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Old 20-12-2010, 17:29
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Default Service Record: Frederick Charles Lowen RN

My Grandfather served in the RN from 1885 to 1919 (264's attached)
I have reasnable photos of all of his ships save for

HMS Hearty - Biult 1885 as a "special Service Vessel" later became a Fishery Protection Vessel the a Survey Vessel

HMS Cockatrice - built 1889 as HMS Niger a composite Paddle Vessel changed name to HMS Cockatrice in 1881 and changed again to HMS Moorhen in 1896

Any photographs of iether ship would be most wellcome!

Additionally He was a "Yeoman of Signals" until after his last seagoing draft (HMS Caesar 1903) from then on his rating changed to "BTn" or "BTM" (see 264's) Not disrated - VG Sat or Sup throughout!

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Old 20-12-2010, 20:11
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An intriguing record. Not sure how the Coastguard Service was administered at that time, but it appears that when his rank changed to Btn? he may then have been seconded to the Coastguard Service as the locations listed all appear to have been coastal signal stations or similar.
Also, your photo appears to have him wearing a HM Coast Guard cap tally.
Do you know any more about his time after 2nd February 1904?
I believe the attached photo is of the Hearty that you are interested in, sorry about the size.
You will find an excellent photo of Bramble (Cockatrice) here - scroll down to Bramble
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/r_n_gunboats.htm

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Old 21-12-2010, 01:45
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Hi Teuchter - I have the same picture of Hearty as Jim so have hunted around to find an alternative/additional picture for you.

Regarding Bramble - later cockatrice I am not totally sure that the picture Jim shows is of the same one that I have this picture of that was definitely captioned as Bramble later cockatrice??!!
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Old 21-12-2010, 09:52
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Hi Guys - thanks very much for the info and photos - much appreciated

My info is that eight ships of the Royal Navy have been named HMS Cockatrice after the legendary creature, the 4th one being the one my Grandfather served on - the "composite Paddle Vessel" so thats the one whose photo is still missing

1. HMS Cockatrice launched in 1781, was a 14-gun cutter, sold in 1802. Cockatrice was to have been the name for HMS Brev Drageren in 1812, but was never used.
2. HMS Cockatrice launched in 1832, was a 6-gun schooner, sold in 1858.
3. HMS Cockatrice launched in 1860, was a Britomart-class wooden screw gunboat, renamed YC 10 in 1882 and finally sold in 1885.
4. HMS Cockatrice launched in 1880 as [b]HMS Niger[b] a composite paddle vessel, renamed Cockatrice in 1881, renamed again to HMS Moorhen in 1896, sold in 1899.
5. HMS Cockatrice launched in 1886 as HMS Bramble a first class gunboat, renamed Cockatrice in 1896 and sold in 1906.
6. HMS Cockatrice was an ex-War Department vessel called Sir W. Harness, transferred to the RN and renamed Cockatrice in 1906, sold in 1910.
7. HMS Cockatrice launched in 1912, was a Acasta-class destroyer, sold in 1921.
8. HMS Cockatrice launched in 1942, was a Algerine-class minesweeper, sold in 1963 for breaking

As to his time after Feb 1904, all I know from familly history is that at some time he transferred from RN to Coastguard Service staying within the signals branch.

He eventually became the Coastguard/Customs & Excise/Harbourmaster at Portmahomack (where I was born) - photo below taken "between the wars" in our garden
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I believe Terry is right with his photo of Bramble/Cockatrice, so I have removed the other Bramble pic from my post to avoid any confusion.

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Thanks Jim - any ideas on how to find a photo of Cockatrice as in 4. in post #4?
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T - I will hunt through my database to see if I do have one somewhere.

I now see exactly which Cockatrice we are are looking for!
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Hello all

After Crimean war all these 3 ships served on the Danube for some years in accordance with the terms of the treaty of Berlin:

3. HMS Cockatrice launched in 1860, was a Britomart-class wooden screw gunboat, renamed YC 10 in 1882 and finally sold in 1885.
4. HMS Cockatrice launched in 1880 as [b]HMS Niger[b] a composite paddle vessel, renamed Cockatrice in 1881, renamed again to HMS Moorhen in 1896, sold in 1899.
5. HMS Cockatrice launched in 1886 as HMS Bramble a first class gunboat, renamed Cockatrice in 1896 and sold in 1906.


The last one ( photo attached) serving in Mediterranean and Black Sea ( Danube river ) between 1898 (?) - 1906.

Could I found out the servicing period in Black Sea /Danube River area for the other 2 ships , please ? And maybe some photos of them ?

Thanks

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My Grandfather served in the RN from 1885 to 1919 (264's attached)
I have reasnable photos of all of his ships save for

HMS Hearty - Biult 1885 as a "special Service Vessel" later became a Fishery Protection Vessel the a Survey Vessel

HMS Cockatrice - built 1889 as HMS Niger a composite Paddle Vessel changed name to HMS Cockatrice in 1881 and changed again to HMS Moorhen in 1896

Any photographs of iether ship would be most wellcome!

Additionally He was a "Yeoman of Signals" until after his last seagoing draft (HMS Caesar 1903) from then on his rating changed to "BTn" or "BTM" (see 264's) Not disrated - VG Sat or Sup throughout!

Any Ideas? v
Did they call Hms Niger Hms Nasheer as they would today.
I always have a chuckle when I hear commentators refer to the Niger as Nasheer.
Years ago it was called The Niger and the folk who lived there were called the same as the ship with an added G.
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HMS Cockatrice - built 1889 as HMS Niger a composite Paddle Vessel changed name to HMS Cockatrice in 1881 and changed again to HMS Moorhen in 1896

Any photographs of iether ship would be most wellcome!
Here is the Composite Paddle Vessel HMS Cockatrice ( ex-Niger) in Malta c1895 ( in front of her the smaller paddle steamer "Samson " )

She sailed under " Cockatrice" name between 1881 - 1896



Details , here :

http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuil...ip.asp?id=1268

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