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Why don't you Google 'Paying-off Pennants'? You will see modern vessels paying-off (pennants and all)
I did but did not find mucth the first time. However, a change of words produced this and more:
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A light-hearted post.....take a 'butchers hook' at the attachment below.

Suggested captions might read:-

- "Modern Navy ship maintains tried and tested methods of securing sensitive equipment"

- "Modern Navy ship uses High Tech portable securing system to protect deckhead mounted flexible boom mic from head bangers"


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Necessity is the mother of invention. Obviously didn't have any duct tape handy.

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Mitch: Perhaps the proper device description might be: "Hook, metal, reversible, ageless, reusable, general purpose". Much better than single use duct tape!

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Armed forces training and education officer:
Entry requirements



The academic subject requirements for entry into the training and education branches vary between the forces, but in all three a degree is essential and entry is not possible with an HND only.

The Royal Navy recruits Engineer (Training Management) Officers - E(TM)s - with degrees in mathematics, engineering or physics, and have limited places for Arts graduates. A minimum of 180 UCAS points are required, and five GCSEs (A*-C), or Scottish Standard grades, or equivalent, including English and maths..................


A Postgraduate Certificate in Education (PGCE) is not a pre-requisite, but teacher training can be advantageous. Other pre-entry postgraduate qualifications are not generally needed, neither is pre-entry experience, but some training with cadet forces, University Officer Training Corps (UOTC) , University Royal Navy Units (URNUs) , University Air Squadrons (UAS) or the Army Reserve can be helpful.

You will be expected to demonstrate a range of aptitudes. Candidates will need to show evidence of the following:

- communication skills;
- self-motivation and flexibility;
- ability to lead and motivate;
- a good level of physical fitness.

.................... The Royal Navy and the RAF will consider applications form graduates with British, Irish, Commonwealth and British/dual citizenship. To apply to the RAF, graduates must have lived in the UK for at least three years before they apply to join.

Source; Prospects - the UK's official gruadate careers website. - where the full blurb can be read.



My Comment; Not so much an appointment more the Training and Education Branch????


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Skills shortages hits a Modern Royal Navy

In recent days there has been a discussion on the 'Stokers Talk Only' thread relating to a shortage of engineers in the RN. The discussion also included the use of civilian contractors onboard RN ships.

Because it was not known at the time of the debate what the split of trade skill shortages amongst engineers was, I hinted that it might be necessary to move the debate to this thread.

A press report(1- see link below) advises that there is indeed a split of trade skills involved and suggest that the shortfall in numbers are 195 marine engineers, some 35% of the fleet; and 175 weapons engineers, or 45%. Other skill shortages include a shortfall of 60 nuclear watch keepers - 15% of the full-strength, 50 mine warfare specialists and 80 underwater warfare specialists - 30%, 100 cooks - or 20%.

Another press report (2 - see link below) advises of the shortages of engineers in a more general manner, giving a broad figure of around 500 engineers. The RN has taken remedial action in the form of 'Project Faraday' , fast tracking potential candidates through courses and promotion. The article advises further that - 'Britain needs to recruit 1.8 million engineers by 2022 just to stand still'.


So, our allies come to the rescue; see the following headline by David Pugliese, Published on: January 16, 2015 in the Ottowa Citizen:-
Canadian, U.S., New Zealand and French naval engineers being used by Royal Navy to keep its ships operating


Note; Further interesting reading on this subject can also be found at SAVE THE ROYAL NAVY, in an article dated February 14, 2015.


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(1) The Telegraph By Matthew Holehouse, Political Correspondent 05 Dec 2014

(2) Express By Marco Giannangeli PUBLISHED: 14:00, Sat, Feb 14, 2015 | UPDATED: 18:21, Fri, Mar 20, 2015


Ooops - Seems I somehow managed to post an incomplete duplicate of this post - I have now removed same - Sorry
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Skills shortages hits a Modern Royal Navy

In recent days there has been a discussion on the 'Stokers Talk Only' thread relating to a shortage of engineers in the RN. The discussion also included the use of civilian contractors onboard RN ships.

