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[QUOTE=ivorthediver;10109090]This will give you a better idea of space limitation in a greyhound hull like Manxman 1/ view of original superstructure above 2/ ditto slightly different angle also with new main deck prior to fixing 3/ opposite end . Once secured I will go about the repaint tasks , but final check of all circuits . Cant wire up original Aldiss lights as I have no where left to fit the relay switch box in :([/QUOTE] Great ..... great images Ivor.;);) It's amazing how you fit all that electro-wizardry into a pencil slim hull.;):cool: Very impressed with the "Red Admar" gun deck, it looks absolutely original. Me? .... I never aspired to being anything more than a two-channel modeller, so the content of MANXMAN's hull leaves me gobsmacked.:cool: Keep up the great work mate. Sandy. (Electronically challenged).:D

Well in answer to that comment Sandy .....it was the tech help supplied by who is now a friend who has now sold his company to Component .shop dear old Dave Milburn . It has been a long and on occasions expensive road , but with his help advice and patience he has both encouraged and helped me . At one point he advised me to buy a book on" Electricory "so that I could get to grips on what he thought was common knowledge .....WRONG ....but a lot wiser now and able to sort most of the issues out . The look on peoples face [ and fisherman] as it passes them sending out echo location and engine nosies has to be seen to be believed .:D[ helped by a 10w sound amp ;) Model boats has certainly pushed both my patience limits and thought process as against Aero modelling which in my youth was my bag , but had to give up due to very young children

Well today was a bloody disaster, having spent the last two days testing tidying up and finally fitting the new rear main deck ,, today I sanded it all down ready for painting . Got the compressor fired up and then the wind caught the model which was sat quite happily on a shelf .....and bounced it off the patio :mad::mad: This caused the port side bilge keel to shatter and pull some of the fixing pins through the hull , distort the forward superstructure and loosen all the fitting , and just for good measure split the new rear top deck in two places from the edge through to the hold access edge . The bow now has a large chunk of it flattened at the base of the flagstaff . The moral to this tale .......dont work outside in the sunshine ......stay in the workshop .....................Wish I had stayed in bed now :mad: Still on the good side Troubridge is finished but worried about taking her down to the lake tomorrow incase it sinks :eek: Still thought everything was going to well .....and should have gone out for walk :(

Chin up Ivor, I am sure you will sort her out after this set back. They say that we learn by our mistakes, but it is frustrating to learn the hard way:( Jim

Ivor, commiserations mate, I really know the feeling and appreciate just how you feel at present.:eek: This is Murphy's Law at its damndest.:( However, these things are sent to try us from time to time and the best we can do is overcome the situation and be better for it. It's a setback Ivor, but not something that is insurmountable. Especially for you, with your skills, attention to detail and your sheer doggedness. Don't forget that you have the support of the lovely Karen. Persevere my friend... persevere. And if I can be of any assistance, please let me know.;) Sandy.

Thanks Lads , and Missy , cleaned up the damage to the new deck and refitted it where cracked by fall , hope to get on with the port Bilge keel repairs soon .:o Always the same .....as soon as you make headway you fall backwards ....:( No point in crying about it just get on with it ...again :rolleyes:

Hey mate ..... there was me expecting a successful shakedown and disaster strikes ........ commisser wotsits that ee said. But we modellers never give up and she will be back on the water for shakedown come this weekend [that is a confidence boost]. How did Troutbridge fair or with the wind out of your sails was she delayed - I suspect not knowing you. Well your predicament did ellicit some big words from our Old Chief Stoker :D:D:D. Chin up mate and back to the Workshop and remember to check the Weather Forecast before working "al fresco".;) Dave H

Thanks Dave , how well you know me eh :roll eyes: She sailed like a dream on Sunday although with all the" give aways " going on I only took her on the water for about an hour or so , but had a better day there than in the workshop [ but I have calmed down now ;)] Along with many others its amazing just how much we tend to hoard as Modellers This elderly guy who has had to give up due to very poor health , and he sold / gave away eight models and no end of " bits" As you see my present was a PVC Hull, Schottel Drive and a motor so time to get my thinking cap on with what to make of it :cool: This week end he will be getting rid of his tools .....so another trip this coming week end ;)

'Ere Ivor, this new dockyard matey that you've employed according to the venerable Dave H. Is this allowed in the refit process? Probably is where Bodgitt and Bodgitt are concerned. But I would question your choice as far as nationality is concerned mate. Al Fresco.... sounds a bit Italian mate ...... and their boats had a remarkable propensity for goin' backwards.:D;):rolleyes: Be warned. Sandy.

