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HMS Victorious - World Naval Ships Forums Archive (Page 2)


HMS Victorious (Page 2)


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I was bought "Jackspeak" for my birthday.................good innit? Loved the "Tugg" cartoon of the Quartermaster shining torch in face of sleeping shipmate and uttering the immortal words, "Happy Chrimbo Oppo, you've got the Middle".............been there, done it! :D Good luck Ivor with your massive project. :)

Thanks Scur's , for those few kind words of encouragement , and yes it should be "mandatory reading" for anyone reading posts on this Forum as it reveals loads of words in common use that you can now see the origin of and many more to give an insght to how" Jacks" mind worked Only a Few more days now before I start my last Model Ship which I am itching to start ....but the lapse in time to start has revealed many things about her that I was hitter to unaware of

Hee Hee ... Ivor has itchy fingers desperate to start "My Vic"...He can start on New years day..perhaps not if he has tooooo many tots on new years eve..:D:D

[quote=ivorthediver;10010158]Only a Few more days now before I start my last Model Ship which I am itching to start ....but the lapse in time to start has revealed many things about her that I was hitter to unaware of[/quote] Now Karen, which her is Deeps talking about... the Viccie or your good self?:eek::)

OOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOO Deeps has started.. my poor Dining Room..:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: will not see inside the room for months now...:(:(:(

Dining room Karen?? DINING ROOM??:eek: No such thing in a boat modeller's nomenclature.:eek::D A dining room becomes a spare room once a model has been started.:D Haven't you heard of TV meals m'dear?? Only two useful things in a dining room: large table (wot you can clamp a vice to) and a serving hatch (for beverages on a copious scale).:rolleyes: But to be completely honest, Carol (C-in-C Home) doesn't have to suffer that with me. I have a car-free garage and can do most tasks there. But my current partner-in-build Robbie, keeps referring to it as a "shed". How demeaning can one get?? I'm sure that you are going to support your man in this project, and I will guarantee that he will both need and appreciate it. Good luck to you both in 2012. Regards, Sandy.(Fellow modeller and sympathiser).:D

Link to a ,pdf file of the Carrier HMS Victorious. It is rather large so allow some time to open, you will need Adobe Reader. [URL]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52842831/33%20-%20The%20Aircraft%20Carrier%20Victorious.pdf[/URL]

Hi Guys ...........been slaving away ALL DAY [ yea Great is it not] and worn my fingers to the bone :D:D I am awaiting the prop' shafts which are being made especially for me out of 5mm stainless Steel along with supporting "A" Frames and I think they will end up with 60..70mm Props on [ I am not fitting the Cruising Centre Screw] ...so I am unable to start the model in my normal manner i.e. running gear / Rudder/ motors / servo's ........then the hull So on this occasion I have started on the Hull and as its so big.....the Stern half .... and cut out the stern openings around the quarter deck. and the deck and immediate structure in the Quarter deck :) The accommodation brow platforms will have to be formed once I can get some filler to form them with on the hull . I started to build the Ladders and hand rails today but gave up until I am in a better frame of mind:o I will need to get hold of some Scale Fairlead's,, Hawser Reels and Reels to complete the fittings in this area........... Work will be curtailed for a day or so as a new Carpet is being laid in the Dining room [ Yes She is so considerate is she not .........Yea right ] One thing I would like to know from Sandy is where can you get a decent quantity of Acrylic spray paint as if I use my normal supplier it will cost a fortune :eek:..[Yes...... I do have an Air Brush ] Tomorrow I will try to find some steel rod and sleeve to make my rudder from as I will need to be making and fitting it soon along with the Servo .....beneath the quarter deck and then a reinforcing bulkhead :)

The Japanese have a 1:10 scale model of IMS Yamato, it's 86 feet long and on display in somewhere in Japan. Why does'nt some patriotic matelot build a 1:8 model of either HMS Victorious or HMS King George V, 1940 rig, straight out of the Walker Naval Yard. Both vessels would be over 90 feet long and would show what a proper ship looked like. I certainly would do it myslf, but I was in the Merchant Navy and therefore think that it would be innapropriate for me to show grey funnel sailolrs how to do it. Happy New Year Jarrow Dave ( Sea sick, Home sick, Love sick and pig sick )

Jarrow Dave, I'll do it!:D Conditionally of course. You supply the display hall, the workshop, materials, cranes, woodworking machinery, the foundry for casting etc. The idea is almost as complicated as the real thing. And where's the enjoyment of your endeavours? You can hardly lug it down the local pond for a Sunday sail.:D:rolleyes: Nah. Come to think of it, I'll stick to 1:72 scale, big enough for me (and the rest of us I should think).;) And there are plenty of fine and famous merchant ships built in your neck of the woods, so why not build a 1:8 scale Merchantman yourself?? Sandy.