A press report(1- see link below) advises that there is indeed a split of trade skills involved and suggest that the shortfall in numbers are 195 marine engineers, some 35% of the fleet; and 175 weapons engineers, or 45%. Other skill shortages include a shortfall of 60 nuclear watch keepers - 15% of the full-strength, 50 mine warfare specialists and 80 underwater warfare specialists - 30%, 100 cooks - or 20%.

Another press report (2 - see link below) advises of the shortages of engineers in a more general manner, giving a broad figure of around 500 engineers. The RN has taken remedial action in the form of 'Project Faraday' , fast tracking potential candidates through courses and promotion. The article advises further that - 'Britain needs to recruit 1.8 million engineers by 2022 just to stand still'.

So, our allies come to the rescue; see the following headline by David Pugliese, Published on: January 16, 2015 in the Ottowa Citizen:-
Canadian, U.S., New Zealand and French naval engineers being used by Royal Navy to keep its ships operating

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Harry:

These numbers are really quite staggering! Makes one wonder how the RN is going to come up with the people to man the new carriers.
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These numbers are really quite staggering! Makes one wonder how the RN is going to come up with the people to man the new carriers.
Quite staggering indeed Tim.

'Project Faraday' is reported to be one of a number(?) of initiatives the RN is pursuing to "ensure it has the skilled manpower needed to operate its new Queen Elizabeth aircraft carriers by the time the first one is launched in 2020."(1).

I assume that date represents the in-service date for the Queen Elizabeth (R08) - One must wonder how (in the intervening years) the ship goes to sea, conducts a full trials programme, followed by her work-up period(s), without these successfully qualified 'Project Faraday' candidates being in place.

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(1) Express - (this is the same link as (2) in my previous post-repeated for convenience)
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Hi Harry,

Did I not read somewhere ??? that we are already using Engineers on Lend Lease from the U.S. Coastguard.

Will we need Carriers when we are relegated to a Coastal Defence Force Cos' seems to me that is the way we are headed if our Politicos do not listen to the Defence Advisors when it comes to investment and recruiting.

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Did I not read somewhere ??? that we are already using Engineers on Lend Lease from the U.S. Coastguard.

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Yes Dave, you will have read it ... although I'm not sure which of our free press carried it.

Four USCG personnel, were already at work aboard Type 23 frigates by the middle of February 2015 and another 16 were due to arrive soon. I am not sure which engineering skills they represent.

I can advise that the info was contained under the heading 'Helping hands from abroad', in the link to 'SAVE OUR ROYAL NAVY' included in one of my previous posts (#208) In the same section, mention is also made that in addition to personnel from Countries already mentioned, there was/is a possibility of some from the Indian Navy.

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This is really depressing, how did it come to this?
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Thanks Harry ,

The thought of Curry under the Live Steam drain cunjures up culinary delights

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Just to make every one really happy.
In a written answer in parliament it was confirmed that the manned strength of the navy will drop from 30,300 as at April 2015 to 29,900 by April 2020, and the government also stated that the MOD budget would be reduced by 500 million.
Makes one's heart swell with pride.

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Was there any mention of an aircraft carrier being offered for sale?

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Just to make every one really happy.
In a written answer in parliament it was confirmed that the manned strength of the navy will drop from 30,300 as at April 2015 to 29,900 by April 2020,

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..... and not all is as it seems either. According to my reading the 'trained strength requirements for the Naval Service' for the period identified in Mitch's post (above}, will have been achieved by April 2018, see:-

2015 Royal Navy trained strength = 30300
2016 reduced by 100 to 30200
2017 unchanged from 2016
2018 reduced by a further 300 to 20900
2019 unchanged from 2018
2020 unchanged from 2018

The above appears to be covered by that great government caveat that reads:- "on current plans"

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..... and not all is as it seems either. According to my reading the 'trained strength requirements for the Naval Service' for the period identified in Mitch's post (above}, will have been achieved by April 2018, see:-

2015 Royal Navy trained strength = 30300
2016 reduced by 100 to 30200
2017 unchanged from 2016
2018 reduced by a further 300 to 20900
2019 unchanged from 2018
2020 unchanged from 2018

The above appears to be covered by that great government caveat that reads:- "on current plans"

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I hope you mean 29900 (not 20900) in 2018?!
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It might be worth reading this linked PDF.