Just as well the Wardroom Steward is to busy to see that post Sandy ...shes quite fond of you to:cool: The rearward Navigation was under the control of the Admirals not us Stokers ....but know what you mean mate ..........to much plonk and not enough hard work eh :cool: Ill leave the bilge keels a tad longer then fill in the damage with quick setting Prattlies putty which sets like steel and can be fashioned in any way you like and gives the hull sums rigidity .....just hope I can reform it to match the other side . Thanks for the interest lads ....and the reassurance .:o

[QUOTE=Destroyerman;10109736]'Ere Ivor, this new dockyard matey that you've employed according to the venerable Dave H. Is this allowed in the refit process? Probably is where Bodgitt and Bodgitt are concerned. But I would question your choice as far as nationality is concerned mate. Al Fresco.... sounds a bit Italian mate ...... and their boats had a remarkable propensity for goin' backwards.:D;):rolleyes: Be warned. Sandy.[/QUOTE]Sandy, sir, tho you are chief of the clankies might I suggest you lay off casting aspersions on Italians! My CinC Home is Italiano and is known for being somewhat forward, definitely not backward in any respect :eek: However, because you are a good un, I shall gloss over you misspoke and regard poor Ivor's windswept Manxman. I have every confidence that our Ivor will have her back afloat and in full working order soon. Especially with all the help and support of his modelling friends :) When they can spare time the time from, shall we say... fences and a certain RY languishing in a back bedroom... :p:p Ivor, if the rankest of amateurs could ask a question, this putty stuff - will the additional weight on the repaired side of the hull result in you having to add some extra weight on the opposite side to make her level in the water. I'd guess that such an elementary adjustment will already been thought of and solved. But I was just curious about it. :o the rank novice, Missy

Y'see Sandy y Ivor ----- we has er interest - next she will be building so watch out for the resurrection of the Taranto Fleet. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:eek: Dave H

Missy I'm sure our dear Sandy was just joshing as having met the guy you could not wish for a more erudite or charming chief ............I have often heard the phrase ref charming the k.....s off a Nun when describing his demeanour..:cool: No about the addition of weight to the port side .......you are absolutely right .......see eves dropping in the Wardroom can be educational ...... The bilge keels on this were constructed of brass wire bent flat on the inside ....fed out through the hull at the correct point and then left perturbing at 90 degrees to the hull plates . these were then covered on both sides with very thin plasticard and glued n position . once dried these were then faced with the quick setting putty to present the correct shape and line once sanded down and flared into the body line at both ends . The trick here will be to estimate the thickness and try to duplicate it ........otherwise you will be adding lead to the opposite side to trim the craft out ......exactly as you implied :D Well as you will no doubt have gleaned .....with all the alterations and movement of equipment inside this could be quite a challenge to get her back on a trimmed keel ... Dave when you are next in the Wardroom library hide those manuals on ship construction ......once she finds out that her esteemed cohort may have had a Navy she might start painting the kitchen and fitting a vice to the table to encourage him to make a start ........I have been ostracised from my Dockyard back to the shed now :(

[QUOTE=ivorthediver;10109817]Missy I'm sure our dear Sandy was just joshing as having met the guy you could not wish for a more erudite or charming chief ............I have often heard the phrase ref charming the k.....s off a Nun when describing his demeanour..:cool: :([/QUOTE] Steady on Ivor ....... Kaks off a Nun is bit over the top ..... perhaps "Paint off a Rusty Scraper" is more in keeping with the Plate Klankies. But you are right he does seem a nice boy all said and done. Now back to your shed and finish the refit.