So There You Go ....Stokers Rule Ok ! Hi Sandy , things going at a slow pace at present and very frustrated . I now have all the boys toys to fit to my Model but progress not very swift, due in part to a worsening back problem where I can only sit for short periods , and for the Prop Shafts and "A" frames are still not here but look as thou they may be next week .:( I have been able to make up and fit the Quarter Deck structure and fit the bits I have to hand ,like bollards Capstan , and the Stern accommodation ladders and brows on Port and Starboard . Does anyone know how and where the 160cwt Beyers Stockless Anchor was stowed in this area and did she have Chain or rope cable to pay out when used and where would that have been stowed ? Would it have been in the Quarter deck locker or the jigger trunk :confused: What would the two Port/ Starboard vertical scuppers be made of on the outside of Stern skin? Timber or steel tube:confused: I have had to depart from the scale aspect of the Rudder size and configuration to make it more practical to fit and use in confined areas , and I have fitted the Port /Starboard bilge keels further inboard to offer some protection to the flat bottomed ship to enable easier assembly and protection to the hull skin if it grounds , during launch and recovery ........but as this is all below the waterline I will not lose to much sleep over it as its not a showcase example but a working boat ........:o. I am however fitting a double skin to the bottom inside to enable me to fit items inside like the motors , servo's , Batteries , steam generators , which will be fitted on top of the fibre glass hull with a styrene / Marine ply sandwich, fibre glassed around the periphery ......this will all so add both strength and rigidity to the hull and remove any flexing of the hull ........bearing in mind the joint in the hull on a 1/3..2/3 Ratio ;) I have constructed the Rudder paddle with a 5mm Piano wire shaft inside a brass sleeve tube , fitted to a horizontal collar across the rear portion of the stern and sealed against the fibre glass skin using plastic putty moulded into shape The paddle / Blade of the rudder is constructed from laminated plastic sheet sandwiched with Adraldite .;) When I am able to take some pictures of this I will .........:):)

Well things have been progressing ....albeit slowly .... Quarter Deck done / cable deck finished , laterals fitted to inside of Hull sections,rudder profile made and shafts fitted, bottom of hull skinned internally, and stern gun platforms , ;port and starboard well under way. Had to apply body filler to these areas to make up the shape where additional outer skins needed to be fitted following her refit in 1958 ...so not the most popular modeller at present :o Will try to get a few pictures taken before I go into hospital :)

Reading between the lines, I'm sure that Karen supports you all the way mate. Stick to it my friend and keep us up to date. Look forward to seeing some images. Sandy.

Thanks Sandy .....minor confession ...having trouble transferring pics to PC :(

Hi Guys , my apologies for the delay in posting but only got back from hospital on Wednesday afternoon after an operation on my Back . Please understand that I have had a serious back problem that prevented me doing anything involving weight or Grip hence the bloody awful condition of the work thus far but I hope to resolve that soon Pic 1 shows the Aft section of the hull and the rear of the quarterdeck, the bottom "sandwich " of Marine ply /polystyrene and the stiffeners to the hull sides Pic 2 shows the rear quarterdeck layout fabricated from "gash" plasticard Pic 3 shows the forard Cable deck Pic 4 Shows the forard section of the Hull and likewise the bottom "sandwich" Pic 5 shows the undersides and some of the running gear yet to be cleaned up and finished Pic 6 shows the aft sponsons which doubled the initial gun Deck area after the 1958 refit which also held the advent of the new Jet Aircraft refuelling points and the aft bubble where the gangway would be fitted aft Port and Starboard Pic 7 part of the dry dock referred to by the C in C [Home Fleet] as the Dining Room Sorry to have taken so long in getting this far but I had a digital camera issue which is now resolved I'm glad to say and once the new wounds heal I hope to get cracking in earnest and start tidying up the work started Thank you for your patience :o
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Looking good Ivor, hope the operation will be a success and give you some easing of the back pain. I'm usually ok after an hour or so first thing, as long as I don't stand too long. Keep up the good work Jim

Yes, I would echo Jim's words Ivor. Good progress and great to see the images. Very slowly, that which was referred to (Oh .... it hurts to say the term) er ...er .....the dining room (there ...I've said it) is metamorphing into a dockyard (MUCH easier to get my teeth around!!).:D (Humble, humble apologies to Karen).:rolleyes::D Nice to see TROUBRIDGE and MANXMAN safely alongside the wall.;) Sandy. Keep it coming and go careful.

