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Old 28-08-2009, 13:54
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Question Cock o' the Fleet

According to my father, this was an annual competition in the Med in the 30s.

I think he competed, as cox'n with crew and ship's boats, several times, and his ship's crew won once; I believe he was on the Nightingale for one but information seems to be non-existent; does anyone have any more information about these events?

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Old 28-08-2009, 15:35
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Hi Edna

You are quite correct exept that it was not just in the Med. It depended where the appropriate Fleet - Atlantic(idc Home), Med etc - was massing in one giant wet parking lot!! The larger ships such as the battleships and cruisers entered two crews - deck and engineroom - so there was a competition within the main competition!! Each ships crew(s) wore different coloured jerseys so that they could be recognised by their respective ships. The 'parking' was normally in two lines so that the races took place between the two lines of ships. It was usually a week long festival occasion.

It was the only time that the RN allowed betting, with the daily Tote odds being signalled around those present each morning before racing commenced.

The eventual winner, ie the ship with the most wins, was then named the 'Cock of the Fleet', why 'Cock' escapes me for the moment!!

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Old 28-08-2009, 16:13
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Good on you Mik,

The only thing you forgot was the lengths some ships would go to to win, i.e. shaving down the whaler until it was almost paper thin then woe betide any poor sole who put his foot thru it.

Many a Jimmy the One had to put his reasons in writing to the Admiral, wonder why it was never the Captain but then it was on his slopchit anyway.

Horseracing was also the other decksport where the tote was permitted provided some of the proceeds went to the Ships Welfare Fund or Charity [Not HMS I hasten to add although she was a good ship [yet another CH]]

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Old 28-08-2009, 17:48
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Wasn't there a 'Cockerel trophy' presented to the winner. Hence the name. I'm sure I've seen a photo of it somewhere?????
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Old 28-08-2009, 18:04
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I think that Cock o' the Fleet/Squadron/Flotilla comes from this

Alexander Gordon, 4th Duke of Gordon KT (18 June 1743 – 17 June 1827), styled Marquess of Huntly until 1752, was a Scottish nobleman, described by Kaimes as the "greatest subject in Britain", and was also known as the Cock o' the North,
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Old 28-08-2009, 19:38
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Here is a Cock of the Fleet trophy. Thinkk this was held by Gambia at some stage.

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Old 29-08-2009, 01:11
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I'm sure thats the pic I've seen before !!
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There was obviously more than one trophy.

Unless there was a cock-up!!
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Old 29-08-2009, 03:51
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I saw a good photo of the "cock" standing on top of B Turret on HMS Barham. It was a very clear photo but I can't remember where I saw it. Someone amongst us may have a copy.
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Old 29-08-2009, 15:32
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I may be wrong but didn`t they allow betting on The Field Gun races at the Olympia?
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Old 29-08-2009, 17:10
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Hi all, I was on the Ulysses in 1958/59, we won the cock of the fleet, think it was held somewhere in sycily. The ship was entitled to emblazen the funnel with a cut out cock (male chicken).


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Old 29-08-2009, 18:25
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Here is the image of Barham with the Cock o'the Fleet trophy on B turret

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Old 29-08-2009, 19:11
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Portland 1947. Fleet Regatta when I did the 3 month Auxiliary Course on Howe, but I can't remember what the other pieces of silverware were for. As a trainee I was not involved except as cheering party.

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Old 29-08-2009, 23:08
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Here is the image of Barham with the Cock o'the Fleet trophy on B turret

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Dave wonderful picture of the Barham. I've down loaded it,thanks for posting it.

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Old 29-08-2009, 23:16
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Yes Dave, a wonderfull depiction of a proud ship displaying all it and it's crew has to offer, to all who would care to look... it is great to see the like recorded for posterity. Absolutely lovely! Little h
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Old 30-08-2009, 11:34
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Gentlemen!!!

I am well rewarded! Keep it going!!

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Old 30-08-2009, 11:57
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There's a really good insight into Naval rivalry in this account from a letter sent home by a crew member of Hms Phoebe who won the trophy in 1948, he describes the Kiwi's as fun loving hooligans......

Here's the link... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/r.pavel...Fleet_1950.pdf


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Old 30-08-2009, 17:38
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the last time i saw a squadron cock competition was in 1997 when the 5 original sandowns made up mcm3. my ship cromer won it and we had a cock to display on the bridge roof.
i havent seen or competed for it since then, but then since we are continually swapping ships companies around to man the two in the gulf maybe have a trophy with mcm1 crew 7 engraved on it rather than a ships name is less romantic!
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Old 01-09-2009, 09:34
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the last time i saw a squadron cock competition was in 1997 when the 5 original sandowns made up mcm3. my ship cromer won it and we had a cock to display on the bridge roof.
i havent seen or competed for it since then, but then since we are continually swapping ships companies around to man the two in the gulf maybe have a trophy with mcm1 crew 7 engraved on it rather than a ships name is less romantic!
The Portsmouth Squadron of Ton boats had something similar in the eighties when I was on the Iveston we had it for a while and it was also displayed on the bridge roof.
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I know this should be in the Raleigh thread but a mile pull in cutters was held between us and the Tiffs called "Head of the River" with the obvious connotations I am leaving it at that
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:02
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Wow! What have I started. I love the stories - perhaps I should have joined the wrens and heard them first hand? OR perhaps I should have married into the service?!!!!!

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Old 01-09-2009, 11:23
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Wow! What have I started. I love the stories - perhaps I should have joined the wrens and heard them first hand? OR perhaps I should have married into the service?!!!!!

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Here is the image of Barham with the Cock o'the Fleet trophy on B turret

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Found a newspaper cutting on BARHAM returning to UK with the COTF on B Turret.
Scroll down the left hand column about halfway down the page.

http://www.worldisround.com/articles/16107/

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Old 02-09-2009, 08:35
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Wasn't a fleet regatta as such during my time in Andrew (probably due to lack of ships by this time)........do recall that the pulling races at GANGES were something of a religion in Blake Division.........I thought "chucking up party" onboard the MFV as near as I need be involved.

Dave 220 might be able to fill in details for me, but somewhere in 1958/60 we took part in a "Cruiser Regatta" v the Indian Navy ships MYSORE & DELHI. Won it of course!
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Here is the image of Barham with the Cock o'the Fleet trophy on B turret

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Dave what class was Barham,interested because Barham is a small country town in New South Wales 25 km away across the Murray from us.
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