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Old 21-09-2008, 09:24
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Hi All,

thought it may be a good idea to start a thread dealing with the crews of these submarines. I can hopefully help anyone who had relatives on these submarines, as many people who have their relatives papers will find that the actual submarine is not listed. A real pain for the researcher.

I have gathered many names but would love to know any details of their after navy life and so on. Part of my research is to also identify those in the crew photos and what rewards they received.

Mt interest stems from my great grandfather serving as E18's signalman while with the Russians.

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Old 21-09-2008, 15:36
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Hi Darren
Are you wanting photos of those boats on this thread or is it just information about the crews you are after. If the latter is the case, the post may get a better response on the Royal Navy Ships and Crews Forum pages.

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Hi all,

As with Darren, I'm also a decendent of one of the submariners who served in the Baltic during WW1.

I'm still trying to find out which subs he actually served on, but do know that after the war he did time on some ships, incuding HMS Hood.

His name was Albert C. S. Phillips. He joined up in 1910, and finished up in 1923. I believe he was a torpedoman, as I've seen a picture of him wearing that insignia.

I'll try to post some photo's, when I can gather them from around his other decendents, that show some of the other men he served with, which maybe of interest to someone out there.

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Old 22-09-2008, 00:40
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Hi Jim,

im interested in both, photo will certainly help to identify the crew member photos, of which i would like to put on here but unfortuantley they are the property of the RNSM.

I have attached a photo of my great graqdfather from the E18 crew photo taken on the 9-Dec 1915. Albert Edward Robinson, signalman.

Dino, we have at least worked out your relative was an E18 man in the Baltic and is sitting next to my great grandfather, and seems to have been on E8 when she sank Prinz Adalbert. To confirm this we need a Russian Medla list, or on his actual papers, if you have them, it may list a Prize Bounty of around 300 pounds. The papers you get from the National Archives are a pain in that they do not give this information, only the copy carried by the ratings. I have looked into documents on the Bounty claim by E8, but it does not give the crews names.

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Old 22-09-2008, 01:21
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G'day again Darren,

I only have a copy of his service record which is not easy to read.
At the end of his enlistment is a reference of, "Paid final share of naval prize fund" with a sum that appears too small to be significant.

I'll attempt to track down more info through his three remaining siblings and let you know.

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Old 22-09-2008, 01:58
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Hi Dino,

i'm also trying to track down the Russian medal lists. I have the one for E1 and the torpedoing of the Moltke, and for E9 for the attack on the Torpedoboat S148, and the sinking of the German collier in June, and your grandfather is not on these lists.

There must be some lists for E8, Prinz Adalbert's sinking, and E19's Undine sinking, and maybe the July torpedoing of Prinz Adalbert by E9. Also a list for E18's crew that got the cross after they went missing.

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Old 22-09-2008, 03:15
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Hi Darren,

I've seen a picture of him receiving his cross, and the caption with it said that they were crews of the E8 & E9.
He was however, the last in the line before the Russian sailor, and I wonder if this had some significance to him maybe not being part of the "actual" crew?

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Hi, I wonder if anyone here has a photo of Robert Crosby Halahan - commander of the E18?
Hes the younger brother of my GG grandfather Capt. Henry Crosby, and ive been trying to find a photo of him for my family tree
Any help would be much appreciated
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Hi Jessica,

sent you a private message re Bob Halahan. He has no family left, but his wife remarried of which i'm in contact with her relatives from her 2nd marriage.

Cheers DB.
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Hi, I wonder if anyone here has a photo of Robert Crosby Halahan - commander of the E18?
Hes the younger brother of my GG grandfather Capt. Henry Crosby, and ive been trying to find a photo of him for my family tree
Any help would be much appreciated
Jessica
Hallo, My wifes uncle was lost on E 18 (ERA 271261 Maurice Harold Fuller) on the Portsmouth Napoleonic Society site is a full article about a A/B W G Powell with 'photos including complete crew of E18 including I presume Lt Cmdr Halahan - Powell is identified am wondering is somewhere there is a full list of crew members names & positions in the 'photo. Have you seen the article "HMS E18" on Wikipedia ? Interesting commenet about Halahans preference for using the heads when topside, nearly got yhem sunk as a result !!