Strange how dining rooms and the like get confused with dry docks and shipyards, must be due to the similarities.! :D This dry dock at Lairds of Birkenhead is a good example. However, looking good Ivor, but until back improves suggest "Dockyard Matey Routine"...........make a 10 minute job last all week! :)
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Thank you lads for your kind and undeserving comments I had hoped to be a lot further ahead than this ...but yes I know its not a race ....and time slips by so quickly its worrying :o

[QUOTE=ivorthediver;10014882] Pic 6 shows the aft sponsons which doubled the initial gun Deck area after the 1958 refit which also held the advent of the new Jet Aircraft refuelling points and the aft bubble where the gangway would be fitted aft Port and Starboard Pic 7 part of the dry dock referred to by the C in C [Home Fleet] as the Dining Room [/QUOTE] Ivor, can I ask about the 'bilge keels' on the flat bottom? I've never seen any theer before, the bilge keels I've seen are commonly on the 'corner' where the flat bottom meets the ships side (if you follow) Are they 'docking keels' or something of your own invention? what's their purpose? Something else that caught my eye was the rudder: is that the final item? It looks too long, or narrow, for it to be the real shape. Lastly, I liked the interior! Very neat! P.S. Back problems and a 10ft model don't go together! ;)

[quote=TCC;10014997]Ivor, can I ask about the 'bilge keels' on the flat bottom? I've never seen any theer before, the bilge keels I've seen are commonly on the 'corner' where the flat bottom meets the ships side (if you follow) Are they 'docking keels' or something of your own invention? what's their purpose? Something else that caught my eye was the rudder: is that the final item? It looks too long, or narrow, for it to be the real shape. Lastly, I liked the interior! Very neat! P.S. Back problems and a 10ft model don't go together! ;)[/quote] You are very observent I see ...good quality in a modeller in my opinion:) To answer your questions in order I will begin with the Bilge keels The actual bilge keels are exactly where you state they are and the Hull has no fixtures on the bottom other than the Sonar In my model bearing in mind its size and being in two sections of differing size and weight I needed a system of protecting the bottom of the model and a means of joining the two sections together whilst aligning the two sections of these size The answer I felt was to fit two angled Keels to the bottom of the hull at approx 60 degrees angled outward from the centre line...... with joints of 60 Degrees where the keels marry up on each side of the "Cut"....so the they protect the bottom of the hull whilst standing and where the front hull meets the rear hull the joint would aline and help to strengthen the joint as the two halves join hope that makes sense to you :confused: Now as these do not run the full length of her these "joints" could work against you as you try to marry up [the hull is 2/3 rear and 1/3 forard ] so on the farard section the "sonar dome" acts as a spacer on the front end of the hull base and the keels to the rear so that in theory the two sections on a level surface would only need to be pushed together ....and on the rear.. the extended section of the keel where the third prop was sited would offer support .:) As for the Rudder she will be longer and wider ....the original being almost square .....for the purpose of maneuvering as I did not wish to fit anything else like thrusters ...which were never fitted anyway Thank you for you kind comments about the Quarter Deck and the Cable Deck which I took great trouble to make sure they would not allow water into the "Citadel" where all the electrical gear would be stored /Motors /Receiver / steam generators switching gear etc......which once the flight deck is fitted will not see the light of day

Yup, extremely nice work Ivor. Between the world's best looking carrier and its best looking battleruiser, Victorious and Renown, I really cannot see myself getting a break fron this forum in the near future. Will you all please hurry and get it done,:D Just loving it, actually:cool: Monty

Thank you Monty , I hope I can deliver the goods so to speak:o Imagine how I feel at present with most of what I need to hand and limitations on how long I work on it and what I can or shouldn't lift....not a good mix I fear .......but at least not much chance of rushing it :( What I have done so far stopped nearly two weeks ago and it looks as if it will be another two weeks before I even lift a scale rule :mad: But I would like to finish it before I cross the Bar........so I have got a couple of years yet ....hopefully .....and if I don't .....it could be my "Viking Barge" to be put in..... set adrift ..and set fire as I go to Valhalla to meet Odin...[ apologies to the Norse viewers ] with the Band of the Royal Marines playing the last post perhaps :rolleyes: .. yea right..... to use the modern vernacular .............