Here you go Missy pictures v words 1/ starboard side showing bilge keel which runs along middle third of hull line 2/ Poert side showing partial reinstatement 3/ bent bow 4 /repaired new rear deck ...if you look near aft turret you may see the staples used to hold it in place till set prior to resending
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[QUOTE=Dave Hutson;10109821]Steady on Ivor ....... Kaks off a Nun is bit over the top ..... perhaps "Paint off a Rusty Scraper" is more in keeping with the Plate Klankies. But you are right he does seem a nice boy all said and done. Now back to your shed and finish the refit.[/QUOTE] Chief Stoker ........ nice boy??:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: Ne'er the twain should appear in the same sentence sirrah.:D:D Bit of an oxymoron if I may say so mate.:D There you go, I've supplied the basis for your next comment mate .........:D Sandy.

[QUOTE=SheppeyMiss;10109802]..................Sandy, sir, tho you are chief of the clankies might I suggest you lay off casting aspersions on Italians! My CinC Home is Italiano and is known for being somewhat forward, definitely not backward in any respect :eek: ................ Missy[/QUOTE] A trillion ajolopies my dear Missy. Purely a figure of speech.:o:o:o:o My great, great, great (plus VAT) grandfather was Italian and became a lumberjack in the Gobi desert. Which just proves what a great tree-feller he was.:D I am constantly in awe of his achievements. Sandy (temporary bout of Foot and Mouth).;)

Don't worry mate , your always welcome in our circles so don't threat ....... Been busy today what with work and modelling ...:roll eyes: Managed to plug the ole girl with the putty free hand and by eye .......so let it stand [ or lay in this case ] and will clean it up tomorrow and sand it into shape Don't let on to Lady Karen that I trespassed into the kitchen or my tackle may be hoist as a pennant .......yea I know ....sunken wreck :(
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There was me thinking we had a disaster but it turned out to be a mishap ......... onward and upward Ivor .......... shakedown Sunday weather permitting. The gang's all here behind you so there is nothing a Boy partnered to a Shoreham Girl cannot achieve. [Aided by my mate Sandy of course]

Right .....thanks for the vote of confidence .......but I think our time scales may not mesh .........but will work on getting her in the water pdq ....even if only to trim her out .........:cool: As she was my first model and as I new no better she was finished in Enamel paint ......which I now have so will clean her up / repair the damage / and repaint her ......I'll keep you posted :o

Nothing wrong with enamel paint Ivor ....... I invariably use Matt, sometimes Satin but always use a Varnish to finish. Dave H

[QUOTE=Dave Hutson;10109886]Nothing wrong with enamel paint Ivor ....... I invariably use Matt, sometimes Satin but always use a Varnish to finish. Dave H[/QUOTE] Agreed Dave, one hundred per cent.;);) Matt goes on well (especially on a soapy water cleaned surface). Humbrol matt paints are sufficiently thick enough to cover in one coat, they adhere well and when they dry, they leave an even coating. Aerosol Satin Varnish is usually a wonderful final medium to bring out a realistic sheen on the vessel's paintwork. Good advice.;) How do I join your appreciation society?? Sandy.

The only reason I mentioned Enamel was that it was what I started with .:p My preference now is Acrylic as it is cheaper to buy , readily available easier to apply [ even though I do have a Air Brush / compressor ] and everything can be cleaned in water . Enamel is so much more expensive to buy :- 14ml pot currently £1.65 for Enamel 500ml aerosols £ 6.50 for Acrylic spray paint [ don't use cling film to mask though] Unless you are looking for exact colour matches to specific RAL colours I find that the later are near enough ......and safer to spray I'm told . If you need to touch up a minute area ......spray some in the cap and apply by brush .. Another benefit which modellers would like is that with using acrylic paint is that you can use modern decorators caulk to fill in gaps and joint lines ....either sand it when it dries or wet your finger and gently rub into position before it dries ......simple ....and its also acrylic based if you need a filler to use on almost any material above or below the water line which sets like concrete can be sanded, screwed, drilled will bond to metal pipework then the epoxy putty I mentioned previously [ sent to the moon for any repairs needed to anything they had I'm told ] roll to mix the two parts , place on subject and rub into position , wet to assist in forming shape , gets warm as it sets , perfect for bonding prop shafts to hulls , or rudder posts , as it forms a waterproof seal even cures under water ! , and as I say if you wet it whilst its setting you can mould it to any shape you like . I came across it whilst working in the Pool industry and seen it used successfully on Air con pipework , plastic pipes , fibreglass ,upvc , ceramics , steel pipe , just about everything .:cool: Well have rubbed the damaged bilge keel down [using above product to repair damage ] and the top of the bow , so will leave it to set now ;)