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Old 22-05-2009, 08:09
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DINO, find here Submarine Service A.C.S. PHILLIPS ;

PHILLIPS ALBERT CHARLES SMITH AB ST D/J 6999
NE RN NE 280613
TC 130628 DOLPHIN MAIDSTONE DOLPHIN
E9 150509 MAIDSTONE
E9 160801 E19
SC 180115 DOLPHIN
VERNON 180302 ST
SC 180503
L17 180806 DOLPHIN MAIDSTONE
L17 180813 VICKERS BARROW.
L17 181010 MAIDSTONE DOLPHIN
K12 190731 ITHURIEL
TO VIVID G.S. AWO 2924/19 7.11.19
P.o.B ; Exmouth Devon D.o.B ; 16 December 1992
ADM 188 / 660

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Old 23-05-2009, 00:43
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Hi Mike,

thanks for the info on Fuller. I will send you a PM a bit later about him. I'm heavily involved with E18 so anything you need to ask, please do so.

Guilty as charged, that was me that put the E18 Wikapedia site together, all from patrol reports and diaries and so on, so it is accurate.

There are now, other than mine, 5 familes from E18 that have come forward.

Dennis, i correspond with the family of Phillips, they have notes he wrote on which submarines he served on. The E9 part is questionalble, he clearly desribes coming through the Baltic on E18. Around the time you have him listed on E9, he had some cell time and we are not sure what went on. He was on E18 going through, did one patrol on E8 and got a Russian Cross for this, then he is clearly on E18 again as he is in the crew photo and was in the iced up photos of Jan 1916. I then have a May 1916 photo with Spare Crew, so he left just before E18 was lost. Only after E18 was lost would he have gone to E9.

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Old 25-05-2009, 21:09
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Hi Dennis,

Thanx for this info.

Balticsubs has spent more than enough of his own time in helping find the missing pieces of info on these men and boats, and I personally would like to publicly thank him for his effort.

Not forgetting the likes of yourself and others who have helped my, & other families the world over as well, thank you!!


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For those intersted.

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Shortcut to: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8321516.stm
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Reported today that the submarine E18 was located by a Swedish expedition and found to be in fairly good condition,she was in an area where the Germans in WW1 had laid a mine field, further investigations are being carried out to see the cause of her sinking
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DINO/BALTIC, here are crew of C26 in the Baltic ;

BRAND JW ERA BURNETT ES ERA COSSEY AJ PO LTO
DAVEY FJA POSTO DAVIS FJA L/S HILTON AE PO
HUTCHINSON JD SPO JOHNSON W PO INGLIS G SPO
LOUNDS C LSTO MATTHEWS DM PO MCNAUGHTON JNR PO
POUCH JE AB ROONEY J PO STEELE FG PO LTO
STEVENS PA L/S WILSON H CERA HINDE JM L/S
TUTTLE A SPO URSELL JJT STO

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Hi, I wonder if anyone here has a photo of Robert Crosby Halahan - commander of the E18?
Hes the younger brother of my GG grandfather Capt. Henry Crosby, and ive been trying to find a photo of him for my family tree
Any help would be much appreciated
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Hi there!

Robert was my Great Greatuncle! My Great Grandfather was the eldest son of the family (Samuel Crosby Halahan)!
Are you actually a Halahan? I'm looking to make a thorough family tree and I would very much appreciate as much info as possible!

Cheers

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Old 11-11-2009, 18:38
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Hi Miles,

sent you a Personal message re Robert Halahan.

Cheers DB
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Hi Jessica, Henry was my grandfather. I am interested by what will happen - or has happened to the E18 - will they be left in peace or has the sub been recovered? I think there may be no direct descendants so I dont know who will know. I heard about Robert on the Today programme a couple of weeks ago. I think you have had contact with Michael Forsyth re Henry. Please get in contact if you receive this. Imogen Gosling (nee Halahan)
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Hi Miles/Imogen,
I enclose this link to a Youtube video of the finding of E18 which may interest you. I am also decended from Col. S.C.Halahan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF8Qc...ayer_embedded#

also:
http://www.mmtab.se/default.asp?nid=70

I sent a personal message to Jessica some months ago re photos, and to Miles yesterday.
Regards, Bob.

