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RN Ships - The Victorian Era - World Naval Ships Forums Archive (Page 2)

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[QUOTE=barracuda;109159]Here's a photo of HMS Blake... Regards. Peter[/QUOTE] Interesting photograph. She seems to be under way but she wears no ensign. The flag at the fore looks like that of a full Admiral but the proportions of the cross seem wrong. At the main gaff is what seems to be the Church Pendant!

The photograph of Hms Blake has been removed as it was a duplicated photo....... The same photo appears in high resolution on the 'special warships thread' at post 348. Could I take this opportunity to remind members to do a search before posting photo's, this would have highlighted the photo had been posted previously. Regards Alan

[quote=patroclus;109180]Interesting photograph. She seems to be under way but she wears no ensign. The flag at the fore looks like that of a full Admiral but the proportions of the cross seem wrong. At the main gaff is what seems to be the Church Pendant![/quote] Hi Patroclus, Admiral Flag is correct proportions ... unlike white ensign, the Admiral nad Vice Admiral ensigns are square. Confirm that she is flying the Church Pennant, indicating that the ship is in Divine Service.

[QUOTE=Dreadnought;109277]Hi Patroclus, Admiral Flag is correct proportions ... unlike white ensign, the Admiral nad Vice Admiral ensigns are square. Confirm that she is flying the Church Pennant, indicating that the ship is in Divine Service.[/QUOTE] Thanks Clive - I appreciate all of that but the width of the St. George's Cross on the Admiral's flag is unusually narrow and why would a full Admiral be flying his flag in the BLAKE? I was actually wondering whether it might have been a Church of England flag. The absence of jack and ensign may mean that this is an early morning church and she may be riding to a port anchor.

Hi Patroclus, Right, I am with you now. Apologies if I insulted your knowledge ..!! I must say, that looking at the ensign more closely, it does seem that the cross is slightly narrow. Having said that, I have looked at the construction drawings for the Admiral, Rear Admiral and Vice Admiral ensigns compared with St.George's flag, and there isn't much in it in fact. You are right that the flag is used to represent the Church of England, and in fact some churches are permitted to fly the White Ensign. So who knows what is going on in the picture of HMS [I]Blake[/I]. Maybe someone else will come up with an answer. I attach a blown up picture of the flag on [I]Blake[/I] so that people will know what we are talking about ..!!
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I appreciate that these photo's are not of the usual high quality but you do not come across many of her. Photo 1. Bonetta Iron Screw Gunboat 'Ant Class' launched 20.5.1871 Photo 2 & 3. Bonetta with turret removed and convertyed to a salvage vessel. She was sold in 1909 and renamed Disperser. Lost in 1940
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Thanks Dave I have never heard of her before now!

Partridge - Pygmy Class Composite Screw Gunboat. Launched 10.5.1888 Broken Up 6.5.1913
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An interesting photo of the sloop HMS ALERT, nameship of the class and launched in 1896. Seen here in 1916 as the Depot Ship for the Persian Gulf at Basra. Regards gerry
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Thanks very much Gerry - I have never seen any pictures of that Alert before. appreciated. :)

Terry If you haven`t seen it ,I know its a rare one. Came from a Xmas card which allowed me to date and place it. Regards gerry

Dryad - Torpedo Gunboat (Listed as both Dryad and Halcyon Class) Launched Chatham Dockyard 22.11.1893. Re-named Hamadryad in Jan. 1918 and used in Harbour Service. Sold 24.9.1920.
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Hi saw the photo of Cerberus 13/05/08 thought you might like this one of her wreck in Port Phillip Harbour Melbourne Australia taken in 2007. It's a popular dive site. I presume it's the same ship. Regards, Mel.[ATTACH]84434[/ATTACH]
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Just thought that I would revive this thread as there are a lot of interesting ships in this era. Bustard Ant Class Gunvessel Launched 1871. Tried scanning it 300 and 200dpi but the site wouldn't let me upload it. Dave
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[QUOTE=Darleydave;126402]Dryad - Torpedo Gunboat (Listed as both Dryad and Halcyon Class) Launched Chatham Dockyard 22.11.1893. Re-named Hamadryad in Jan. 1918 and used in Harbour Service. Sold 24.9.1920.[/QUOTE] Dave Another one of DRYAD which shows how cluttered amidships this class was. Regards gerry
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Nice photo of Dryad Gerry thanks for posting it. Dave