Are you trying to drag us two old dinosaurs kickin' and screamin' into the 21st Century Ivor??:D:D Acrylic?? Wot's that??:eek: Sounds like summat left over from an Atomic explosion.:eek::D You do it your way mate, and good luck. But don't forget the subsequent analytical inspection from the dinosaurs. It could be pretty microscopical ..............................:D:D:D:D Sandy (for and on behalf of Dave H).:D

Hmmmmmm . Not wishing to labour a point , but the paint I use is generally satin or matt , then when everything is on including decals I use a lacquer coat as the last coat ..... The dry time on Acrylic is minutes as against hours so another valid point in using it I made the point about not using cling film to mask when spraying as the solvent in the Acrylic will devolve Cling film ......so use traditional newspaper ....there never seems to be a lack of it so that makes it the best being cost effective .:D

[QUOTE=Destroyerman;10109979]Are you trying to drag us two old dinosaurs kickin' and screamin' into the 21st Century Ivor??:D:D Acrylic?? Wot's that??:eek: Sounds like summat left over from an Atomic explosion.:eek::D You do it your way mate, and good luck. But don't forget the subsequent analytical inspection from the dinosaurs. It could be pretty microscopical ..............................:D:D:D:D Sandy (for and on behalf of Dave H).:D[/QUOTE] Yeah, wot he says cos "ee knows yer know" :D:D:D:D:D;)

Thank you Ivor, for the photo illustrations. Now I understand what you were getting at. It looks as if you are a fair way on to restoring MANXMAN to her former glory. That putty seems like a very useful substance. BTW vice isn't not on the menu in [I]my[/I] kitchen! Cheeky boy! Chief Sandy, sir, yes t'would seem that Chief Stokers have charm in abundance and then some :eek: Nevertheless, all is forgiven... and you can't do better than to have an Italian feller lurking in the family tree - if you listen, you can discern their whereabouts by the rattling of secret skeletons in long forgot cupboards :p Now, boys (excepting the busy Ivor) since the weather is bright and fine and most suitable for the swift drying of fencing paint... oughtn't the senior partner be searching out his paintbrush. And t'other flicking the dust off a certain incomplete Yacht? Missy

Managed to get the first coat on today ....albeit a tad breezy outside . don't know about you lot but first coat is always the worst coat as it identifies all the imperfections you missed :( Will let it dry thoroughly before I address that issue though .:) Yes Missy , that putty forms part of my toolbox now as it is so handy and durable both inside and outside and very robust once it sets , and so easy to use as it comes in two oblong sticks that you rub together like play dough and your away . :)

As is well know on this Model thread in general, and has (in the past) been kindly tolerated by our "tame" Chief Stoker (can't REALLY tame them you know, they are like feral cats), I am apt to offer nothing of constructive use, but through interest and general nosiness am able to come up with "matters arising"..........:rolleyes: "Charming"?..........a Chief Stoker "Charming"????????, good grief, we had in my navy days many terms for the Chief Stoker, but "charming" was not a term often mentioned, except maybe:- Me.........."Chief the Jimmy wants 5 Stokers to be Store Party tomorrow" Chief Stoker..........."$%$£"^&* " Me........"Charming". One day, just one day I promised myself, I would go back to the Jimmy and report, "About those hands you want sir, Chief Stoker says "$%$£^&*". I never did of course, and the required stokers were always detailed off. :D:D Just a little ditty ;) As to subject of thread........good to see the "self maintenance" period is rectifying "wind assisted defects" Ivor, and honest, sincere apologies for highjacking thread.........will slink back into Routine Office.

