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Old 16-06-2009, 07:19
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QPR in your time blue shorts, shirts and sandals were 10ARs.

Little H wasn't the tailor in the Mercury Nissen hut "Daufman"?

Most of us bought a "tiddly" suit from the naval tailor to go ashore in. We seemed to take a lot of pride in our appearance back then. Like beeswaxing our silks to make them shine, seven or five knife-edged creases in our bell bottoms, a decent bow wave in our caps and the bow of our cap ribbons tied around an old penny to form it into more of a rosette. There was nobody in the world smarter than "Jack" off ashore on a rig run. Some of the Far East Fleet lads would have dragons on the inside of the jacket cuffs. These they would often turn back. The bright assorted silks of the dragons would dazzle the natives!

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Old 16-06-2009, 14:34
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"in your time blue shorts, shirts and sandals were 10ARs."

You're right Jan

Wasn't 10s Blue shirt blue shorts dark stockings and black shoes?
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Old 16-06-2009, 14:35
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Who thought that wearing boots and gaiters with shorts looked stupid???
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Old 16-06-2009, 14:41
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Almost as silly as seeing the present day female sailors in sailor suits!!

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Old 16-06-2009, 16:39
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My allotment was to Bernard's of Harwich and covered all sorts of purchases apart from uniform. While in Chatham on blank week you could order your railway ticket for a Friday while and pick it up from the shop in Military Road on the way to the station. They also had an early version of an Argos catalogue as I used it to buy Christmas presents as well and they would deliver to your home.

A related query has come up, partly due to old age and loss of memory, concerning branch badges. At the VE Day do recently there were a number of 're-enactors' (I think that is the correct term) in various uniforms and wartime civvies, including a number of German Panzers who attacked the castle defended by British Infantry. The Germans lost, of course, but it was well choreographed and it was a nice sunny day so they didn't seem too upset.

(Stop wittering, you old fool and get on with it). From a distance I spotted a rating in square rig with a propellor on his right arm with a star above and a star below. I couldn't see his left arm so I don't know what rank he held and unfortunately I didn't get a chance to speak to him. Normally a single star above would indicate a Stoker 1 or Leading Stoker and a crown above would indicate a PO or Chief. I assumed that he had got it wrong but delving into some old photos I came across the group photo for the Mechs Course in 1951/52. Down in the bottom right was PO Monroe with a star above and a star below while POs Askew and Thompson next to him have crowns. I have cropped the section from the photo and hope that someone can enlighten me. I ought to know, after all I was in the branch long enough, but I just can't remember and it is annoying me.

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Old 16-06-2009, 17:04
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The Badge is for a Leading M.E.M. (Stoker)

A leading stoker might have one star because he has just been promoted. He will have to go on course at the end of his time on the ship that he was on when promoted.

Also, he might have been demoted for some reason. They might take his "Hook" off of him but not his trade Badge

As above. A P/O with 2 stars might have been just promoted and awaiting a P.O.M.E.s course
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Old 16-06-2009, 17:45
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The Badge is for a Leading M.E.M. (Stoker)

A leading stoker might have one star because he has just been promoted. He will have to go on course at the end of his time on the ship that he was on when promoted.

Also, he might have been demoted for some reason. They might take his "Hook" off of him but not his trade Badge

As above. A P/O with 2 stars might have been just promoted and awaiting a P.O.M.E.s course
Thanks Dave I'm beginning to warm to you as you are obviously besotted with us Stokers..I feel guilty know for organizing your transfer to Auz to join Harry
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Old 16-06-2009, 17:53
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It's not only stokers that use the system. Electricians work in the same way. As I was leaving, the seamen were about to do it as well

This stopped A/Bs from being senior to L/S in there professional capacity.

I was a A/B UC2 and I was senior to a L/S UC3 (one star) in the S.C.R. (Sonar Control Room)
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Old 16-06-2009, 19:01
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I was a Greenie and one star above branch badge was 1st Class Electrical Mechanic, one star above and one star below branch badge was Leading Hand Qualified, Crown above branch badge was qualified Petty Officer, it was the same for Stokers.
It was common to have an Acting LEM with one star above the branch badge, that would be prior to completing his Leading Hands course. Also, an Acting POEL could have two stars and he would get the crown on completion of PO's course.
Both Stokers and Electricians, in the 1960's, had short rosters for advancement and it was common to get promoted before completing the qualifying course. Other branches, such as some of the seamen sub specialists, were only promoted into "dead mens shoes". Consequently, three badge killicks, or Leading Hands with a crown above there branch badge were more common in those.
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Old 16-06-2009, 19:34
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I came across this site a long time ago but I think it is worth sharing as many questions can be answered whilst browsing through it.
I think Ivor will find it most interesting.
Let me know how you all get on with it.

http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

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Old 16-06-2009, 19:44
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Thank you very much Bob, I have book marked that for inspection on related items

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Old 16-06-2009, 19:49
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In his first post that man ivorthediver makes much of the fact that 'engineering' were at the top for coloured inserts. Strangely, he omits to mention the colour of the engineering inserts, which as we all know were PURPLE - need I say more.........................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

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Old 16-06-2009, 20:11
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In his first post that man ivorthediver makes much of the fact that 'engineering' were at the top for coloured inserts. Strangely, he omits to mention the colour of the engineering inserts, which as we all know were PURPLE - need I say more.........................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

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Sorry Mik...... run that by me again Whats wrong with purple am I missing some thing here
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Old 16-06-2009, 20:22
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How can I say this tactfully

Purple is the colour that denotes that men like errrrrmmmm other men

Mind you!!!!!!!!

