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Old 13-01-2011, 16:06
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not irate and no big issue
this is an internet talking shop not the UN security council.
I don't have a problem with the way the weather is presented on tv: you do. No big deal
I taught in a securue unit for boys who had committed seriouis crimes-the most serious you can think of.Before that |I taught in middle schools, I am also a qualified psychiatric nurse, leaving the profession at charge nurse level. Why do you need to know this?
I asked what? you taught,.. not who?
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I asked what? you taught,.. not who?
manners. You look like you could use a few lessons.
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Old 13-01-2011, 16:36
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That's twice you have avoided answering the question.
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Old 13-01-2011, 16:41
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Just finished watching GIFT HORSE, on channel 430. (Film4+1)

Loosely based on the raid on St Nazairre, made in 1952.
Usual cast of British actors. (John Mills, David Attenborough..et al)

Best of all, the uniforms of all characters were spot on! Officers, ratings, wrens, and soldiers. Although made on a very tight budget, great care was taken in delivering the dress codes!
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That's twice you have avoided answering the question.
that's three times you've been ill mannered
who the hell do you think you are?
what has my profession got to do with a discussion about a television programme?
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Old 13-01-2011, 17:32
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That's twice you have avoided answering the question.
Without wishing to be contentious, why should someone divulge their personal details to you, particularly in a public forum?

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Just finished watching GIFT HORSE, on channel 430. (Film4+1)

Loosely based on the raid on St Nazairre, made in 1952.
Usual cast of British actors. (John Mills, David Attenborough..et al)
David Attenborough? Richard Attenborough, surely? However, I'm not going to get upset over such a 'minor' inaccuracy.

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Best of all, the uniforms of all characters were spot on! Officers, ratings, wrens, and soldiers. Although made on a very tight budget, great care was taken in delivering the dress codes!
I daresay it was much easier to find WWII paraphernalia 7 years after the war than 66 years afterwards. Much of it would still have been in use and the memories of the producers and the viewing public would have been fresh. Indeed, John Mills and Richard Attenborough both served in the forces during WWII.
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Old 13-01-2011, 18:13
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that's three times you've been ill mannered
who the hell do you think you are?
what has my profession got to do with a discussion about a television programme?
Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.
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Old 13-01-2011, 18:30
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Hey up , whoa and desist.

Everyone on this forum is entitled to their opinion , if you don't like it , offer an alternative for consideration and perhaps discussion.

But this is now descending into the realm of "getting personal" and those debates were usually held at tot time but forgotten by standeasy.

Personal attacks are not what this forum is all about and I for one call upon the Moderator to either close this thread or block the attacks and return it to it's intended purpose.

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Old 13-01-2011, 18:34
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Hey up , whoa and desist.

Everyone on this forum is entitled to their opinion , if you don't like it , offer an alternative for consideration and perhaps discussion.

But this is now descending into the realm of "getting personal" and those debates were usually held at tot time but forgotten by standeasy.

Personal attacks are not what this forum is all about and I for one call upon the Moderator to either close this thread or block the attacks and return it to it's intended purpose.

Warning - don't throw flak at me cos' I won't bite.

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I agree with that, Dave.
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Blessed are the meek,for they shall inherit the earth-----and they shall beat their swords into ploughshares,etc.

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Old 13-01-2011, 18:40
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Blessed are the meek,for they shall inherit the earth-----and they shall beat their swords into ploughshares,etc.

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Well said, Jainso31.
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The question of "does accuracy matter in a televison drama?" has arisen again, this time from a different source. I read this a couple of days ago and thought it relevant to the current discussion.

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Young Doctors Learn Bad Habits from TV Medical Drama

"A recent study shows that medical dramas like ER have actually been influencing how real life doctors perform procedures.

When physicians at an Alberta hospital asked why so many medical students and residents were using a faulty technique for inserting life-saving breathing tubes in patients, they received an unexpected answer: It's television's fault.

Many of the doctors in training said they had learned the procedure from watching medical dramas. And a subsequent analysis of the show ER revealed its fictional MDs and nurses performed intubations incorrectly almost every time.

The findings, just published in the journal Resuscitation, revive an intriguing debate over whether entertainment TV has an obligation to portray medicine accurately, and underline what some see as chronic flaws in the system of training Canada's physicians.

