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Old 07-07-2009, 21:57
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Not knowing anything about Radio transmitters used in the present day RN is it all UHF/VHF or SW?

Do they use side-bands?

Do they still use morse code or is it now direct speech?

What sort of frequencies do warships use these days?

Just curious!
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Old 07-07-2009, 22:06
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Terry, Long time since I served but I would imagine it's still UHF and VHF

Don't think morse code is used anymore.

Transmissions in my day were via Teleprinters, mechanical and electro-mechanical, no doubt these have been updated. Voice transmissions were sent via coders and de-coders at the other end.

Frequencies I'm afraid come under official secrets......although it's safe to say that certain frequencies were allocated to countries, hence the need for coders and de-coders to be used.

These had billions of combinations and changed at regular intervals depending on level of security so even if the combinations fell into enemy hands they wouldn't be able to follow any pattern as by the time they worked out one combination it would have already changed to another.

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Old 07-07-2009, 22:22
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Thanks alan. That gives me a picture.
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Old 07-07-2009, 22:25
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Alan/Terry,

In the stages of this thread I have included links about historical or antique pieces of equipment, but also included you will find a link that advises of the move to satellite and encrypted communications!!! and it ain't recent either.

Also it is after my time in the mob but followed on as the natural progression to what my function in the pusser was all about. Quite rewarding in a passive sort of way really

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This might amuse some of you - musical morse

http://www.zerobeat.net/morse505.html?fix

and if you want some serious practice - play with this one

http://www.omnicron.com/~ford/java/NMorse.html

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Excuse me for jumping back a bit but.... I loved the musical morse (thankyou Fairlead)....I just wished I had learned morse when I was younger. (Out of curiousity I learned sign language...mainly so we could "talk" behind our tch's backs without getting in trouble!)

With regard to the morse though (and please don't all think I'm barmy) -but when my Dad was lying comatose in his last few days - at night time I could hear streams of morse as I was trying to get to sleep.

Prior to that (when he was in hospital) my dear old Dad, bless him, had been trying to send morse via his remote control for his T.V. set. (verbalising the dits and dahs), got himself extremely distressed that he wasn't getting any response

Also, thanks Dave...and yes I'm sure he could have gone on to bigger ships and "better" things - but as you know from the Aegean thread...he LOVED being on MGB 357 - I don't recall him ever refering to it as a "pokey little boat" - more like a "lucky, *tiddly boat" - with a very close knit crew. They had quite an important job and I think his Skipper was happy to have Dad with them.
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p.s. That reminds me Terry, I couldn't find a better reference to *tiddly - than the one you had found.
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Old 08-07-2009, 02:59
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Bee

I had no intention of demeaning these little boats. They did a very important job during the war, much of it undercover and all the dangers that that entailed and did it very well. My one regret about my time in the RN was that I didn't get a chance to serve on the "Little boats" and I do suffer from a tinge of envy when I read in this forum, "When I was on the Flintham, Dittisham" etc.
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Fair enough Dave,
I guess that sometimes I'm a bit defensive (sorry)...as there was so little mention and recognition for the smaller vessels.
I think it was in the 1980s when a couple of old WW2 Coastal Forces matelots got together and decided to rectify the situation and started up the Coastal Forces Assoc & newsletter...which was printed until 2007. Then it folded for a while - but is now up and running again - in electronic form (although I think hardcopies are once again available.)

Anyway, I can understand you having a tinge of envy - for there was probably a lot more leeway (with regards to following the letter of the law) on the smaller boats. Also everyone knew everyone else - so it was like a little family group. (Which was really good when everyone got on well...as they did on my Dad's boat.)

A lot of the missions my father went on would have been covert...so we never have been able to find out too much info. as to their activities - also they would have been under the official secrets act, (so Dad wouldn't have told us anything sensitive), but I have no idea how long that lasts. I should think that over 60 years should be long enough???

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Old 10-07-2009, 20:53
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Been a bit QRT on here lately - Gulf HF syndrome?
Anyway here is one to get you all going again.....
I have just read and unpublished book on the subject of the Atlantic Convoys, written by an RN CO of two escorts during the Battle of (for) the Atlantic. When he took command of his second ship he was delighted to have an new radio set called a TBS (Talk Between Ships) .....his description, not mine.
Now many of us tweeked the knobs of that series of equipment, the most well known was of course the TCS (Talk to coastal shore stations?), then there was the TBM and TBL - anyone remember them in the battles?