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Old 22-11-2009, 15:06
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DARREN / Et Al, here are some of crew of C35 during Baltic ;

BARNES George E CPO COX
BARTLETT Allan J PO
BIRD Allen v CSTO
CROXALL William H CPO S/COX

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Hi Darren and other contributors,

My uncle Lieutenant Charles Chapman was second-in-command on board the
E9 between its first entry to the Baltic in 1914 and December 1915 when he returned to England . The RN Submarine Museum in Gosport has given me a set of records relating to his service during that campaign and then his subsequent part, in 1919, in the campaign to defend the Baltic republics against the Bolsheviks. He and his entire crew perished when their submarine, L55, struck a British-laid mine in the approaches to Kronstad (Petrograd) on June 9th,1919 - a fate like that of E18, of course. Memorials to the members of that expeditionary force, including the L55's crew, have recently been inaugurated in Portsmouth, Tallin and Riga.
I'd gladly share information with you, especially with the relatives of members of the British submarine force in th Baltic during WW1.

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Hi All,
I have nothing at all to do with Submarines (except my Dad at one time had thought of putting his hand up to be on the crew of one in WWII.) However, his is a different story.
I do have a great deal of admiration for those that served in them though. Anyway...I just saw your interesting thread here and, for some reason, already had the link to the Portsmouth Napoleonic Society so I thought I'd add it. (I know it's already been mentioned at post 11 here....but clicking on a link is so much easier...to see it instantly.)
http://www.pns1814.co.uk/wgpowell.htm
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Hello DAVID & welcome to the Forum. Here are some details such as I have on your uncle, L55 & E9, and his awards of DSC & Bar ;

CHAPMAN CHARLES MANNERS SUTTON LT NE DSC* RN
SM L.55 09.06.19 Z 30 B C
PORTSMOUTH 31 HASLAR RNC L.55 GR
PORTSMOUTH 7 - 522 ADDENDA 16
Son of Commander and Mrs. F. Hay Chapman ; husband of Barbara Chapman, of Roundhill, Princetown, Devon.
Killed in action in the Baltic. Now known to be buried in Haslar Royal Naval Cemetery, Hants.

CHAPMAN. Charles M.S. LIEUTENANT. 30. 8.11. `E.9'.
Recommended by - COMMODORE KEYES. L.G 23.10.14. D.S.C.
Second in command of `E.9', is also deserving of credit.

CHAPMAN.Chas M.S. DSC. LT. 30. 8.11. `E.9'.`C.30'.`J.6'.`G.11Recommended by - CAPTAIN (S), HARWICH. 2.11.17. Bar to D.S.C.
For long and arduous services in submarines ; he was second in command of `E.9' at sinking of 1 armoured cruiser, 2 destroyers, 1 transport and 4 steamers. Has been over 300 days on patrol during the war.

5th September, 1928 ; return of the remains of those lost in L.55 to Portsmouth. Returned from Russia in H.M.S. CHAMPION, escorted by H.M. Submarines H.23, H.30, H.31, H.48. HMS LUCIA.