On the first page it reports the trained regular strength of RN & RM in January was 29,960!!!!! The balance of the reported total trained strength of 30200, being made up of FTRS Regulars, see:-

Royal Navy and Royal Marines Monthly Personnel Situation
Report for January 2015

(Published 12 February 2015)


Key Points for January 2015
Strengths

The trained regular strength of the RN/RM including FTRS Regulars
was 30,200 giving a deficit of 0.3% against the liability as shown in Table
1a.

The trained regular strength excluding FTRS regulars was 29,960,
also shown in Table 1a.

Outflows

The total outflow from the trained regular strength excluding FTRS,
was 2,970 in the 12 months to 1 January 2015, made up of 2,560 Ratings
and 400 Officers as shown in Tables 9a and 9b.

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Might it be construed, that in January this year we were only 60 short of the 2018/2020 target numbers.
And what of the Contractor Owned Contractor Operated (COCO) ScanEagle drone 'pilots' from BDUK; where do they feature in these numbers ... presumably they remain as civilians whilst operating on RN warships and do not become FTRS personnel.


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FTRS (Full-Time Reserve Service) are personnel who fill Service posts for
a set period on a full-time basis (this is different from mobilisation) while
being a member of one of the Reserve Forces, either as an ex-regular or as
a volunteer. An FTRS reservist on:

Each Service uses FTRS personnel differently. The Naval Service
predominantly uses FTRS to backfill gapped regular posts. However, they
do have a small number of FTRS personnel that are not deployable for
operations overseas.

FTRS Regular - FTRS personnel counted against Regular Liability
FTRS Non Regular - FTRS personnel not counted against Regular Liability

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BDUK = Boeing Defense Ltd. UK
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Hi All

Talking about reserve manning, this paragraph in Warship World Naval Aviation News caught my eye.

736 NAS NOW "A FULLY-FUNCTIONING" NAVAL UNIT
The last civilian pilot has left 736 NAS at RNAS Culdrose ending an era of over half a century in which civilian pilots have been contracted to fly second line fast jet missions for the RN. The unit now has a full complement of naval pilots and acts as the RN focus for fast jet operations whilst continuing to provide FOST with realistic air strike simulations for British and NATO warships, maintaining pilots' skill levels in a British operational maritime environment.

I never knew that the pilots flying simulated attacks for FOST were civvies. One lives and learns.

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Talking about reserve manning, this paragraph in Warship World Naval Aviation News caught my eye.

I never knew that the pilots flying simulated attacks for FOST were civvies. One lives and learns.

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Not remember FRADU Mitch, from way back?

I am formulating a short series about MOD contracts that affect the RN and it's workings and had intended to put it on the GOCO thread. But I'll follow this one up now with just a few excerpts; see:-

The Fleet Requirements and Air Direction Unit (FRADU) was, latterly operated by Serco Defence and Aerospace, under contact to the Royal Navy until it was stood down in June 2013.........

........Two airframes were permanently detached at RNAS Yeovilton and were used by the Naval Flying Standards Flight (Fixed wing) and although flown by Fleet Air Arm pilots, were still maintained by FRADU's engineers.

FRADU's pilots and engineers were all ex-military with varying fast jet backgrounds from the English Electric Lightning to former Red Arrows team members, which were then employed by Serco as civilians.

Source; where the full article can be read HISTORY OF THE FRADU


Helicopter Flying School

Mr. French: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement about the defence helicopter flying school. [3032]

Mr. Soames: In my answer of 9 March 1995, Official Report, column 350-51, I outlined our plans, arising from the defence costs study, for the formation of a single, tri-service school with a strong contractorised element to provide those aspects of helicopter basic flying training common to the three services. The school will be established at RAF Shawbury and will commence training on 1 April 1997. I am now pleased to announce that we have awarded a 15-year contract to FBS Ltd. for the operation of the DHFS under contractor-owned, Government-operated arrangements.