Thats alright Scurs , no problem , constructive advice always welcome on these threads ;) Managed to get the second coat on today so the deck is beginning to look like part of the ship again . If the weather holds and I get the chance I will attempt to spray the hull over the next few days Just in case your wondering .....this model will be in Humbrol 64 Matt light Grey 73 " Wine 220 Gloss Red And when finished a top coat of clear Matt varnish No49 Other colours as required but as stated earlier all Humbrol Enamel where as all my other RN ships are in Acrylic paint Thanks for your continued support and enthusiasm in this my first ever model :cool:built in 2009/10........so now the subject of this refit

Gents, Could you answer a question please Post 16, picture 2 shows the two propshafts and couplings. On the extreme left of the picture are two vertical tubes fitted to the propshafts and then joined together at the top. What is the purpose/theory of fitting these vertical tubes and joining them together? Cheers John

Hi John and welcome to the Forum . The items you refer to are called oilers ........ On better quality model prop shafts these are fitted as standard and assist in lubricating the prop shafts whilst rotating in the prop casing . I always try to fit these as it lengthens the life of the shaft considerably . Again in some prop casings they include metal sleeves to act as bearings whilst the shaft rotates inside the casing so in effect you have three component parts 1/ the outer prop casing 2/ the inner sleeve or bearing in which the shaft lays and rotates 3/ the prop shaft itself . Most modellers strip out their prop shafts and coat them in silicon grease at the beginning of the season and aid this by also letting silicone oil drip down the oilers into the bearing sleeves . If you run at high speeds this has a tendency to work its way back up the vertical oiler tubes .....so to prevent that you fit a strip of pipping over to link them both together on twin prop shafts and avoid oil sloshing around the inside of your model The picture shows a few years worth of modelling this is born out by my sloppy filling and the stains around the upper top support fitting secured to the floor of this section .......this has all been cleaned out now and the inside fittings replaced and additional bulkheads installed Hope that helps explain it to you John , and thanks for looking in .
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Ivor, Thanks for the clear and concise explanation. John

Your very welcome John, always pleased to help where I can ... Would love to see some pictures of the Tug your restoring for my NAVAL TUG thread please :)

Well the hull repairs are progressing well and the new deck is painted , so starting to refit the fittings and restore the general appearance . Repainted the hull already and she is looking quite good now , but the fittings and the reinstatement of all the deck rails will take a long time yet as they are all heated with a soldering Iron to burn them into the plastic deck

Well far from perfect but better than the last few pictures , she is taking shape now:) Still lots of niggly things to resolve but she is not far off getting her ballasting trials before committing to the water again .......... Here are a few shots taken over the last few weeks and the last one today [ with a wisp of smoke from No 2 boiler seen coming from the mid funnel ] so you can see she will be on basin trials soon ......all being well . Checked out all the electronics today and they seem to be working well .......so will have to pick a nice day and try to get some nice shots of her in the water again hope you like them
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Looking good Ivor ....... oh, and Manxman looks pretty snazzy to boot. :D Good luck with the Sea Trials. Dave H

Thanks Dave , with the small navy I have at sea now thought about booking a fleet review and inviting the Royal Yacht along with the owners ......how long now before she is sea worthy :confused:

[QUOTE=ivorthediver;10111219]Thanks Dave , with the small navy I have at sea now thought about booking a fleet review and inviting the Royal Yacht along with the owners ......how long now before she is sea worthy :confused:[/QUOTE] Cheeky boy :)

Well done Ivor, as Dave says, looking good.;) Lovely shade of Red Admar you've got on the decks, most realistic mate. Sandy.

[QUOTE=ivorthediver;10111217]Well far from perfect but better than the last few pictures , she is taking shape now:) [/QUOTE] She's a real beauty Ivor - well done yourself! Can't wait to see photos of her at sea! Cheers!