"We were a bit shocked," said Dr. Peter Brindley, the critical-care specialist at the University of Alberta Hospital who discovered the students' extra-curricular secret. "The important lesson here is that we can't leave medical education to chance alone."

Intubation is the insertion of a tube down the windpipe, usually so a patient can be hooked up to a mechanical ventilator when they are unable to breathe properly on their own.

The first step is to position the head properly so the tube can be quickly and easily installed.

Dr. Brindley said he and his colleague, Dr. Craig Needham, noticed that many students and residents - medical-school graduates training in specialities such as anesthesia, surgery and emergency care - positioned the head incorrectly.
 
Such a slip-up can make bad outcomes more likely when time is of the essence and "it's a matter of life and death," he said."
 
Why is this relevant? When the level of knowledge about our history, and history in general, is so abysmally low among he population at large. It is doubly important to get historical dramas as accurate as possible.

When so many people learn the little they know from television, the broadcast of a single event is probably all the "education" they will get about that event, just as reading a single book about an event can leave a false impression. But at least there are probably another dozen you can read to get a balanced view. You cannot choose to view a different television account.

Such dramas are wide open to misrepresentation. Most, if not all, the dialogue is made up, making the whole thing a fiction. A real person's character is determined by the writer, director and actor, whereby a look, emphasis on certain words, even a grunt, can misrepresent a character. In extreme situations you can turn 'baddies' into 'goodies' and vice versa, all at the discretion of those three persons, in the interest of providing a watchable drama that will do well in the ratings.

So does accuracy matter in a television drama? Of course it does. If most of the (presumably) intelligent and well educated doctors mentioned above were influenced by one such drama, what chance has Joe public got?

And just in case you were wondering, no I did not watch it, just as I never watch any 'historical drama', 're-enactment' or 'reconstruction'. Real history is so much more interesting.

(P.S. I have just realised how pompous that last paragraph sounds. It wasn't meant that way.)
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Old 13-01-2011, 18:57
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On a lighter note, a few years a go people complained that the actors in dads army weren't wearing the proper pouches on their webbing. The reason for this was because the costume people couldn't find enough at the time so they used army binocular cases instead. These were smaller then WW2 army issue pouches so stood out to the old soldiers !! Kevin.
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Old 13-01-2011, 19:22
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The question of "does accuracy matter in a televison drama?" has arisen again, this time from a different source. I read this a couple of days ago and thought it relevant to the current discussion.

 
Why is this relevant? When the level of knowledge about our history, and history in general, is so abysmally low among he population at large. It is doubly important to get historical dramas as accurate as possible.

When so many people learn the little they know from television, the broadcast of a single event is probably all the "education" they will get about that event, just as reading a single book about an event can leave a false impression. But at least there are probably another dozen you can read to get a balanced view. You cannot choose to view a different television account.

Such dramas are wide open to misrepresentation. Most, if not all, the dialogue is made up, making the whole thing a fiction. A real person's character is determined by the writer, director and actor, whereby a look, emphasis on certain words, even a grunt, can misrepresent a character. In extreme situations you can turn 'baddies' into 'goodies' and vice versa, all at the discretion of those three persons, in the interest of providing a watchable drama that will do well in the ratings.

So does accuracy matter in a television drama? Of course it does. If most of the (presumably) intelligent and well educated doctors mentioned above were influenced by one such drama, what chance has Joe public got?

And just in case you were wondering, no I did not watch it, just as I never watch any 'historical drama', 're-enactment' or 'reconstruction'. Real history is so much more interesting.
As usual. Bill; you make perfect sense, as far as I'm concerned.
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I'm with Bill on this, too. When creating a drama which is said to portray a real event we can discount minor errors in costume etc, but accuracy, certainly on the facts as they are known, is paramount.

