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Old 13-09-2011, 13:56
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Looks to be taken from Napier Battery which looked over the southern entrance to the dockyard. This pic was most probably taken on the late March 1982 during Exercise Spring Train just before they would head for the Falklands. In the foreground are HMS ANTRIM and HMS BRILLIANT and somewhere in between all the ships halfway up the South Mole is RFA ENGADINE.

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Old 13-09-2011, 13:58
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HMS SABRE P 285 - seen on the 5th September.

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Old 13-09-2011, 14:02
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Whilst I still sort out my older pics of ships in Gibraltar, here some taken by a good friend of mine, John Ferrary, in Gibraltar during the 1980s.
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Old 13-09-2011, 14:05
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Thank you Daniel. Happy days!

P.S. That's the east escarpment water catchment behind me in my avatar.
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Old 13-09-2011, 17:10
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Its nice to see nice new shiny ships parked up in Gib harbour but hasn't anyone got any older pixs like the 1960s. Whilst on Chaplet and Virago we used to spend loads of time in Gib.
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Old 13-09-2011, 19:30
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HMS Calpe

Managed to pop into Gibraltar last weekl didn’t have much time to explore what I wanted to, but spotted this, and quickly snapped it. I have since discovered that there isn’t much information on th internet regarding the RNR HQ HMS Calpe that was formed in July 1965, closing in 1993 (March I think). It was the only RNR HQ Unit outside of the UK.

The unit took it’s name from the Type II Hunt Class Destroyer that worked out of Gibraltar as an escort in 1943. She left Gibraltar for the last time in 1946 when she was paid off into reserve. The ensign from the ship was presented to the RNR Unit, and apparently hung in a glass case in the drill hall.On the closure of the Unit in 1993, the ensign was handed over to the Gibraltar Museum where it hangs in a room dedicated to the Gibraltar RNR Unit, HMS Calpe.

I wonder if any members know anything about the Unit, or who may even have been part of it. It would also be very interesting to know more about the salvaged capstan. From what ship (it has the date 1922 cast into it)? Why was it recovered?
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I presume that the Calpe Hunt at Gibraltar is long gone?
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Old 14-09-2011, 04:46
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Whilst I still sort out my older pics of ships in Gibraltar, here some taken by a good friend of mine, John Ferrary, in Gibraltar during the 1980s.
Dan, thank you very much for sharing the nice photoes of Leanders and Rothesays. I really appreciate them. With your kind permission, I would to copy them for my personal collection. Warm regards. Hanef
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Old 14-09-2011, 06:22
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Hanef, no problems although the pics are not mine.

Patroclus, the Calpe Hunt was stopped because of the Spanish Civil War (the hunt would take place in the nearby area of Jimena in Spain). After the Civil war it wasnt reinstated as the areas / stables were the horses were kept was being built to become the runway and airport.

Clive, the capstan comes from the wharf in the dockyard, most probably from the area which became commerciallised after 1984. There are still some left in the MoD area. These are not used anymore. As for the RNR in Gibraltar, I will try and get more info for you, will also try and get into the museum and see the display there (its been years since I have visited the museum). As for its name, there is the possibility of it being named after the Hunt class destroyer or just named Calpe as it is the roman name for Gibraltar. As a young child I remember their headquarters in a small building in Queensway and I remember it having a large crest of the unit on the entrance. There were a lot of Gibraltarians proudly serving within the RNR and I remember many stories in the local dailies referring to their assistance to large NATO / RN exercises in the area. After its closure, the building became the MoDs library for many years until it was passed onto the Gibraltar Government who have housed the Dept of Education there.
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Thanks, Daniel for the information re the Hunt.
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Old 14-09-2011, 08:35
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A couple of photos taken in the 50s - The arches leading to the town with I believe the Trafalgar Cemetery on the left. Also the harbour from above.

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Clive, the capstan comes from the wharf in the dockyard, most probably from the area which became commerciallised after 1984. There are still some left in the MoD area. These are not used anymore. As for the RNR in Gibraltar, I will try and get more info for you, will also try and get into the museum and see the display there (its been years since I have visited the museum). As for its name, there is the possibility of it being named after the Hunt class destroyer or just named Calpe as it is the roman name for Gibraltar. As a young child I remember their headquarters in a small building in Queensway and I remember it having a large crest of the unit on the entrance. There were a lot of Gibraltarians proudly serving within the RNR and I remember many stories in the local dailies referring to their assistance to large NATO / RN exercises in the area. After its closure, the building became the MoDs library for many years until it was passed onto the Gibraltar Government who have housed the Dept of Education there.
Hi Daniel,

Thanks for that. We may have got our wires slightly crossed .... I knew that the RNR Unit was named after the Hunt Class destroyer, and as mentioned in my post, the destroyer's ensign was presented to the unit.

