Essex. as to where I got Exeter from I don't really know. Although I see you are there I suppose I could of popped in to your local and joined you for a pint or two :-) Graham

HI. This is just a quick update for interested parties, Over the past few weeks we have been doing the serious number crunching on costs, when all is taken into consideration and this included replacing the whole deck with Teak (fully FSC and recycled) we can now show any interested parties we can keep the price below the price they quote for scrapping. In fact we have around £50,000 pound to play with for small items andsundry costs if we only had the scrapping value. Unfortunately this does not get the ship back to sea as lifting out etc is still been costed but that will be a lot higher. The renovation and simulator costs in order to turn her back into a training ship of far better quality than she was, is £250,000 . The up to date price of scrapping is £300,000. We were winning on points up to now, now we are winning on all areas. We had a meeting this morning and have decided if we need to leave the Kellington where she is and just save her through preservation and future use, we will try again to get information on the Bronnington. Should there council or representative wish now to meet we can be ready in under a week with all information for them. I will give further updates as and when we get them. Graham

Dear Graham, i was talking with the director of HMS Belfast this morning, they have plans to re-do the quarterdeck, so I asked him about sourcing industrial quantities of caulking and light Ad grey for you. I will prob pop in for a coffee with him on monday morning so hope by then he will have names and numbers for you. Good luck with your efforts tim

Hi Tim Many thanks for that it will be a great help, and I apologies I have not got round to sending you that mail, I will try to get it together over the weekend. Thanks for well wishes as well my friend I will be in touch asap

Hi All Apologies for not been around, Been a bit busy with projects etc. I hope you will be interested in the following update which is a abridged version of the full newsletter, Should anyone wish the newsletter please drop me a line. The Aug abridged version is as follows: Progress report 1. At the end of last month and the beginning of this month we approached 2 maritime agencies, The Historic vessels, and Sunderland Maritime Heritage, We felt they may be able to help with letters of support. The replies we obtained where very favorable. And these have been added to the support letters already obtained. 2. We also approached the Stockton Council water Authority regarding keeping the Kellington where she is and renovating her to a standard to use for training. They quickly blew this out of the water so our original plans to remove her are now the only option. 3. Two possible sites has now been found for the lifting out of the ship both of these sites fall within the Stockton area so all permissions will have to come from them. We hope to be in a position to apply for the permissions through the council by the end of this month. A draft planning permission is been wrote up by our solicitors as we speak. 4. The BBC made a report on a similar project although this was land based. They asked us to put our project foreword. We have not done so as yet but we do have a contact for this. We will also be preparing the news press release and awaiting the outcome of the meeting with the council before sending it to the press. 5. We have also been in touch with the MNTB (Maritime Nautical Training Board) regarding obtaining details certification we require. We have been granted the correct ones in readiness and courses have been prepared in readiness. 6. A dry dock near the Kellington’s position has been secured. 7. A meeting with the Wivanhoe’s museum has enabled us to work out tonnages for the lift. A lot more work needs to be done on this so if anyone can estimate the lightest we can get the ship down to it would be appreciated. 8. We now have a second offer for another long term Berth for the Kellington when work is complete. 9. We are also now in talks with a European Sea Cadets Society regarding sponsorship deals. Several companies have also shown a big interest in this form of backing. Our latest figure for financial backing now stands at £666,300.00 plus possible sponsorship on top of this. This figure has the possibility of been higher if we chose to operate as a charity. And not a non profit making organization as we are at the moment. 10. Full insurance cover has been arranged for the Kellington project. 11. Stockton Council informed us after we contacted them that 6 workers where aboard the Kellington removing litter. 12. as well as the Kellington Project, we have also started talks to obtain a second ship, This ship is a ex RN Survey vessel. An initial viewing was done last week where we also met up with, Don Smith of the Nottage society, Hans Ng of Brooks Bros and Bob Dean of the TCA. The purpose of this second ship is for two reasons, Firstly to show we are serious and not as been suggested just playing around. And secondly in order to have a ship working and starting the all important business base. 3. Where we are with the council 1. We have applied for the follow up meeting to take place in September with the aim of removing the Kellington by end of year. Should you have any questions please contact me through the board here or by personal email. Hope to chat to you all soon Graham

Would the ex-survey vessel be Jonas Hanway or Earl of Romney, Graham ?