[QUOTE=ivorthediver;10005560]Right ....here's the point I have reached today I am aiming to build her to be representative of post 1958 major conversion to early sixties which is when I understand "Chalky" was on her The bits I have managed to get so far are of HMS Illustrious Hull and superstructure . so everything above deck 2 will be different as far as I can work out so far as Illustrious had a straight flight deck and HMS Victorious had an addition of the 8 degree offset flight deck on the port side and a completely different superstructure and funnel and Air Radar of which I have scant detail other than the Anatomy of the ship book by Ross Watton [B]So Gentlemen I am very much reliant on you to get this done correctly ...please[/B] INFORMATION REQUIRED PLEASE What Aircraft types would have been on her in this time frame ? What ground [ or deck] handling equipment would she have had to use .....pictures ? What paint scheme would she have had ? Pictures and size of the Air radar used [ need close up not silhouette] Running and Navigation lights ? Flight deck handling and fire crew numbers during operation ? Well that is enough to start with To add to the problem at 1/96 scale she is over TEN FOOT LONG I'm told so in order to build ...work on ....store.... and transport she will have to be in two halves .....I used to look at Sandy's thread and worry now its my turn to worry After many chats it has been decided that the most practical point to divide her would be forward of the superstructure to allow for the Batteries , prop shafts and motors to be fitted in the aft section [ two 12 volt car radiator fan motors ] hence the cut line This will be my last model I think so I want it to have as much detail and be as accurate as I can get her given the constraints I'm working under .....but my models to date have been what I refer to as "Stand off scale " as I very quickly learnt from the abrasive remarks from "Know All's" at the waterside that no matter what you set out to achieve at eight feet away half of it is not noticeable to the untrained eye :o None the less I will give her my best shot ....as a tribute to our lost friend Chalky .......and his memory ...for all the good he tried to do for others who served , fell , and who's memory would have been lost ........:o I would be very grateful [B]For anything that you think might be of help to me ................Thank you [/B][/QUOTE] Hi Ivor We had Mk2 buccaneers,sea vixens,gannetts and wessex helicopters.The aircraft tugs were yellow 4wheel drive and steering,oh I forgot the cod gannett for getting the mail.

Cod Gannet ...thats a new one on me

[QUOTE=ivorthediver;10015178]Cod Gannet ...thats a new one on me[/QUOTE] Your COD Gannet was the Jack of all Trades - usually the first off in the mornings when flying and did all the messenger runs - the most important of which was the Mail Run wherever you happened to be. Most important aircraft on board. Apart from that a standard Gannet as far as I know. Dave H

[QUOTE=Dave Hutson;10015181]Your COD Gannet was the Jack of all Trades - usually the first off in the mornings when flying and did all the messenger runs - the most important of which was the Mail Run wherever you happened to be. Most important aircraft on board. Apart from that a standard Gannet as far as I know. Dave H[/QUOTE] COD = Carrier Onboard Delivery as opposed to the ASW Gannet which had the AN/APS 20 ASV radar attached under fuselage. Little h

Hi Ivor, I built a model of HMS VICTORIOUS 20 years ago, I built her as she was when I served on her for 5 years 1958-64. Scale was 1:72 and she was 12 feet long in two sections and R/C. Happy to help if needed Robbie. (from Sandy's SHED..... ooops.... GARAGE):D:D:D

Thanks Dave ...sounds as if she worked hard how many Gannets were on board I wonder and what did they do :confused:

[QUOTE=ivorthediver;10015187]Thanks Dave ...sounds as if she worked hard how many Gannets were on board I wonder and what did they do :confused:[/QUOTE] Well Ivor, as you know I was a Communicator, not Air Wing, so my involvement was Radio Crystal King for their Radio Comms. As I recall on Hermes we had two or three Gannets - one the COD and the other[s] were ASW [Anti Submarine Detection and Warfare]. Great aircraft and true workhorses in contrast to the thoroughbreds of the Buccaneer and Sea Vixens. No doubt our Air Wing crowd can elaborate more. Dave H

Also known as AEW (Airborne Early Warning) Gannets. Probably capable of vert-repping (Vertical Replenishing) with the fastest of Destroyers.... :D:rolleyes: Robbie.