Hi Terry I have just been scrolling through this thread for the first time and was interested to see the photographs of HMSs Rattlesnake and Fisgard. T.H. Huxley ("Darwin's bulldog") was surgeon to HMS Rattlesnake, and borne on HMS Fisgard later while he was writing up his research. The ship I am most interested in finding a decent picture of is unfortunately too early for photography - HMS Eclair, later renamed Rosamund. She was a cause celebre (and not in a good way... the Times Digital Archives have lots of material).

If it is in the times Archives perhaps our [QPR] Dave can come up with some information for you?? ;)

Seajane You don't exactly explain what you are after. What dates you are interested in? As you said there weren't any photographs published in the Times in the Victorian age. Dave

Sorry, I was in a hurry and missed out the salient points i.e. dates! Eclair was completed at Woolwich Dockyard in 1844 (launched 1843) and first named Infernal. She was renamed Eclair as more appropriate for escorting the Royal Yacht to Scotland. April 1845 she set off for anti-slavery duty on the West Africa station. By July '45 yellow fever was aboard and by October '45 when she reached quarantine in the Medway more than half the crew (plus several replacement medical officers) had died. 1846 she was renamed Rosamund and saw service on the Cape and Mediterranean stations. 1854 "special service", 1863 a floating factory, and broken up in 1864. As you can see I have all the data - I think somewhere I may even have a plan - but I can't get the feel for what she looked like "for real". Which is why a photograph (if she had existed a little later) or painting would be useful.

The ECLAIR was a steam vessel of the "Driver" Class. The attached picture shows HMS DRIVER entering Sydney Heads in 1846. The rigs of these paddle sloops would have varied and some would probably have been barque rigged.
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Hi SeaJane, The National Archives hold a record in the Gloucestershire Archives - Deeds, Estate, Family and Official Papers of the Sotherton-Estcort Family of Shipton Moybe, the contents of which reads: [quote] [B]D1571/F529[/B] [I]1844-1846[/I] 174 [...] interleaved in vol. [B]Contents[/B]: Letters and newscuttings collected by Thos. G.B. Estcourt relating to son Walter on board H.M.S. Eclair, including correspondence with him on board ship with letters from his family, Miller, Raisinhill & Co., makers of ships engine, 1844, from Capt. Claude Henry Mason Buckle, [D.N.B.], of H.M.S. Growler, from Mr. Raymond, an American missionary in Africa, deaths on board ship, arrangements for sick at Boa Vista, Edw. D.B. Estcourt's visit to H.M.S. Eclair after return to England and arrangement of brother's affairs; from families of dead crew asking for aid; despatches announcing deaths of Walt. G.B. Estcourt and crew, [COLOR=red][B]newspaper picture of H.M.S. Eclair and newscutting concerning fever and quarantine[/B][/COLOR]; appeal to erect monument to Walt. G.B. Estcourt at Portsmouth and unfinished sketch of monument [/quote] Don't know whether this is of interest to you, but you could obviously get hold of a copy of this record, including the picture, if you wished to do so.

Patroclus - you're a star - thanks! I wonder how much noise those engines made.... Clive, I have searched the National Archives no end, but missed that reference, so thank you too. Looks as if an archives trip is indicated. The monument to Walter G.B. Estcourt, captain of the Eclair, was indeed erected (it's in St Anne's, the Dockyard church) and I've seen it.

[QUOTE=Batstiger;12047]Any ideas Terry?[/QUOTE] That is definitely either Warrior or Black Prince, and judging by the erect "bump" on the figurehead I'd put a pint on it being the Crown on the head of The Black Prince. I'm comparing it with the pictures in Oscar Parkes 'British Battleships', page 22. The Channel Fleet regularly visited the Mediterranean for cruises and manoeuvres. I'm delighted to have found this gallery of Victorian ships pictures. I thought I was the only one interested! I look forward to finding the time to contribute from my collection of Victorian Livery warships.

