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Old 24-06-2010, 10:39
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Default RN Patrol Boats: P-Class - WW1

Hello, Could anyone give me a 'heads-up' on where to start looking for infomation on Service , build info or operations on this WW1 class please?.

I have a decent plan from Greenwich, and brief history notes from one magazine. I know some were converted in to Decoy Ships, and most operated in the Channel where two (?) were sunk, but nothing much else about what looks like a fascinating group of ships - - certainly very unusual in style!.
Many thanks in advance,
Richard Bartholomew (West Norfolk : Current crewmember on HDML 1387 ; ex-HMS Medusa)
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Old 24-06-2010, 10:45
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Richard

Welcome to the forum.

I hope you find what you want. There are plenty of members who may be able to help you.

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Old 24-06-2010, 11:14
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Five B class submarines B6, B7, B8, B9 and B10 were converted to Patrol boats Not long after they were built in and about 1907 . They were renumbered as S6, S7, S8, S9 and S10.
Probably not what you are looking for.
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Old 24-06-2010, 11:18
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P class patrol boats
Designed chiefly to hunt U boats fitted with hardened steel ram in the bow.
P11 12, 17, 24, 26, 27 built in 1915
P14, 15, 16, 18- 23, 25, 28-37, 40 41, 50, 52, and 75 built 1916
P38, 39, 45-49, 54, 57, 58, 59, 64. built 1917
The class were built by eighteen different builders.
P12 was lost in the channel in 1918
P26 was mined off Havre in 1917.
P50 went to Egypt in 1924
P38 became a Fishery protection Vessel Spey and then sold in 1937.
The rest were sold off between 1921 and 25. the last P59 was sold in 1939.
Length 244 and a half feet
Beam 23 and three quarters feet
Displacement 578 - 613 tons.
Turbines with two screws
3,500-4,000hp
20-23 knots
1 4in gun 2x14inch torpedo tubes
Complement 50-55

There was off course the PC boats known as Q ships.
Disguised as coastal freighters they differed slightly from the P boats by being a bit wider 25 and a half - 26 and three quarters feet wide Displacement 682-692 tons and having 4 14 inch tubes.
None were lost during the war.
PC42-44, 51, 55, 60-63, 65, 67 and 68 built 1917.
PC66, 69, 70-74 built in 1918
In 1924 PC73 became a Fishery protection vessel Dart
PC69 and 55 became the Indian training vessels Pathan and Baluchi.
The others all being sold between 1921 and 26 except for PC74 being in service at the start of WWII
Have a couple of piccies if interested
Fred

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Old 24-06-2010, 11:33
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Richard, welcome to the forum.

Hopefully some of our members may be able to help you.

I assume the class of ship you are looking for is the PC class patrol boats, which were mercantile type ships used as decoys during ww1, otherwise known as Q-ships.

If there are any particular ones you want it may help our members to point you in the right direction for info, plans etc. as a good few of them are into modelboats etc.

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Old 24-06-2010, 12:06
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Try 'Swept Channels' by Taffrail followed by 'The Auxiliary Patrol' by Keble Chatterton. A more scientific, critical account of these vessels is given in 'Find and Destroy' by D Meissimer. Some of the logs have survived at Kew and are worth seeking out for serious research.
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Old 24-06-2010, 16:55
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Hello Richard & welcome to the Forum.
Preusme this is what you are looking for in `P' boats. Two awards to boats ;

BUTLIN Edward S.R N/E Lt. RN 78C032 P.25
Rear Admiral Harwich 20.09.18 Gazetted
Harwich Destroyers period 01.01.18 - 30.06.18 Mentioned in Despatches
In addition to various engagements in which he has taken part, performed exceptionally good work in taking in tow H.M.S. "Tarpon" at night in June, 1917, after she had been mined off the Belgian Coast. Again in Novemeber, 1917, he did particularly well when H.M.S. "Croseton" had to be taken in tow in a gale.

BEELEY E N/E Lt. RN 85U087 H.M.S.P. 18
C-in-C Portsmouth 1st Destroyer Escort Flotilla 20.09.18 Gazetted
Escort & Patrol Destroyers 01.01.18 - 30.06.18 DSC
Has rendered very valuable services in command of H.M.S. P.18, which vessel has been continually employed in escort and patrol duties, in waters in which submarines have been active. When S.S. Grantley Castle collided with another vessel in the Channel on the night of the 8-9th March, 1918, and it was considered necessary to disembark the wounded on account of the Hospital Ship being badly holed forward, this officer displayed great energy and resource in skilfully having brought his vessel alongside the Hospital Ship, thus enabling the wounded to be immediately transferred.

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Old 24-06-2010, 17:11
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Denis my info says it was HMS P26 that was mined and off Havre.
HMS P25 was scrapped in about 1921.
Fred
PS but I could be wrong!!
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Old 24-06-2010, 23:18
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If you are modelling one, the Glasgow Museum has a builder's model of one on display.
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Old 25-06-2010, 07:48
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Hello FRED, perhaps the award re HMS P25 was not explicit enough. Could you note that it reads `taking in tow HMS TARPON that was mined' NOT P25 !
Just an observation you understand.