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The question of "does accuracy matter in a televison drama?" has arisen again, this time from a different source. I read this a couple of days ago and thought it relevant to the current discussion...
Bill,

The second quotation in Post #120 might look a tad familiar.
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Old 14-01-2011, 09:05
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Just finished watching GIFT HORSE, on channel 430. (Film4+1)

Loosely based on the raid on St Nazairre, made in 1952.
Usual cast of British actors. (John Mills, David Attenborough..et al)

Best of all, the uniforms of all characters were spot on! Officers, ratings, wrens, and soldiers. Although made on a very tight budget, great care was taken in delivering the dress codes!

neither are in the film. David Attenborough isn't even an actor, although his brother Richard is.
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Old 14-01-2011, 10:11
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neither are in the film. David Attenborough isn't even an actor, although his brother Richard is.
The cast of 'Gift Horse', together with a synopsis of the story, can be found here. Interestingly, Charles Lloyd Pack, who played the ship's doctor, was the father of Roger Lloyd Pack who played Trig in 'Only Fools & Horses', Owen in 'The Vicar of Dibley' and Tom in 'The Old Guys' among his many other roles.
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The cast of 'Gift Horse', together with a synopsis of the story, can be found here. Interestingly, Charles Lloyd Pack, who played the ship's doctor, was the father of Roger Lloyd Pack who played Trig in 'Only Fools & Horses', Owen in 'The Vicar of Dibley' and Tom in 'The Old Guys' among his many other roles.
I find it amazing that sam Kydd isn't in it.
Attenborough's cameo as the bolshy seaman is excellent 'life on the modern dreadnought' indeed.

It's a quality film right enough
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The second quotation in Post #120 might look a tad familiar.
Apologies Rob, I obviously missed your posting first time round. I first read the article in the Mail or Telegraph on Monday I think, not realising that it was an old story.
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Taking note of the posting in Thread U CLASS SUBMARINES by BARNSEY in the Forum regarding a TV Series - has any devotee of this Thread any knowledge of the Insp.MORSE series on ITV. BARNSEY/I are most interested to find info re the pic of a submarine in the office of the Chief Constable as depicted by actor ??? (rather large rotund fellow). It interested me many years ago, but failed to follow up interest. The follow-up series of LEWIS may `give a clue' (pun intended !!)
As has been written `I ain't not got a clue' !!

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Taking note of the posting in Thread U CLASS SUBMARINES by BARNSEY in the Forum regarding a TV Series - has any devotee of this Thread any knowledge of the Insp.MORSE series on ITV. BARNSEY/I are most interested to find info re the pic of a submarine in the office of the Chief Constable as depicted by actor ??? (rather large rotund fellow). It interested me many years ago, but failed to follow up interest. The follow-up series of LEWIS may `give a clue' (pun intended !!)
As has been written `I ain't not got a clue' !!

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Yes I remember seeing that picture in the backgound but could not identify it. His boss was Chief Sup Strange played by James Grout. There was one episode of Morse which was shot down here when Morse came down to Portsmouth to take part in a Court Martial. It was quite a good episode but a long time ago now.
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INVIN, thanks for that info.
Any idea as to who the Director / Producer was ??
Also, any idea as to the Makers of the series ??
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Here I answer my own questions - after having engaged brain & consulted the video's I have of MORSE.
James Grout was in all of these (that I have) ;
The Wench is Dead
Second Time Around
The Death of the Self

Now to start watching !!

Screenplay - Malcolm Bradbury
Novel by - Colin Dexter
Producer - Chris Burt
Director - Robert Knoights
Exec Producer - Ted Childs
Carlton Television

Anyone got any more ?? Anyone know these fellows ??
Wonder if any `subscribe' to this Forum ???

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Here I answer my own questions - after having engaged brain & consulted the video's I have of MORSE.
James Grout was in all of these (that I have) ;
The Wench is Dead
Second Time Around
The Death of the Self

Now to start watching !!

Screenplay - Malcolm Bradbury
Novel by - Colin Dexter
Producer - Chris Burt
Director - Robert Knoights
Exec Producer - Ted Childs
Carlton Television

Anyone got any more ?? Anyone know these fellows ??
Wonder if any `subscribe' to this Forum ???

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Dennis,

Well done.
I wonder if anybody has the Morse episode shot in HMS NELSON and Portsmouth Naval Base. It had some good ship views and an interesting portrayal of a naval court martial. It was sometime ago.
Sadly we still have the courts martial taking part in HMS NELSON. Brief details are posted at the entrance gates and some get into the local papers.
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