Just an image of the 1/72 scale VICTORIOUS. Robbie.
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Robbiie Thanks for the Picture , can see the level of competition I have now .......no sleep now:( No Pressure then :( You must have Known Karen's Dad" Chalky White" as he served on her for the same period as you :):)

Ivor, it looks like there is an AEW Gannet parked just aft of the island on the starboard side in Robbie's image of VICTORIOUS model. Wings folded as only the Gannet could. If I remember correctly, HMS HERMES (first commission) carried three Gannets, two AEW and one COD. As has already been stated, they really were the workhorses of the embarked squadrons and had (seemingly) a remarkable stall speed. When landing-on (recovery) they seemed to hover interminably over the deck by comparison to the Buccaneers and Sea Vixen. Favourite of all was the COD Gannet which picked-up the mail and papers (and replenished any depleted stocks of gin in the Wardroom).;):D Hope your back is getting better and please, no more mention of crossing the bar. You have work to do mate. Sandy.

Thanks Sandy , Hope to be getting back to her in a couple of weeks ....all being well and don't worry I'm to stubborn to quit.......anything I set my mind to but want to get it right if I can

[quote=robbievic;10015201]Just an image of the 1/72 scale VICTORIOUS. Robbie.[/quote] Super model there Robbie, but what happened to the forrard lift. When she commissioned in 1958, she didn't have gannets she had Skyraiders.

Just to clarify the history of the Fairey Gannet in relation to VICTORIOUS: The Gannet was originally developed as an anti-submarine aircraft (Gannet AS Mk1); later marks were also produced for the same role (AS Mk4 and AS Mk6). VICTORIOUS never operated these as anti-submarine aircraft. These aircraft carried Ekco ASV Mark 19 B radar in a retractable radome under the rear fuselage. There were also Gannets in the training role (T Mk2 and T Mk5) but these rarely operated from carriers. The design was then heavily modified to become an airborne early warning (AEW) aircraft as the Gannet AEW Mk3, fitted with the AN/APS20 radar in a much larger, fixed, radome under the front of the fuselage. VICTORIOUS embarked a flight of these aircraft (usually 4 of them) to replace her Skyraider AEW aircraft, in 1963; the other RN fixed-wing carriers did the same from the early sixties. The Carrier Onboard Delivery (COD) aircraft were Mk4 or Mk6 aircraft with the anti-submarine equipment removed, used for delivering essential items (including mail!) and passengers to carriers at sea; one such aircraft was usually attached to the flight of AEW Gannets. Tim

[QUOTE=ivorthediver;10015022] To answer your questions in order...[/QUOTE] Hi Ivor Right, I see. I hadn't really thought through that you have to join the 2 quite substantial 'halves' together on a pondside. So your 'keels' are in effect oversize 'docking keels'. It's a nifty solution. [doffs cap] Will you take a long board with you.. maybe 2/3rds the model length. Put both 'halves' on it and slide together. The idea being it is better sliding them along a shiny flat surface than the surface of the pondside. Sorry if I'm teaching granny to suck eggs, you are probably ahead of me on that one? The rudder? if it was me, I'd make it as high as the lowered centre keel. It's an idea to consider.... By 'neat interior', I meant the unseen 'citadel'... but the finished forecastle and quarter deck look the part. Is the painted deck the same grey as the ships colour? To me, it looks a bit odd as you usually expect the decks to be a different surface or colour. Cheers paul

[QUOTE=limeybiker;10015315]Super model there Robbie, but what happened to the forrard lift. When she commissioned in 1958, she didn't have gannets she had Skyraiders.[/QUOTE] Barry, thanks for the explanation. Robbie did say to me that the Gannet's forerunners were "heavy American jobs" but he could not remember just what they were called. (Mists of time and other professional parts of ship).:D So he WAS aware. I could have helped him along with the dilemma but I never encountered Skyraiders on all three carriers as a "Badger" (Marine Engineering Department Flight Deck Crew). We dressed in black and white surcoats; hence the nickname.:rolleyes::D And thanks for the positives Ivor. Good news.:) Sandy.

