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Old 04-10-2012, 16:10
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Kaibo. Do not know what ship. Could possibly be Depot Ship, but does not look so. Possibly a PM to TERRY (Astraltrader MOD) MAY BE OF HELP !
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Old 08-10-2012, 18:15
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Thanks will do.
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Old 12-12-2012, 15:58
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Default Sole Survivor Submarine H49

Hello,

My name is Christine Oliver. My uncle was George William Oliver, sole survivor of the H49. As a family we knew of his escape and years spent as POW at Milag Nord Prison Camp.

I recently came across a document Beaumont House Old Boys' Association Trip to Texel Island Netherlands June 2011. This was fascinating reading to me and the pictures contained therein.

Dennis Feary met my Uncle and talked through the sinking. I see that some of the relatives went to the wreck site in 1987. I wish to ask Dennis if he is in contact with any of the relatives still. I know it is some years now but there may be some. If like me family members are keen to know more about their loved ones, I have copies of letters which were written to George asking for information about the sinking. He did correspond and I wondered if any of the family members would like to receive a copy of the initial approach letters. I have letters from LT R E Coltart's parents, G H Coltart, Sub Lt Dearden, Able Seaman Hobbs, ER A Cripps.

On reading these letters of what they were asking and to whom must have been any experience that I would never wish any person to have to underake.

I am putting an archive together for George and if I may, dedicate a thread to him and those lost. I live near Harwich and have visited it many times and seen the boatyard from where H49 left for her final voyage. There is a bronze memorial to lost submarines on the Thames Embankment London on the Savoy side.

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Old 12-12-2012, 17:39
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Hello Christine - welcome to the Forum, and many thanks for posting H49 message. As you can see I am D.A.F - I researched the story of H.49 many years ago & am still `at it'. Would very much like to see / have copies of the letters to uncle George. I met him in his apartment in Hartlepool in 1984 and got his side of the sinking. Actually it was not quite correct.
Looking forward to hearing from you further.

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Old 12-12-2012, 18:54
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Was H49 a submarine or H49 Hms Diana that was lost in 1940
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Old 12-12-2012, 19:17
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Hello Christine and welcome to the Forum.
You will find photos of H49 and others of the class on this thread
http://www.worldnavalships.com/forum...ead.php?t=5772

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Old 12-02-2013, 14:28
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As previously mentioned in my initial post last year I enclose copy Lt R E Coltart's parents letter to George. (not sure if this is going to work or not)
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Old 16-02-2013, 09:54
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Christine - please see my PM to you.
Many thanks for posting the letter from Dr. Coltart to George Oliver.

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Old 30-06-2013, 13:40
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Some images of H class submarines from the Boston Library Leslie Jones Collection. Some of these images are labelled US Navy Submarines on the website as they were ordered by the RN from Bethlehem's Fore River yard, and were to be delivered unarmed to Canadian Vickers.

The US authorities considered this a stretch too far for US neutrality & delivery was suspended until 1917 when 6 boats (H13 & H16-20) were transferred to Chile.
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Old 30-06-2013, 20:54
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Hi Andy,
Thanks for the superb photos of the US H group. First time I've seen H12 included in any of these groups. Only 12 more to go.
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Old 06-07-2013, 13:11
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Checking through this thread I see at post #135 that 'Dolphin' was asking about details of H24 in the late 1920's. I can't help with his question but have a question of my own about H24.

My understanding is that, in Feb 1922, H24 had her periscopes and Conning Tower severely damaged in a collision with HMS VANCOUVER in the Mediterranean - near Majorca. H24 was towed back to Gibraltar and repaired and re-joined the 3rd Submarine Flotilla at Devonport in August 1922.

The accident to H24 was just a couple of weeks before the collision of H42 and HMS VINDICTIVE also near Gibraltar in which H42 was sunk with all hands.

I have found a few one line newspaper reports about the H24 collision which, for some reason do not identify HMS VANCOUVER but this accident seems to have been completely overshadowed by the H42 disaster in March 1922.

The question for all you experts on the H Class is - can anyone add in any details about the H24 collision with VANCOUVER?
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Old 07-07-2013, 06:23
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I have 4 Original Postcards in my collection of this incident, this is the 3rd one in the series which shows the best view of her damage, the 1st is a distance shot of ships closing in to offer assistance, on the back these ships are listed as HMS Curacoa & HMS Whirlwind, the 2nd shows her coming up to HMS Curacoa, the 4th is her in tow. On the back they name HMS Vancouver as the culprit and the date written on the cards is the 9th of February 1922.
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Old 09-07-2013, 20:28
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A fine photograph and many thanks for posting it. Its the only photograph that I have seen of H24.

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Old 10-07-2013, 09:02
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Hi All,
Thanks Darren for the excellent photo of H24. Peter Lawrence, in his book 'A Century of Submarines' at p.68 has a much blurred copy of the same shot and he captions it 'During combined fleet exercises on 9th February, the destroyer HMS Vancouver rammed H24 as she surfaced, slicing open the conning tower. Fortunately, the pressure hull was not ruptured and H24 survived. With her ripped conning tower clearly visible, H24 is taken in tow by the cruiser HMS Curacoa.' Above this photo he gives a shot of the 3rd Flotilla at Gibraltar on 2nd February 1922. This shows H42, H34, H28, H24 and H52 in a trot alongside a mother ship(?) seen from the mother ship from an angle off the starboard bow. In their book 'HM Submarines in Camera' JJ Tall and Paul Kemp use a slightly later(?) photo from Curacoa's stern from on top of the aftermost gun house and add that the fleets involved were the Home and Mediterranean fleets and that on 23rd March 1922 H42 was rammed and sunk with all hands by HMS Versatile. The extensive damage to Versatile is shown in Lawrence's book at p 69 (the caption to the photo in Tall and Kemp's book is misleading since the boat shown is clearly H24 though they indicates it to be H42 and then refer to the sinking of that boat some 6 weeks later. I can post scans if requested but the book quality is not the best and the scans might well not be anything like as good as Darren's.
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Old 10-07-2013, 21:31
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Information about the H24 accident was reported in a letter from George Henry Rickard to a girl friend in Portsmouth. This letter was reported in the press following the loss of Submarine H42 – which was sunk with all hands in a similar collision – a few weeks after the accident to H24.

Western Morning News Saturday 25th March 1922

George Rickard (who was lost in the later H42 accident) wrote as follows:

‘After we arrived at Gibraltar it was just like summer. We went to sea to make an attack on the Fleet. H24 was unfortunate. She made an attack, and just as she was heading to the surface she was rammed by a light cruiser, which swept her bridge clean off.
We managed to save her, and tow her into harbour with the crew safe. I do not think she will ever arrive in England again. She is a wreck. We are at it day and night. We get back to England about April 10.’

It is not clear from George Rickard’s letter whether H24 was towed back to harbour by his submarine (H42) or by another ship. George Rickard was obviously not correct about the fate of submarine H24 which was refitted at Gibraltar - where extensive repairs were carried out – and was re-commissioned at Gibraltar on 28th June 1922 with a new Commanding Officer – Lieutenant Edmund Rodenhurst Dodd. H24 returned home in August 1922 to re-join the 3rd Submarine Flotilla.
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