[QUOTE=Destroyerman;10111234]Well done Ivor, as Dave says, looking good.;) Lovely shade of Red Admar you've got on the decks, most realistic mate. Sandy.[/QUOTE] Funny that Sandy , when building her I asked Ron about deck colours and when he told me the main decks were wine coloured and the bridge green I thought he was taking the pee ....but after further research found him to be telling the truth and on one of the threads it details how it evolved ....but can't remember where now ....Senior moment :p Still got loads to do but getting nearer now ....still find bits I missed that were broken / missing .....but once done I will seal her in Satin enamel seal spray . Did you notice the gentle grey wisp of smoke from mid funnel Sandy ......I had the generator running at the time on tick over so not a lot of smoke coming out

[QUOTE=Scatari;10111236]She's a real beauty Ivor - well done yourself! Can't wait to see photos of her at sea! Cheers![/QUOTE] Thank you Tim for those words of kindness , but as I remarked to Sandy the more you look the more you find , but must get her to the waters edge to check her out again before she goes for basin trails , don't want her turning "Turtle " do we .....she is a bit heavier now but she always sat nicely in the water :o

[QUOTE=ivorthediver;10111284].............Did you notice the gentle grey wisp of smoke from mid funnel Sandy ......I had the generator running at the time on tick over so not a lot of smoke coming out ........................[/QUOTE] From an old Chief Stoker Ivor, you are making too much smoke!!!:eek: The thinnest of "heat hazes" emanating from the funnel is acceptable, never white nor black smoke. RN ships were never used in the Papal election process.:rolleyes::D;) The briefest hint of white/black smoke is unavoidable when adding or taking-off oil sprayers however due to time lapse between sprayer tap opening/shutting and increased/decreased air pressures. This is by no means a criticism as I had a smoke generator fitted once in RODNEY. For the uninitiated (apart from honorary stokers like your good self) wisps of smoke (black being the Holy grail) emerging from funnels sets a great reality theme in model boating and is wonderfully effective, especially in very light airs. Keep up the good work mate and don't be put-off by pedantic old Chief Stokers.:D:D:D:D:D;) Sandy.

Silver tongued old Chief Pokers ......... yuk :eek: Ivor , They were infamous for waiting until the Yeoman had had his lads paint the Flagdeck then they would blow soot ....... when berated their Choirboy retort was ""When it is down here it is mine, and when it is up there anyone can have it""... grr :mad: Looked ok to me and will look even more impressive with a light breeze at scale speed 12 knots.:) Dave H

Ivor, another question if I may. Post 86, on the left hand side of the 2nd picture. What is the piece of kit that is marked TURNIGY? What are the numbers on it used for? John

Thanks for looking in again John , The item you identified is a combined on / off switch which has at the added advantage of displaying the current life left in your batteries when switched on .....in this instance two 5000 mAh 11.1 volt Lipo batteries wired in parallel Rightly or wrongly I gain confidence in the display telling me what is left in the batteries before I leave the safety of the shore line so in my opinion worthy of the cost . As and when time permits I am fitting these, now that I use Lipo batteries, in most of my model boats and for the price they cost ...well worth the cost given the instability of Lipo batteries as they lose their charge.

Useful item Ivor and it weighs precious little. Always a good thing to prove your battery duration before you set off. And it does help to stop the blood rushing to your cheeks in the event of a breakdown. There y'go, silver tongue ....... again ............ yuk. Hi Dave.;) City and Guilds in snivelling.:D Sandy.

As you say Sandy ,.....the laugh of it was when it came to wiring it up with two supplies on a cramped PCB it was an art in patience and dexterity believe me ! First saw it in a Component Shop catalogue a few years ago and now its come down to just over a fiver ...worth the peace of mind I felt , as with sausage fingers and small switches it was rarely successful with the Fatuba style ones If you get the chance to look in their catalogue ...do so as there are pocket / hand held battery analysers which give an instant read out on each cell of a lipo pack and shows exactly what state your battery is in which connects to the balancing lead of the lipo battery pack .

Ivor, Thanks for the answer. Just Googled LiPo batteries and they seem complicated to maintain. A whole different world to the lead/acid ones. John

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