I got the totally wrong end of the stick by thinking that the capstan was "salvaged" from a ship? but as you have now informed me, it was salvaged from the dockyard wharf ... an now looking at it again, it of course looks much more like a shore based capstan than from a ship.

'twould be interesting to know whether the ensign is still in the museum.

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Old 14-09-2011, 15:29
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A couple of photos taken in the 50s - The arches leading to the town with I believe the Trafalgar Cemetery on the left. Also the harbour from above.

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Hi Bonzo ,

really interesting image indeed

The first one , i remember that there was a bar just before those gates/arches called "The Trafalgar " which i went into before returning back on board.

The second image ,is slightly a sight i never did see , as it looks like the destroyer pens are in use on North Mole ,and the water between Coaling Island and Cormorant ,has a berth for sweepers .

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In Sluys, 1951, when the Home & Med. fleets met in Gibraltar , the pens were full of Battle Class Destroyers, each jetty had two Battles tied up to each side.
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Bonzo, my recollection is that a small cemetery was to the right of the Arch where the traffic Halt sign is. Was the Trafalgar cemetery seperate to this one?
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Bonzo, my recollection is that a small cemetery was to the right of the Arch where the traffic Halt sign is. Was the Trafalgar cemetery seperate to this one?
Keith sorry can't be more specific on this one, my vague recollection was the small cemetery on the left was Trafalgar but not positive.

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Old 14-09-2011, 21:47
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Bonzo, my recollection is that a small cemetery was to the right of the Arch where the traffic Halt sign is. Was the Trafalgar cemetery seperate to this one?
My memory accords with yours but I'm not certain it was the Trafalgar cemetery either.
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Old 14-09-2011, 21:58
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According to my street map of Gib, the Trafalgar cemetry is to the left of the Southport gate as you leave the town.

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Have studied the location of the Trafalgar Cemetery, it seems that the common opinion is that it is on the right approaching the gates and looking at the current Google Earth maps they confirm this to be correct.

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Old 15-09-2011, 16:46
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I can confirm that the Trafalgar Cemetery is to the right of the photo to the left of it beyond the small wall was the sunken gardens. This area has changed quite a lot today, biggest change is that the sunken gardens are not there anymore!

On the second photo, once again, quite different from the view today, with reclaimed land reaching up to the old destroyer pens. The auxiliary in the middle of the harbour is the RFA War Brahmin used as a floating oil storage vessel in Gibraltar about 1954 and scrapped in 1959. Starred in the film The Silent Enemy as the italian frogmen support ship Olterra which was based in Algeciras during WW2 striking at targets on the Rock.
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Trafalgar Cemetery

On my brief trip to Gibraltar last week, I did manage to have a quick peek in the Trafalgar Cemetery.

The Cemetery was consecrated in June 1798, seven years before the battle of Trafalgar. It was then known as the Southport Ditch Cemetery, and was sometimes regarded as a part of the old St. Jago’s Cemetery, which was situated at the other side of Charles V Wall. The association with the battle of Trafalgar does not seem to have been made until many years after the event.

Southport Ditch, outside Southport Gate, formed part of the town defences at least as far back as Spanish times: it appears in the 1627 map of Gibraltar by Luis Bravo in the British Museum, as a “Fosso” just south of “Puerta de Africa” (Southport Gate). The western half of the ditch, which had been used as a market garden in the nineteenth century, was filled in when Referendum arch was opened in 1967.

The cemetery was used for burials between 1798 and 1814, and thereafter fell into disuse, although there is one isolated tomb from 1838 near the far north-east corner (no.60 in the plan on the south wall). Earlier gravestones from St.Jago’s cemetery were set into the eastern wall in 1932, and there are also a few free-standing stones, some of which date back to the 1780s, which have been transferred over the years from the Alameda Gardens.

Many of the tombstones in the cemetery commemorate the dead of three yellow fever epidemics in 1804, 1813 and 1814. Also buried here are victims of other sea battles of the Napoleonic Wars-the Battle of Algeciras (1801) and actions off Cadiz (1810) and Malaga (1812).