[quote=Attendant;133941] I'm delighted to have found this gallery of Victorian ships pictures. I thought I was the only one interested! I look forward to finding the time to contribute from my collection of Victorian Livery warships.[/quote] I look forward very much to seeing them. In the meantime here are a few more I have chosen more or less at random from pictures and photographs I have stored on my hard drives. The ships shown are [in order] Boscawen, Britannia with Hindustan to left, Britannia, Cambridge with Calcutta, Clio, Defiance, Endymion, Exmouth.
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Followed by a few more.... Foudroyant, Galatea with Challenger, Galatea, Immortalite x2, Implaccable x2, Impregnable x2.
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Then this selection.... Showing the ships: Juno, Liffey, London, Martin, Miranda, Nelson x2, Phoebe, Princess Charlotte, Queen, Refuge, Revenge, St Vincent x2, True Briton, Undaunted, Vernon, Victoria, Foudroyant, Fantome II.
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Two fine cruisers in Victorian Livery.
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Victoria - Battleship Launched 9.4.1887 Sunk after collision with Camperdown 22.6.1893 off Tripoli. 1. being towed from builders yard down the Tyne 1888 2 firing her 16" guns 3. bows shot 4. painting of her
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What a wonderful thread and I didn't even know it was here! I have just found a little gem on post #[URL="http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11655&postcount=25"][B]25[/B][/URL]. Picture 8 is of the 'HMS Royal Oak - Iron Clad' showing her with wind scoops. I've recently searched high and low, courtesy of Mr Google, for an image of a Victorian ship showing the wind scoops without much success. They're rarer than hen's teeth, and here was one all the time in our own backyard... :) Thank you Terry. Missy

A pleasure Missy. As it happens I have many, many more examples I will post as soon as I get some spare time. Unfortunately as a Moderator there always seems to be other jobs that crop up to do, which result in things like this either being pushed to the back or even forgotten. :o

This is one of HMS Rosario, taken in Sydney harbour. She seems to have spent most of her time hunting slave traders in the West Indies and South Seas. A team from [I]Rosario[/I] played the first ever New Zealand International Rugby Union match against a Wellington side in 1870. Bob (Batstiger) also posted one of Rosario in post #32, but his has a single funnel and looks different from this one. As she was built as a screw ship, any suggestions for the missing funnel? [ATTACH]104894[/ATTACH]
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Bill, I have the self same photo as your latest post, Only mines date Australia 1874. So maybe batstigers Picture is of a later class of vessel with same name. Regards Dave

To complement Bills post and to revive this old thread. HMS PARTRIDGE Photo courtesay of the Library of Congress. Regards Dave
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[quote=rumrat;1727361]HMS PARTRIDGE Photo courtesay of the Library of Congress.[/quote] Dave, that's a really good photograph, with some equally interesting British ships under her bowsprit. Any idea of their identification?

[QUOTE=emason;1727353]This is one of HMS Rosario, taken in Sydney harbour. She seems to have spent most of her time hunting slave traders in the West Indies and South Seas. A team from [I]Rosario[/I] played the first ever New Zealand International Rugby Union match against a Wellington side in 1870. Bob (Batstiger) also posted one of Rosario in post #32, but his has a single funnel and looks different from this one. As she was built as a screw ship, any suggestions for the missing funnel? [ATTACH]104894[/ATTACH][/QUOTE] Those early screw ships had a telescopic funnels. Best regards, Kris.

[quote=Creese;1727383]Those early screw ships had a telescopic funnels. Best regards, Kris.[/quote] Thanks Kris, that would explain it.

[QUOTE=emason;1727353]This is one of HMS Rosario, taken in Sydney harbour. She seems to have spent most of her time hunting slave traders in the West Indies and South Seas. A team from [I]Rosario[/I] played the first ever New Zealand International Rugby Union match against a Wellington side in 1870. Bob (Batstiger) also posted one of Rosario in post #32, but his has a single funnel and looks different from this one. As she was built as a screw ship, any suggestions for the missing funnel? [ATTACH]104894[/ATTACH][/QUOTE] These sloops of the "Rosario" Class (1860) had one telescopic funnel. The ROSARIO in Batstiger's post 32 is a ship of the 1898 class with one fixed funnel.