HI Ton Class She is the Egeria, which is the Jonas Hanway. Graham

Cheers Graham. Where is she at the moment. Fareham ?

No she is in Portsmouth well close to there.

Excellent progress Graham. Well done!

Hi Terry Nice to see you again, and many thanks. Graham

It appears that HMS Bronington is now in the final stages of terminal decline. Just to recap, she was purchased in January 1989 by the Bronington Trust, a registered charity whose patron, HRH The Prince of Wales, commanded her in 1976. She was initially berthed in the Manchester Ship Canal at Trafford Park, Greater Manchester but was added to the collection of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warship_Preservation_Trust"]Warship Preservation Trust[/URL] at Birkenhead in 2002. Since the Trust's closure in February 2006 owing to the redevelopment of the adjacent Grade II listed former flour milling warehouses, she has remained at Vittoria Dock, Birkenhead in the custody of the Mersey Docks and Harbour Company. The second video below (includes sound) is a particularly poignant 'before and after' illustration of her deterioration during this period. Peter Emery, the Director of the marina and residential, shopping and entertainment development at Gunwharf Quays in Portsmouth (built on the old site of [URL="http://www.mcdoa.org.uk/HMS_Vernon_Master_Page_Frames.htm"]HMS Vernon[/URL]) and a staunch supporter of [URL="http://vernon-monument.org/default.aspx"]Project Vernon[/URL], the monument planned to commemorate the minewarfare and diving heritage of HMS Vernon, has posted this message on the Ton Class Association's [URL="http://users.boardnation.com/~tonclass/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=145"]website forum[/URL] run by Rik: [QUOTE="Peter Emery on TCA website"] I visited HMS Bronington in April 2009 with a view to investigating her condition with the possibility of offering her a berth at Gunwharf Quays as a visitor attraction, cadet training ship, use for the TCA - basically to 'bring her home'. I was truly saddened to see her current unloved condition. I have shot and edited a couple of home videos and posted them on You Tube. I was hopeful that you may be kind enough to post the following links on your website, with the last hope that someone will show some interest and possibly offer a way out from the breakers, which the local council now say is imminent. [INDENT][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_cGaNjqQ_g[/URL] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsZWOGDYMc4[/url][/INDENT] If nothing else, I hope that your members will at least have a chance to see her before her fate is sealed. Her condition is criminal and quite frankly 'official vandalism'. How can this happen to a ship registered as having National Interest?[/QUOTE] There is little I can add to Peter's impassioned plea unless there any rich philanthropists out there looking for a worthy project. [CENTER][IMG]http://www.mcdoa.org.uk/images/Kellington%207%20Apr%2009%20med.jpg[/IMG] [B]TS Kellington 7 April 2009[/B][/CENTER] With HMS Kellington (until recently, TS Kellington for [URL="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/michael.baggett1/page_7.htm"]Stockton-on-Tees Sea Cadets[/URL]) sinking as the result of vandalism and about to be torn apart, there is only HMS Iveston (now TS Iveston for [URL="http://units.ms-sc.org/Thurrock/About"]Thurrock Sea Cadets[/URL]) and the GRP-constructed HMS Wilton (now heavily modified as the home of the [URL="http://www.essexyachtclub.co.uk/index.html"]Essex Yacht Club[/URL] at Leigh-on-Sea) left in the UK to represent the 118 Ton Class vessels once in service.

Very sad to see her like that. If I had the money I would do something about it but sadly...