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 With Italys entry into WW II on June 10, 1940, the epic two-and-one-half-year siege of Malta began. Symbolizing the defiant resistance of the people and defenders of that tiny island, the legend of Faith, Hope, and Charity grew from a handful of Gloster Sea Gladiators which initially comprised Maltas sole aerial defense. Until the arrival of the more modern Hawker Hurricanes, these obsolescent biplanes fought the Regia Aeronautica alone in the skies above Malta. Only six or seven Gladiators were assembled from the shipment of eighteen crated aircraft which had been delivered by the HMS Glorious. Others were utilized for spare parts, and three had been dispatched, still crated, to Egypt. Though hugely outnumbered, the defenders fought on, raising the morale of the citizens of Malta, and denying the Italians mastery of the sky. Suffering from a constant shortage of spare parts, tools and equipment, the devoted ground support crews were never able to keep more than three Gladiators operational at any point in time. Only one of these Gladiators was totally lost in aerial combat, and the sole surviving aircraft was presented to the people of Malta, and today stands in their National War Museum as a proud symbol of courage and endurance. In Stan Stokes painting, a Sea Gladiator, piloted by Flight Lt. James Pickering, tangles with a Fiat C.R. 42 over Malta in 1940 while an Italian Savoia S.79 tri-engined bomber passes by in the background. The Gloster Gladiator represented the zenith of development of the classic biplane fighter aircraft, a design formula which characterized an entire era from WW I until the advent of the monoplane fighter just before WW II. Glosters naval model of the Gladiator was equipped with a Bristol Mercury VIIIA engine providing a maximum speed of 253 MPH, a rate of climb of 2300 feet per minute, an operational ceiling of 32,200 feet, and a range of 415 miles. The Gladiator was armed with four .303 inch Browning machine guns, and incorporated several advanced features including an enclosed cockpit and wing flaps. One top RAF ace, Sqd. Ldr. Pattle, attained eleven victories flying the Gladiator. A total of 527 Gladiators were produced, and the aircraft served in twelve different countries. The Italians were overly persistent in their emphasis on biplane fighters, stemming from their successes with these highly maneuverable machines during the Spanish Civil War. Employing distinctive Warren-truss type interplane bracing the C.R. 42 was powered by a Fiat A74 R.C. 38 engine providing a maximum speed of 274 MPH and a range of 485 miles. The C.R. 42 was more lightly armed than the Gladiators it opposed, possessing only two 12.7mm Breda machine guns. The C.R 42 served on all of Italys fronts including North and East Africa, France, Britain, the Balkans, and Russia. Exported to Hungary, Sweden and Belgium, the C.R. 42 ironically served alongside the Gladiator in other theaters of operation during WW II.
Faith Hope and Charity by Stan Stokes. (C)
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 Amid a hail of defensive fire, Flt Lt D J H Maltby holds Lancaster ED906/G AJ-J steady for his bomb aimer John Fort to perfectly choose his moment to release the Upkeep Bomb that would ultimately breach and destroy the Mohne Dam during the famous Dambuster raids on the Ruhr on the night of 16th / 17th May 1943.

The One That Broke The Dam by Ivan Berryman.
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 With 12 victories to his credit, William Sloan was the highest scoring pilot of the 96th FS/82nd FG and is shown here in his P.38 Snooks IV ½, a reference to the fact that this aircraft was made up of so many cannibalised parts from other P.38s.

Lt William J Dixie Sloan by Ivan Berryman. (P)
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 Troops of the 1st Hampshires assaulting Gold Beach during the Normandy Landings. Gold beach was one of the British beaches on D-Day. Gold beach was the western most beach of the British beaches, on D-Day. Gold beach was between two twenty metre high cliffs where German fortifications had been built. The beach had been protected by concrete casemates which took some time to break through. This happened with support form British tanks in the afternoon of D-day 6th June. The British tanks and reinforcements moved off the beaches towards Saint-Come-de-Fresene and Arromanches which were both liberated by 9pm.

D-Day Gold Beach, 6th June 1944 by Simon Smith.
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 1st Battalion in action at Escaut Canal, Belgium, May 1940. The last Highland Regiment to wear a kilt in battle, attacking the Germans at the River Escaut.  From the Diary of Captain R. Leah, 1st Battalion, Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders : Tuesday 21st May : Bn left Ere about 2 a.m. to march back. Fortunately Coy Cmdr. were required for some sort of recce and we went in C.O.s car.  Arrived Taintignies 3 a.m. and self went out again with Wilkie in C.O.s car to look for for C Coy which had gone astray, and to see Q.M. about Bn rations in Wez-Velvain.  Could not find either.  Met the Battalion arriving from Ere when I left the village at 3 a.m.  Got back myself at 4 a.m. found empty house which I entered by window and slept well for 5 hours. Officers mess going in house beside M.T. park, and had good breakfast.  Fairly quiet morning and orders to move this afternoon to Bn assembly position S of Wez-Velvain.  Thence we were directed to Merlin and prepared for counter-attack to drive enemy off Western side of Escaut.

The Queens Own Cameron Highlanders by David Rowlands (C)
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 St Mere Eglise, Normandy, 6th June 1944.  U.S. Paratroops of the 82nd <i>All American</i> Airborne Division, descend on occupied France.

First to Fight by David Pentland. (AP)
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 Men of the US 381st Infantry Regiment, 96th Division supported by the tanks of 763rd and 713th Flamethrower Tank Battalions, during the assault on Yaeju Dake. This escarpment, known as Big Apple was the last in a series of tough Japanese defence lines on the south of the Island.

Taking of Big Apple, Okinawa, 10th - 14th June 1945 by David Pentland. (GL)
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