[quote=TCC;10015352]Hi Ivor Right, I see. I hadn't really thought through that you have to join the 2 quite substantial 'halves' together on a pondside. So your 'keels' are in effect oversize 'docking keels'. It's a nifty solution. [doffs cap] Will you take a long board with you.. maybe 2/3rds the model length. Put both 'halves' on it and slide together. The idea being it is better sliding them along a shiny flat surface than the surface of the pondside. Sorry if I'm teaching granny to suck eggs, you are probably ahead of me on that one? The rudder? if it was me, I'd make it as high as the lowered centre keel. It's an idea to consider.... By 'neat interior', I meant the unseen 'citadel'... but the finished forecastle and quarter deck look the part. Is the painted deck the same grey as the ships colour? To me, it looks a bit odd as you usually expect the decks to be a different surface or colour. Cheers paul[/quote] Thanks for that Paul..... Rudder is as stated only part built ...and yes it will be made to the same level for two reasons better direction and better clearance for the 65mm inner /outer props yet to be fitted

[QUOTE=TCC;10015352].................By 'neat interior', I meant the unseen 'citadel'... but the finished forecastle and quarter deck look the part. Is the painted deck the same grey as the ships colour? To me, it looks a bit odd as you usually expect the decks to be a different surface or colour. Cheers paul[/QUOTE] As I remember, both the Cable deck and the Quarterdeck were planked on Aircraft Carriers post WWII. So too were the waist apertures along the length of the ship. Something you may make a note of Ivor.:) Sandy.

Thank you Sandy ......did not realise that to late to plank so what colour should it have been please . I notice Robbies walkways appear green on the spoonson's visable

I would use a desert sand colour, matt finish. Yes Ivor, the SPONSON decks are a non-slip green and also the catwalks where they are gratings overlaid with deck plate. Some of the catwalks were just gratings to allow maximum drainage in heavy seas. But I'm talking about the accommodation spaces along the side of the ship, the dirty great square holes in the side.:D They have planked decks. Sandy.

Thanks for that Sandy, I will change them over now.....

[QUOTE=Destroyerman;10015385]As I remember, [B]both the Cable deck and the Quarterdeck were planked on Aircraft Carriers post WWII[/B]. So too were the waist apertures along the length of the ship. Something you may make a note of Ivor.:) Sandy.[/QUOTE] Uh oh... looks like I've just made you a weeks extra work! :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=TCC;10015917]Uh oh... looks like I've just made you a weeks extra work! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] No TCC, you're OK mate. Far better to tackle it now than when the model is completed and on display. That's the worst time for any anorak to point it out.:eek::D I'm sure Ivor won't mind. Regards, Sandy.

[QUOTE=limeybiker;10015315]Super model there Robbie, but what happened to the forrard lift. When she commissioned in 1958, she didn't have gannets she had Skyraiders.[/QUOTE] Barry, another view of Robbie's VICTORIOUS clearly showing the forward lift (just aft of the jet blast deflectors). Both models in the image are 1:72 scale. Sorry to post somebody else's images on your thread Ivor, you can hijack our thread on RENOWN for a period if you want.:o Hope you are feeling much better now mate, back problems can be a real crippler.:( Sandy.
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[quote=Destroyerman;10016137]Barry, another view of Robbie's VICTORIOUS clearly showing the forward lift (just aft of the jet blast deflectors). Both models in the image are 1:72 scale. Sorry to post somebody else's images on your thread Ivor, you can hijack our thread on RENOWN for a period if you want.:o Hope you are feeling much better now mate, back problems can be a real crippler.:( Sandy.[/quote] Absolutely brilliant, kudos to all you super modellers. I still have the HMS Victorious, airfix model, I bought in the NAAFI in January 1958, still in it's box, the glue is probably naff by now, I also have the HMS Tiger from 1965 and a big BMW bike, one of my kids bought me. When I kick the bucket it will be tossed in the skip with everything else.

[QUOTE=limeybiker;10016144]Absolutely brilliant, kudos to all you super modellers. I still have the HMS Victorious, airfix model, I bought in the NAAFI in January 1958, still in it's box, the glue is probably naff by now, I also have the HMS Tiger from 1965 and a big BMW bike, one of my kids bought me. When I kick the bucket it will be tossed in the skip with everything else.[/QUOTE] Un-made kits from that era may be worth something as non survive 'unmade'. You should check them out.

[quote=Destroyerman;10016137]Barry, another view of Robbie's VICTORIOUS clearly showing the forward lift (just aft of the jet blast deflectors). Both models in the image are 1:72 scale. Sorry to post somebody else's images on your thread Ivor, you can hijack our thread on RENOWN for a period if you want.:o Hope you are feeling much better now mate, back problems can be a real crippler.:( Sandy.[/quote] No Problem Sandy and thanks ........getting there slowly .......:o As I only have flat profiles of the bridge ...does Robbie have any others of the Island ....as I suspect My flat drawings do not do "The Bridge " justice ....and I would like to get it as close as information allows :)




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