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Old 25-06-2010, 07:57
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Richard, further info re `P' ships.

FRED, further to last posting & your observation re P.25 / P.26 find here two awards to ships for service ;

COLVIN Ivan B N/E Lt. RN 85U042 H.M.S P.19
C-in-C Portsmouth N/E N/E
Rescue Survivors of H.M.S. P. 26 1917 N/E
Brought to notice for picking up survivors from P.26, when she struck a mine on the 10th April, 1917.

RAHTKENS Carl E N/E Lt. RNR 85U041 H.M.P.B. P.26
C-in-C Home Fleets 23.05.17 Gazetted
Hospital Ship Salta & H.M.S. P.26 1917 Mentioned in Despatches
Acted very properly and gallantly in going to the assistance of mined Hospital Ship "Salta".

Does give `authority' to your observation that P.26 was mined & that P.25 did inded finish the war in one piece !!

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Old 25-06-2010, 10:12
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Thanks Denis. My info is from books and not from any personal experience and sometimes books contradict each other as you know. So as I said I could be wrong but..................
Thanks mate for the confirmation.
Fred
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Old 25-06-2010, 16:55
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OK FRED, all understandable.

RICHARS, here are 4 awards to crew of HMPB P.12, along with info re services. Others will no doubt add info re the UBoats attacked / sunk ;

WEBBER Henry C N/E Gunner RN 83P275 P.12
C-in-C Portsmouth 07.06.18 Gazetted
Action with enemy submarines 07.04.18 Mentioned in Despatches
For services in an attack on an enemy submarine on the 7th April, 1918.
Is mentioned for the smart manner in which depth charge loading was carried out.

DEAN George L.H N/E Lt. RNR 83P275 P.12
C-in-C Portsmouth 07.06.18 Gazetted
Action with enemy submarines 07.04.18 DSC
Attacked and probably sunk an enemy submarine by depth charges, on the 7th April, 1918. He was quick to grasp the situation and carried out the attack with good judgement.

RAYMOND Hugh E N/E Lt. RN 83P090 H.M. P.12
C-in-C Portsmouth 22.06.17 Gazetted
Actions with enemy Submarines 02.05.17 DSC
Sank an enemy submarine on the night of 2nd May, 1917, at 2.30 a.m.
He acted in a prompt and gallant manner.

WEBBER Henry C N/E Gunner RN 83P090 H.M. P.12
C-in-C Portsmouth 22.06.17 Gazetted
Actions with enemy Submarines 02.05.17 Mentioned in Despatches
Sank an enemy submarine on the night of 2nd May, 1917, at 2.30 a.m.
He acted in a prompt and gallant manner. Was in P.12, when she sank an enemy submarine. Acted with great promtitude. See - Lt. Raymond

Other such awards if required.

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Old 25-06-2010, 17:45
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Always treat claims of sunken U-boats with extreme scepticism unless the wreck was detected and dived. Naval intelligence was inclined to embroider attacks on U-boats into into certain sinkings, particularly in material designed for press consumption. The logs usually tell a very different story. having said that the 'P' class were very handy and accounted for a couple of U-boats. Sliced 'em in half with their bows. UC33 and U61 (possibly) destroyed by these vessels in western waters.

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Old 28-06-2010, 05:10
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Clio, yes, quite agree re inputter giving credit, but some of these recommendations were compiled at the time, so if it was thought that an attack was made that deserved recognition, then an award should / could be given.

Richard / Fred, here are two more awards re P.57 ;

BERNIE Harry C N/E Lt.Cdr. RNR 83P220 P.57
Vice Admiral East Coast of England 22.02.18 Gazetted
Action with enemy submarines 18.11.17 DSO
Rammed an enemy submarine on the 18th November, 1917. He is deserving of the highest praise, not only for his own speedy and faultless attack ; but also for the high state of efficiency in a ship so recently commissioned.
The measures taken by him to ensure accurate observation of the position during the following night are also considered seamanlike and praiseworthy.

ESDALE John N/E Lt. RNR 83P220 P.57
Vice Admiral East Coast of England 22.02.18 Gazetted
Action with enemy submarines 18.11.17 DSC
Rammed an enemy submarine on the 18th November, 1917.
For services on the occasion of the destruction of an enemy submarine.
He was Officer of the Watch at the time of sighting and ramming the submarine ; and personally released the first depth charge at the precise moment that the submarine passed under her stern. He also displayed commendable energy and resource in the subsequent operation.