FBS is a joint venture, UK company, comprising FR Aviation, Bristow Helicopters and SERCO and was formed specifically to bid for this contract. Collectively, the company has extensive experience of working with the services; Bristow Helicopters and SERCO already provide services to Middle Wallop and RAF Shawbury respectively.

The school will have the capacity to train approximately 230 pilot, navigator and crewmen students a year from our three services as well as a number from overseas. The helicopter fleet will consist of 38 AS350 Squirrel single engine and 9 Bell 412 twin-engine helicopters. Seventy-six military and 45 civilian flying instructors will be employed at the school. FBS will be responsible for the provision and maintenance of the helicopter fleet, all ground-school and support facilities and the provision of the civilian flying instructors.

The DHFS project has been procured in line with the private finance initiative, thus demonstrating the Government's strong resolve to continue to achieve value for money in defence support and to concentrate resources on the front line. The formation of the DHFS, utilising more modern equipment and taking advantage of the efficiencies brought about through contractorisation will provide a value for money, high quality training facility for HM forces well into the future. Compared with the current system of delivering training this represents a saving of some 80 million over 15 years.

Source; here


UK Military Flight Training System's original contract:
Active: yes
Contract Amount: 635,000,000 GBP
Project Timeframe: 25 years
Announcement Date: 06/02/2008
Termination Date: 12/31/2033
Source Link(s): Lockheed Martin Press Release

The initial contract was valued at 635 million and is projected to rise to as much as 6 billion over the life of the programme and was awarded to Ascent in 2008.
The contract made Ascent responsible for running the UK Military Flying Training System (UKMFTS) programme, providing comprehensive training to all new UK military aircrew across the Royal Navy, the Royal Air Force and the Army Air Corps. Ascent is a Public Private Partnership (PPP) approach combining the Joint Venture Lockheed Martin (50%) - Babcock (50%), The Directorate of Flying Training for No 22 (Training) Group and the UKMFTS IPT (Integrated Project Team) from the MoD.

Under UKMFTS, the MoD maintains the training output requirements and standards whilst providing elements such as airfields, fuel and instructors. Ascent will design the overall system and deliver the training capability including delivering a proven Training Management Information System and the procurement of aircraft platforms and simulators. Ascent is responsible for mainteinance and platform support of most machines as well (for example it is wholly responsible for the availability for service of the Hawk T2).

Ascent took over the role on an incremental basis to ensure minimal disruption to the training programme. Additional contracts detailing future services and purchases have and will be announced as the programme progresses. The training covers the period following Aircrew Selection up to the point the students leave UKMFTS ready to fly in their operational aircraft.
Ascent’s selection as UKMFTS Training System Partner in November 2006 followed a competition to select a partner who would harness the collective skills of the MoD and industry. Ascent will work with the MoD over the life of the programme to design, deliver and manage ground and flying training at multiple locations across the UK.

Source; UK Armed Forces Commentary - this gives a comprehensive details of the whole set up


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Hi little h

Never had much to do with the FAA or FOST, never did a work up. Spent most of my time in the FES or Gulf. Only UK ship was already in commission when I joined so never had the pleasure.

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Regarding civilian pilotsflying for the navy I hope that the MOD had made provision for them to be treated as genuine combatants should they be captured. It used to be that anyone not wearing a uniform was shot.
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Robots should replace technicians, says admiral

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Published at 12:01AM, October 30 2014

Robots and remote systems controlled by civilian contractors should begin to replace many technicians employed by the Royal Navy, Britain’s most senior naval officer has said.

Admiral Sir George Zambellas, the First Sea Lord, said that the navy needed to be “radical and maybe even revolutionary” in the struggle to match the march of technology with constrained budgets.

Approximately half of Britain’s 23,000 naval personnel are engineers and technicians who maintain ships and the systems on them.

Source; The Times - Defence

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Anyone know what is meant by the contents of this short excerpt? With the inclusion of:- "engineers and technicians who maintain ships and the systems in them" - surely this doesn't just mean the operation and control of drones?


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Have you ever heard the expression:

Promoted beyond the level of their incompetence

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