What a shame ... breaks your heart to see her like that .. brought back a lot of memories

This is only an assumption but surely 'Prince Charles' must be aware of this situation? Has anyone contacted him? I would have thought with his obvious connection to the ship he would be in a position more than anyone else to salvage this vessel. He could perhaps find a berth in Cornwall 'his county' and maybe incorporate the ship into his 'Prince's trust' programme. Help youngsters on the programme go to sea on it, learning all sorts of different skills and who knows some may even end up joining the RN. I'm sure the funds could be raised with his help. Regards Alan

Another class of minesweeper that you don't see mentioned much - maybe because they did not last very long - the RIVERS Here is a photo of WAVENEY at launch stage Fairlead
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Cheers Fairlead. I served on the [I]Blackwater[/I] for nearly two years, teaching the RNR how to operate these ships.

OK ... I've lost a thread or two ... Oldtimers has struck again. I recall a thread on CMS and other minesweepers and someone (alanbenn I think ) posted a pic of HMS Amberton / HMS Clyde M1105. What was the title of the thread ...Arrggghhh ...losing it.

Angus my friend this is why we have a search facility [see top of page] As long as you remember to use Amberton rather than HMS Amberton you will find it easily!! It is the second entry down as it happens but because I am considerate as well as being super efficient then here is a link for you to click on that will take you right to the correct page!! [URL]http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1374&page=7&highlight=AMBERTON[/URL]

Ahhh thank you so much.

She's called AMERTON not AMBERTON. This'll help your search.

I asked for that!! Still reckon I got the right thread though!!!:p

Hi all, first post here. I'm hoping to build a model for my father of the ship he served on, HMAS Snipe (M1102), in the 60's. (formerly the HMS Alcaston until 1961). I contacted a bloke who runs a website on the HMAS Curlew (M1121) and he's given me the phone number of someone in Perth to compare Snipe and Curlew differences. Unfortunately that's all sitting on my work computer and I'm stuck home sick so I thought I might as well keep searching anyway. As well as downloading a heap of photos of the Aussie Ton Class sweepers I've also got these two pics to work from: [IMG]http://users.qld.chariot.net.au/~dialabull/Layout_files/line%20drawing.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://users.qld.chariot.net.au/~dialabull/Layout_files/CurlewArmament_small.jpg[/IMG] Here's the link if anyone wants to have a better look (but I have an inkling most people interested in here may know it already) [URL="http://users.qld.chariot.net.au/~dialabull/Layout.htm"]http://users.qld.chariot.net.au/~dialabull/Layout.htm[/URL] I was wondering/hoping/wishing that there may be any larger scans of some genreal Ton Class plans floating around anywhere that may be available for me to work from? Any help on this would be very much appreciated. I'll also post this in the 'Aussie Sweepers' thread as well, in case it gets missed. Thanks everybody. John D

John, Here's a bigger version of the one you already have ,it's just a general layout of the Ton Class as they were built with open bridges etc.I think that by the time you Aussies got the boat she had been converted with an enclosed bridge. If you don't already know the Ton Class Association have an excellent site the webmaster is Rik Furnival a regular visitor and moderator of this site to. [url]www.tca2000.co.uk[/url] Regards Dave
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Here's a general layout plan for HMS PICTON if it's any use.
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And a sweepdeck view of HMS NURTON (minehunter)
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John, you could always contact the owner of CURLEW. His name is Gary Hamer and his email addy is curlew1121(at)hotmail.com.

Thank you so much to you both, Rik/tonclass and Dave/rumrat!! I hardly expected such great images, let alone so FAST!! Thanks also for the email. I'll be onto that straight away. If you like I'll try to show progress of the model as it goes along. With luck people may be able to pick up on any errors I might be making. Thanks again and it is VERY much appreciated!! JD

John, if you need any photo's of Snipe just send me a PM with your email address and i'll send you some.

Done. Thanks!!

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