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Old 28-06-2010, 07:32
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Thanks Denis.
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P class patrol boats
Designed chiefly to hunt U boats fitted with hardened steel ram in the bow.
P11 12, 17, 24, 26, 27 built in 1915
P14, 15, 16, 18- 23, 25, 28-37, 40 41, 50, 52, and 75 built 1916
P38, 39, 45-49, 54, 57, 58, 59, 64. built 1917
The class were built by eighteen different builders.
P12 was lost in the channel in 1918
P26 was mined off Havre in 1917.
P50 went to Egypt in 1924
P38 became a Fishery protection Vessel Spey and then sold in 1937.
The rest were sold off between 1921 and 25. the last P59 was sold in 1939.
Length 244 and a half feet
Beam 23 and three quarters feet
Displacement 578 - 613 tons.
Turbines with two screws
3,500-4,000hp
20-23 knots
1 4in gun 2x14inch torpedo tubes
Complement 50-55

There was off course the PC boats known as Q ships.
Disguised as coastal freighters they differed slightly from the P boats by being a bit wider 25 and a half - 26 and three quarters feet wide Displacement 682-692 tons and having 4 14 inch tubes.
None were lost during the war.
PC42-44, 51, 55, 60-63, 65, 67 and 68 built 1917.
PC66, 69, 70-74 built in 1918
In 1924 PC73 became a Fishery protection vessel Dart
PC69 and 55 became the Indian training vessels Pathan and Baluchi.
The others all being sold between 1921 and 26 except for PC74 being in service at the start of WWII
Have a couple of piccies if interested
Fred
Hallo,
My apologies for not replying well before this to those who replied to my original query so long back, but can only use excuse of illness which took precedence. That's over now, so am back doing some research so as to maybe be able to make a decent model plus learn more about these unusual craft. Have made it down to the NMM to view one of their plans, and purchase same, and am also really interested in hearing that Glasgow Museum may have a model of one.
Once again my thanks, Richard
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Hello Richard & welcome to the Forum.
Preusme this is what you are looking for in `P' boats. Two awards to boats ;

BUTLIN Edward S.R N/E Lt. RN 78C032 P.25
Rear Admiral Harwich 20.09.18 Gazetted
Harwich Destroyers period 01.01.18 - 30.06.18 Mentioned in Despatches
In addition to various engagements in which he has taken part, performed exceptionally good work in taking in tow H.M.S. "Tarpon" at night in June, 1917, after she had been mined off the Belgian Coast. Again in Novemeber, 1917, he did particularly well when H.M.S. "Croseton" had to be taken in tow in a gale.

BEELEY E N/E Lt. RN 85U087 H.M.S.P. 18
C-in-C Portsmouth 1st Destroyer Escort Flotilla 20.09.18 Gazetted
Escort & Patrol Destroyers 01.01.18 - 30.06.18 DSC
Has rendered very valuable services in command of H.M.S. P.18, which vessel has been continually employed in escort and patrol duties, in waters in which submarines have been active. When S.S. Grantley Castle collided with another vessel in the Channel on the night of the 8-9th March, 1918, and it was considered necessary to disembark the wounded on account of the Hospital Ship being badly holed forward, this officer displayed great energy and resource in skilfully having brought his vessel alongside the Hospital Ship, thus enabling the wounded to be immediately transferred.

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Hallo,
Please see my very belated 'general' reply today to all those who answered my query earlier this year.
Regards, Richard
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If you are modelling one, the Glasgow Museum has a builder's model of one on display.
Dear Medway 50,
Please see my very belated 'general' reply today to all those who answered my query earlier this year.
Very interested in your comment about there being a model up in Glasgow, and will pursue that.
Regards, Richard
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Please Iam trying to find photos of patrol Boats built on the Tyne, below is a list of those Boats.

P.19 1916-23
P.20 1916
P.26 1915-17
P.50 1916-21
PC.51 1916-23

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Am tracing my Grandfathers Service Career. He was appointed to HMS VICTORY addl for P59 - building on 15 September 1916. He was then appointed to P59 on 19 February 1917 - on commissioning. Despite extensive research I cannot find out what P59 was. He left P59 for HMS WOOLWICH addl for HMS URCHIN on 25 April 1918. Can anyone out there assist. Thank you. Cassandra
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4th post down here gives you some info.
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Many thanks clevewyn, last two posts moved to this thread. P59 is listed in our Directory, with a photograph of her

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Many thanks clevewyn, last two posts moved to this thread. P59 is listed in our Directory, with a photograph of her

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Many thanks for the info. It has been most helpful. Who would have thought of an HMS P59! Is this the only class of RN ship not to be named and only recognised by it's pennant number? Jim
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Many thanks for the info. It has been most helpful. Who would have thought of an HMS P59! Is this the only class of RN ship not to be named and only recognised by it's pennant number? Jim
No there were several, most notably Landing Craft, Submarines and minor craft - such at Motor Torpedo Boats, Motor Launches. Motor Gun Boats, etc.
During the war, Churchill instructed that all submarines should have a name and, postwar, many of the surviving Landing Craft, etc., were allocated a name.

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