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Old 10-07-2009, 21:29
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Fairlead, somewhere earlier in this thread one of my links included them and I think Trot was first to make ref to using them.

I'll see if I can trawl thru and drag them to the fore again

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Thanks Bee! As many on the forum will no doubt testify - I am nothing but trying!!
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Most long range communications is now done through satellite. Basically, maritime internet.
Yes, HF is still in use, but mainly for back-up.
No, morse with the exception of flashing light, is now dead.
V/UHF are still in use, and I suppose that is about all "we" have in common with modern communicators, unless of course you are an internet "buff".

The MCO/MWO/BWO/WT Office in the type 45 consists of three computer monitors in the Ops Room.
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Old 11-07-2009, 12:51
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have a shufti at this link for auld lang syne:-

http://www.godfreydykes.info/A%20NAV...0%20PERIOD.htm

and this one:-

http://www.eddystoneusergroup.org.uk...e%20Report.pdf

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Ah, the Twicer, now that was a heavy book, wonnit?
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Old 13-07-2009, 16:10
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Hi Fairlead,

Remember the T Series well, as stated before we had them on the CH Destroyers - 2 TCS's, 1 TBL, 1 TBS - it was said that the TCS was found later in the war to have been responsible for the sinking or damage of RN/RCN/US naval units because when in it's standby state it actually reradiated and the U Boats were able to home in on it - being our resident "T" boffin - was there any truth in that one??

Of course the period we are on was early 50's and we were blessed with that monster the 87M for aircraft working - damned great cabinets with nothing inside.

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Hi All,
Unable to QSL from Malta due to dodgy communications. Back in the messdeck so will post a few photographs when sorted out the camera/computer. The daily temp was in the mid 30s but the hopeleaf was ice cold.

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Old 14-07-2009, 11:24
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Hey Guys - surf across to HMS Raleigh Open Day thread - BuntingBob has made a wartalk slur on Ganges [b]KIDS[b].

He has been warned to expect "incoming salvos"

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Hey Guys - surf across to HMS Raleigh Open Day thread - BuntingBob has made a wartalk slur on Ganges [b]KIDS[b].

He has been warned to expect "incoming salvos"

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First 'lot' delivered!!!! with affection from one ov yer Ganges ladz!!!
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Hi Derek - Welcome home, glad you had a gud'un. Didn't encounter many ded gharri 'orses on Crucifix Hill then??.

Malta - I luv's er, but 'er indoors can't unnerstand the reason - but then she was never there with the fleet, and of course we was 50 plus younger and the memories linger on.

Did you manage to stand to overlooking Grand Harbour from the Lascaris Signal Tower [and think "Where's the Ships"?]

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Come on lads - all the fun of the fair - load up and fire - Aunt BuntingBob asked for it.
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Another Ganges boy sent stuff over to the 12 week wonder!!!!!!

(I think that I got a hit)
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Frankly I'm gutted! I was at sea with Bunting Bob and he always seemed like a good hand to me. Had I realised he had been dragged up at Raleigh I would have treated him with distain back then. I feel I should point out to him that Exmouth 273 class (the opposite class to me in my mess) successfully outrowed the Raleigh boys in a cutter and won the cup for Ganges. That would have been in 65 I think. Not bad for the non-rowers of Ganges eh? But Bob can be forgiven for not possessing this knowledge.
Fairlead I became an RO (useless) in 64. Funnily we never thought of ourselves as useless because as ex-Ganges boys we could do anything and so much better than those others!!!


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RO(U). Wonderful scheme? Really didn't like my "Bunting" time. Particularly on and open bridge ship, and never really understood those "Screen" things.
Some idiot thought, because I could operate an "FH4" and the earlier "UA" series that I would like to be a Golly, so, apparently I volunteered to "Subspec" in that direction. Fairly soon got out of that, and became a "G".

As for six week wonders? Can't march, can't look after their kit, and if memory serves, were always being looked after by Ganges boys at Mercury.
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"As for six week wonders? Can't march, can't look after their kit, and if memory serves, were always being looked after by Ganges boys at Mercury"

I think that the evindence is damning and the charge is proven
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Jan,
64 I was a New Entry Instructor at Mercury but my class (ex GANGES) were all sparkers - I just had to decide their fate! G SM or W. Much of my time as an instructor at STC Kranji 66 - 68 was sub-spec courses (Technical and AT) and of course Provisonals.

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Did my "Twos" at Kranji in '67 whilst Daring was doing DED.
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