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Old 08-07-2009, 04:28
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Ivor.there is a book which gives good detail of RN uniforms and rigs about WW2 period.It's from Osprey Publishing.title The Royal Navy 1939-45.
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Thank you John I will see if I can find it
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Old 08-07-2009, 07:11
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Ivor the history of naval uniform is long and complex. In the olden days, and I'm talking of the 18th century here, sailors more or less joined a ship rather than the navy. They could be away from home for years on end and even though they took clothes with them they obviously would not last indefinately. Matelots usually took work clothes; anything to keep them warm and dry, and often a better set of 'tiddly clothes' just in case they got the chance to go ashore or were employed as boat's crews etc for the officers.
All the contemporary writing states that sailors ashore could be easily identified as they dressed differently to others. Most notably the short jacket worn which could be worn aloft etc. Some spare clothing would be carried onboard and 'jack' normally paid through the nose for his replacements. These 'slops' were usually all exactly the same: short, 'blue jackets' (hence the old WW1 and before name for sailors) and white trousers generally with a red stripe or blue pinstripe. To go ashore matelots would usually have a bright red waistcoat too. Some captain (whose name escapes me) paid to have his boats crew dressed the same. As more and more sailors bought kit from the 'slop chest' they gradually all dressed the same. The uniform was born. In later times the uniform largely paid homage to sailors work traditions.Bell bottoms could easily be rolled up to scrub decks, the lanyard carried a knife or spike for working aloft, the silk became a sweat band when manning guns or doing heavy work. Jackets were worn tight again for safety aloft. When pigtails were the thing the officers dressed theirs with french chalk but poor jack had to use tallow and flour. To keep this pigtail off of his jacket he wore a blue collar. Myth dictates that the three white lines on a sailors collar commemorate Nelson's great victories but this probably has more to do with a matelots love of 'tiddly' things. Jack originally painted his ship's name on his hat which in turn became our cap ribbons.
So I hope this has gone part way to help understand the traditional matelots outfit.

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Old 08-07-2009, 14:45
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There are english words associated with sailors clothing. Prior to a regulation uniform, Captains used to dress their boat's crew in whatever took their fancy. The Captain of HMS Blazer dressed his crew in blue & white vertical striped jackets, which became popular ashore, the blazer was born.
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Thank you Jan and Keith this all helps fill in the jigsaw for me
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Hi John O'C

Ref your post #136, I actually am well aware of the 'Royal' connections for the colour 'purple' for the engineering branch. My comment was a light hearted tongue in cheek dig at Ivor the Diver, in the best possible taste of course. I note that you are a fairly new member to the forum and have obviously not come across ItD yet, but I can assure you that you will the longer you browse the forum!!!!! ItD will know that my comments are only in jest, but being affiliated to the stoker branch by marriage, once or even more removed he is a bit slow on the uptake sometimes......................!!!

Awaiting broadside in reply from ItD!!

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Old 08-07-2009, 20:13
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Hi John O'C

Ref your post #136, I actually am well aware of the 'Royal' connections for the colour 'purple' for the engineering branch. My comment was a light hearted tongue in cheek dig at Ivor the Diver, in the best possible taste of course. I note that you are a fairly new member to the forum and have obviously not come across ItD yet, but I can assure you that you will the longer you browse the forum!!!!! ItD will know that my comments are only in jest, but being affiliated to the stoker branch by marriage, once or even more removed he is a bit slow on the uptake sometimes......................!!!

Awaiting broadside in reply from ItD!!

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It has been implied by the lower rankers[ careful laddy] that the Prestigious Purple thread to which Mik eludes was an indication that Gods own superior chosen few The Stokers were a less manly crew than the Dabtoes

Which we all know is a load of Bilge Don't WE
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"Which we all know is a load of Bilge Don't WE"

WE don't know anything of the sort!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-07-2009, 21:24
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ohh my gawd who on earth(not heaven) cranked up the ITD as being of Buck House extraction..... get the Tower ready for 'im!!!!!

He is a diver we have seen 'im in the uniform (sic), he is only yer hon stokie boy and any suggestion that purple is associated with him has to stop, before the irmine debate begins.

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Just to clarify the situation regarding purple........

Old uniforms for sailors as everybody knows commenced with red tunics...... if someone was shot it would disguise the blood and thus prevent panic among the ranks


Stokers wore brown.................

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Was that Brown tunics or just brown trousers!!!!!
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Dave.........I think they were all in ones, so whatever was in there couldn't escape if you get my drift

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Mik43.
I stand suitably chastised.As an old RAN stoker and with a great respect for the much maligned branch I can only say that anybody who would marry one has my sympathy.Just ask my wife.

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I stand suitably chastised.As an old RAN stoker and with a great respect for the much maligned branch I can only say that anybody who would marry one has my sympathy.Just ask my wife.

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Chastised ? no .....and your wife becomes a LADY by default as she married a STOKER !

John these creeps should be bowing and groveling at your feet as you enter the room......
The only reason the Strip system for trades was dropped was because the Admiralty worked out how much it was going to cost to fit Ermine cuffs as well to Stokers No1s ....but not to our working cloths as that would be impractical would it not ?
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Thanks Ivor, you've brightened up considerably what has been a rather trying day, and I still can't stop laughing....................!!!!

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Ermine...eerrmmmm

That is some kind of rat isn't it????????
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Stop it qpr!!!! Now you will have well and truly wound him up!!!!!!

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Ermine...eerrmmmm

That is some kind of rat isn't it????????

NO dear boy....... not in the dignified circles we Stokers move in

now if you want me to expand on the dignified branch ..I suggest you join me in the Wardroom where we can discuss it on your Mess Bill perhaps
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Ivor. Just a little private posting for your eyes only.Did you ever notice that in the olden days that sailors used to live on salt pork,hard tack and weevils and drink bilge water.It was only with the arrival of Stokers that they finally had a chance to live as gentlemen or at least associate with them. And do something other than pick oakum and holleystone decks.
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We built the Empire and ruled the waves without the help of the Greasy Oilies. The Ship was cleaner without the oily footprints that infest the warships in later years!!!!!!!!!!!!

Without the Oilies dumping that odious stuff into the sea we could use that.

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I think I have recovered from hysterical laughter....the notion that Stokers are "elite"....or whatever!

It was surely not by accident that the stokers messdeck was known as "The Jungle", due to being occupied by "animals"!!

I am proud to have been a member of the REAL "elite"......."Upper Deck Technician, Cable & Wire Manipulator".

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Ivor. Be careful in your reply to my last it would appear there are those out there who are not gentlemen and would read another chaps mail.
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Right seems a good thread to bring this up........on another site a few of we navy types were discussing uniforms....and trying to cast memories back to the differences.

For example......we all remembered No.8's were light blue shirt, blue trousers, working rig.........however, what was the difference between:-

10's..........white front, white shorts, blue socks and black shoes.....and

10A's.........and 10AR's?
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I think that one was No. 8s shirts or better still, the shirts that you could get from the Chinese Tailor, blue shorts, black stockings and black shoes the other was the same but sandels instead of shoes and stockings
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Go with that qpr..........typed the darn thing enough on Daily Orders...........but what was Blue Shorts, sandals, optional shirts........a variety of 10AR?
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I don't know if negative shirts were "official uniform." It was just something that everyone did and nobody said anything.

I know one time, I think that it was Casablanca, that they said that shirts and caps had to be worn at all times on the upper deck. Pissed us off no end. Can't remember why they did that. It was the only place that we had to do it.
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