Bill, I can't say with any accuracy who was there or not but these vessels are all from the same photographer and presumably taken at the same time and the same place,Off New York 1909. If you want anymore Bill send me your e-mail address and i'll e-mail them to you as there are too many to post individually. All from the Libraray of Congress Regards Dave
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[QUOTE=rumrat;1727402]Bill, I can't say with any accuracy who was there or not but these vessels are all from the same photographer and presumably taken at the same time and the same place,Off New York 1909. If you want anymore Bill send me your e-mail address and i'll e-mail them to you as there are too many to post individually. All from the Libraray of Congress Regards Dave[/QUOTE] Interesting photos but they cannot all have been taken at the same time as 2 and 7 had been sold out of the service before 5 was commissioned. The paintwork also tells a story. What is the flag at DRAKE's main truck? (It is not the VOC; but perhaps another Dutch East India Company flag?). I presume that the occasion is the Hudson-Fulton celebrations at New York in 1909. The INFLEXIBLE was also there along with a few other cruisers, including the DUKE OF EDINBURGH. That photo of DRAKE is a very good one (bearing in mind that I know next to nothing about photography).

Patroclus, Your probably right about dates ect i was thinking that at the time i was writing the post. I was only going by what was written on the Congress website anyway. Regards Dave
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[QUOTE=patroclus;1727425][...] What is the flag at DRAKE's main truck? (It is not the VOC; but perhaps another Dutch East India Company flag?). I presume that the occasion is the Hudson-Fulton celebrations at New York in 1909. [...][/QUOTE] It looks like the official flag of the Hudson-Fulton Celebration Commission (presumably being worn in honour of the event). The flag is described in the official programme as follows: 'FLAG.— The official flag consists of a horizontal tri-color of orange, white and light blue, reading from top to bottom. In the middle of the white stripe, within a green wreath, are the initials "HF" in red. The orange, white and blue are the Dutch colors under which Hudson sailed in 1609.' The full text of the official programme can be found at [url]http://www.archive.org/stream/officialprogramh00huds/officialprogramh00huds_djvu.txt[/url] Ted

[QUOTE=rumrat;1727460]Patroclus, Your probably right about dates ect i was thinking that at the time i was writing the post. I was only going by what was written on the Congress website anyway. Regards Dave[/QUOTE] That's an excellent profile of [i]Inflexible[/i] that almost slipped in under the radar (mine at least!).

Nice lot of information there Ted here's the RN Contingent Taken from your great post. INFLEXIBLE DRAKE DUKE OF EDINBURGH ARGYLL Regards Dave

ARGYLL Library of Congress Dave
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[QUOTE=rumrat;1727460]Patroclus, Your probably right about dates ect i was thinking that at the time i was writing the post. I was only going by what was written on the Congress website anyway. Regards Dave[/QUOTE] Still on the subject of flags, Admiral of the Fleet Sir Edward Seymour, whose Union Flag is flying at INFLEXIBLE's main, maintained that it was the first occasion since the Duke of Clarence in 1814 that an AOF had flown his flag at sea.

[QUOTE=mandrake079;1727464]It looks like the official flag of the Hudson-Fulton Celebration Commission (presumably being worn in honour of the event). The flag is described in the official programme as follows: 'FLAG.— The official flag consists of a horizontal tri-color of orange, white and light blue, reading from top to bottom. In the middle of the white stripe, within a green wreath, are the initials "HF" in red. The orange, white and blue are the Dutch colors under which Hudson sailed in 1609.' Ted[/QUOTE] Thanks, Ted. I should have thought of that but I was diverted by the fact that Henry Hudson's ship belonged to the Amsterdam Chamber of the Dutch East India Company.

[quote=rumrat;1727402]Bill, I can't say with any accuracy who was there or not but these vessels are all from the same photographer and presumably taken at the same time and the same place,Off New York 1909. If you want anymore Bill send me your e-mail address and i'll e-mail them to you as there are too many to post individually. All from the Libraray of Congress Regards Dave[/quote] Thank you Dave, all really good photographs.

They are all very good photographs Dave however I have just realised that they should not be in this thread as they all date from well after 1901! If it is alright with you I will move them to a more appropriate berth in a few days once everyone has seen them.

A Bows on shot of Hood. Dave
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