Although the name of the cemetery commemorates the Battle of Trafalgar, only two of those who are buried here actually died of wounds suffered in the battle. Lieutenant William Forster of the Royal Marine Corps of HMS Mars (grave no.121), who was first admitted to the Naval Hospital, Gibraltar on the 28th of October 1805 and died on the 30th from a thigh wound. The other, Royal Marines Captain Thomas Norman of HMS Colossus (grave no. 100) - not Columbus as widely stated on the internet .. He was admitted on the 3rd of November, and died on the 86th of December from a shattered skull.

The first casualties of the battle were 57 casualties admitted on the 24th October 1805 from HMS Bellisle with many being returned to their ship having been treated within 11 days of admission. Next, on the 28th October was HMS Colossus discharging 43 casualties followed by HMS Revenge (10), HMS Bellarophon (51). Of this total only 12 died, the rest were discharged into the care of their parent ship for transfer back to England.

HMS Victory arrived on the 29th October. 8 days after the battle, and discharged 26 injured. One casualty from Victory, AB Joseph Burgin, had his leg amputated through his thigh; he lived, and was discharged back to the care of Victory for the journey home.

The following casualties were also landed on the 29th; from HMS Mars (18), HMS Africa (13), HMS Achille (11), HMS Defiance (19) and HMS Temeraire (25). HMS Royal Sovereign landed 12 casulties on the 3rd November.

There were, in total, 294 admissions to the Naval Hospital during October, the greater from the 24th October onwards. November 169 and December 36. Of this total of 499 patients only 90 died, not all from ships that participated in the battle.

As with all battles, most deaths occurred amongst the injured within 48-72 hours, mainly from trauma, fluid loss and shock and yet it was interesting to note major injury amongst those admitted from the various British ships that had survived beyond this period, to be admitted some 8 days after the battle. Some only suffered minor injuries and died within a few days, at a time when infection ruled, with no antibiotics, or sterile/clean procedures in surgery. It was very much survival of the fittest.

Those who died during the battle were buried at sea, bound in their hammocks, but those wounded that were brought to Gibraltar, and subsequently died, were buried just to the north of Charles V Wall, on the opposite side of Trafalgar Cemetery, a small plaque was recently placed there to commemorate the site.

The Old Naval Hospital is a small four sided building with a central courtyard, which existed from the mid 18th Century, and the time of the Great Siege. The hospital was succeeded by the present Naval Hospital in the early 1960’s, which was previously the Army hospital. The old hospital is now accommodation.

Thanks to Eric C Birbeck MVO of the Haslar Heritage Group for the casualty statistics www.haslarheitagegroup.co.uk


GibraltarTrafalgarCemetery_1: Sign on the outside railings which adds just a bit too much weight to the Trafalgar significance in my view.

GibraltarTrafalgarCemetery_2: Layout of the cemetery showing grave locations.

GibraltarTrafalgarCemetery_3: This wall plaque gives a more balance and accurate description of the cemetery.

GibraltarTrafalgarCemetery_4: View of the wall mounted tombstones and the tribute bearing Admiral Collingwood’s famous message sent the day after the battle.

GibraltarTrafalgarCemetery_5: Closer view of Collingwood’s message, that reads:

EURYALUS, At Sea, Oct. 22nd. 1805.
To His Excellency the Right Hon.
The Honourable General H.E. Fox, &c., &c., at Gibraltar.

Sir,

Yesterday a Battle was fought by His Majesty's Fleet, and a Victory gained, which will stand recorded as one of the most brilliant and decisive , that ever distinguished the British Navy....Our loss has been great in Men; but what ia irreparable and the cause of Universal Lamentation is the death of the Noble Commander-in-Chief who died in the arms of Victory. I have not yet any reports from the Ships...

I have to congratulate you on the Great Event, and have the honour to be. Your obedient servant.

Signed C COLLINGWOOD


GibraltarTrafalgarCemetery_6: Gravestone of Captain Thomas Norman

GibraltarTrafalgarCemetery_7: Gravestone of Lieutenant William Forster

GibraltarTrafalgarCemetery_8: A statue of Nelson erected in 2005 to celebrate the 200th anniversary of the battle. Sadly a bit too contemporary in my view, and bearing little resemblance to our great hero.

All photographs taken by myself except GibraltarTrafalgarCemetery_1, the original source of which is not determined – no copyright restrictions evident.
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Great photos Clive, thanks.
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Here is a collection of views of Gibraltar in summer 1965. The cruiser to the left of the second clip is Lion.

I couldn't help but include the evocative view of ships approaching the Rock in the rain ...
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Nice pictures Scratch - I also noticed to the right of pic 2 the mighty sheerlegs is still there.

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Brillant ,Scratch.

If you look closely at the 4th photo , through the rain you can see the "Lavant cloud".

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