Purple was the Colour of the Jacobite uprising and showed that you were for Charles Edward Stewart (Bonny Prince Charlie)

Soooooo
Take your choice!!!!!!!!
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Old 16-06-2009, 20:37
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No.1s was your best uniform. With gold badges. and medals.
No.2s was second best uniform but with red badges. This was for Duty i.e. Gangway staff.
No.3s was 3rd best uniform. This was worn where uniform was required but may get dirty. For the gods gifted few this was for entering harbour under procedure A & B. (Alpha :- Entering/Leaving harbour where ships company, not required for duty clear lower deck and man the upper deck. Bravo:- Where only the men required for entering/leaving harbour are required. Procedure C:- Only the men required for entering/leaving harbour are required. These are rigged in No.8s)

I forget what No.4s are

No.6s Full dress White uniform for use instead of No.1s in tropical areas

No.8s Dark blue Trousers, Light blue shirt. Used as general working rig.

No.10s Dark Blue shorts and No.8s shirt. Used as per No.8s in tropical areas. Sandals were used with No.10s

There was also 6As, which, I think, was White front and white trousers and white shoes

Issued:- 2pr boots, 1pr shoes, 2 pr Sandals, 2pr white shoes

This was in my time 1966-1978
The RAN was very much the same qprdave. From memory No 4's was blue suit and collar with that short sleeve blue woolen jumper - mostly worn as night clothing in colder areas.

No 10's was white shorts, white front, black stocking socks and black shoes.

10A's was blue shorts (working), No. 8 shirt, black stocking socks and black shoes. Footwear could be relaxed to sandals at sea or in the tropics.

There was also 2A's, which was bell bottom (blue) trousers and white front.

The tailor of choice for most of the RAN was "Red Anchor". Still going today.

I remember the tiddly No.1 suit I had made in Hong Kong. Great piece of gear. Lightweight blue material with button down flap on the trousers instead of a clasp and zipper. Worked a treat at the movies with the girlfriend.
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Old 16-06-2009, 20:41
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How can I say this tactfully

Purple is the colour that denotes that men like errrrrmmmm other men

Mind you!!!!!!!!

Purple was the Colour of the Jacobite uprising and showed that you were for Charles Edward Stewart (Bonny Prince Charlie)

Soooooo
Take your choice!!!!!!!!
How strange .....................

I would have associated purple with "mourning" and the "cloth" not shirt lifters [you know laundry people]
Why not pink for the "Chosen colour"
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Old 17-06-2009, 07:24
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How strange .....................

I would have associated purple with "mourning" and the "cloth" not shirt lifters [you know laundry people]
Why not pink for the "Chosen colour"
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everyone knows that the difference between Pink and Purple is the strength of your grip!
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Old 17-06-2009, 07:37
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Ivor being as you are only an honorary matelot we all make allowances for your lack of understanding but I feel that it should be pointed out to you that "Shirt Lifters" had nothing to do with the laundry! That title belonged to men of a different sexual persuasion to the norm.

To quote dear Oscar: "Education is a wonderful thing, however, it is worth remembering from time to time that nothing worth knowing can be taught."

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Old 17-06-2009, 09:49
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Hi Jan.

Remember wet weather rig at Ganges. Sports shirt and shorts boots (leather) covered with an oilskin.

God knows what number that was.

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Old 17-06-2009, 10:08
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Hello Bunts
Yes, I do remember! Didn't we look stunning?

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Old 17-06-2009, 11:50
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I am still proud to have worn the Navy uniform always felt good going ashore wearing it, several memories come to mind such as trying to get your collar a lighter blue (a little bleach?) any one else do this, also getting the bow wave on your cap, also wearing the black jersey under your top for winter and changing to white for summer, also I think out of the three services werent
our boots the only ones without toe caps? or is my memory failing again, I well remember getting my first naval Tailor made to measure uniform? much better material, shaped Bell bottoms etc. we were posers werent we, but I
think our uniform gave us an advantage in the pulling stakes,
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Old 17-06-2009, 12:28
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Don't forget the cap tally bow tied or stitched over the left eye. how jaunty was that.

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Just remembered another little dit. When I received my first GCB whilst on the Agincourt 1964 in malta, went ashore that evening in full No 1's dead chuffed, thought I looked the old matelot


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Got my last noz one suite from "Tingaling's" in Tamar. Uniform 1965.
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HMS Vivid was the original name of HMNB/RNB Devonport. It was also the Stoker's training school for the command.
Name changed to HMS Drake in 1934, and Vivid later became, for a while, the RNR element.
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