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Old 09-09-2008, 15:31
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Although up to now I have never explored any of these badges they are brilliant Alan and a real asset to the forum.
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Old 09-09-2008, 16:29
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Just catching up on a backlog of posts following my hols and pleased to see this thread is very popular. Many thanks to Alan for his works of art.
Just to see a ships crest brings a mental picture of the ship in question, especially those that were in commission when I served in the 60's and 70's.
Just about every pub in a Naval port had a large collection of ships crests adorning every nook and cranny
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Old 09-09-2008, 18:50
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Terry & Jim thanks for the comments regarding the Squadron badges, I too remember seeing loads of badges in the Local pubs, during my time aboard Ark Royal we got the Freedom of the city of Leeds, we were invited to Yorkshire TV studios to record songs for the old programme Stars on Sunday with Jess Yates to be shown on Remembrance Sunday, billed as the Ark Royal choir although we were'nt a choir, we were the Royal Guard. Anyway we gave a presentation badge to the cast of Emmerdale who were recording their show, still see it in the 'Woolpack' from time to time, in fact they have a few, I also noticed one of Hms York.

Here's the next batch of Squadron badges.

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Old 10-09-2008, 01:05
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Alan, I find these "air" badges as fascinating as those of the ships, so please keep them coming.

In your last post, the 772 Sqn badge indicates that you have worked on it to make it like the embellished ships badges that you have displayed. This raises the question of how realistic your worked badge is compared with the others you have posted, which show a great variance in colour/shade of the surround and crown?

Please don't take my query as indicating that you are in any way wrong, as I am simply trying to assertain whether the badge surrounds were variable or of a constant colour. Being a landlubber I have no experience of either ships or squadron badges.
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Old 10-09-2008, 07:56
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Re your comments on the crest surrounds and variance in shade. All designs are submitted to the College of Heralds for official adoption and registration.
The early ones were submitted in watercolour and consequently there was quite a difference in shade. The rope surround can vary from a silvery gold to a dark yellow gold.
I think the more modern ones will have been computer coloured but they show variance of shade. The ones manufactured by the "Chippy" on board will have been painted in whatever shade of blue ,red etc he had to hand.
The official description from the College of Heralds will just specify the colour in French e.g Or = Gold.

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Old 10-09-2008, 18:56
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David, regarding your question, as already pointed out the originals were all water colour paintings, all done at the time by some of the countries leading 'artists' and so there were variations in the crown and surrounding rope. The actual paintings vary greatly too depending on the artist, some are quite basic, whilst others are very intricate.

Most of mine also vary from the originals as some of them didn't look good when scanned and needed re-painting digitally, hence some have different crowns. I used a blank crown and rope, so I only needed to concentrate on the actual painting then once completed put it inside the blank template.

Took numerous years to achieve the end result.

Here's the next batch of Squadron badges 11 this time to end the 700 series.

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Old 10-09-2008, 19:05
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Following on from the previous post, here's the templates I made so that if a badge wasn't good all I needed to do was repaint it (digitally) then cut it out and replace it into the corresponding shape.


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Old 10-09-2008, 20:33
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Hi All,
An excellent thread, but I haven`t seen the excellent book "Admiralty Ships Badges (Original Patterns) 1919-1994" (Vol I & II)" by T.P. Stopford mentioned anywhere which is a very good source for a great many Royal navy Ships Badges.....
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Old 10-09-2008, 20:57
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The books are very rare Huw. I've spoken to Tim Stopford (AKA JONTY), on the phone and he doesn't have any copies left. He did try a few years ago to create a CD version but this proved to expensive to do, and so the originals have become very expensive (if you can find them).

I still don't have copies, but I know someone who does (next best thing!!)
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Old 10-09-2008, 21:07
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I have heard of these books on a few occassions, some mention Volumes 1 and 2, some mention addendums?

I have seen a set advertised on Ebay for around 50 so they are quite rare.
Of the others that are available they aren't that good I don't think they cover all the ships.

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Old 10-09-2008, 21:23
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Correct Alan. If I'd seen them on eBay for 50 I'd have snapped them up straight away.
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Old 10-09-2008, 22:33
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Alan & Gerry, many thanks for your explanations of colouring and shading.
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Old 11-09-2008, 18:33
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Super collection of Squadron badges, didnt realise there were so many.

Any history on the reason for the individual designs ?

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Old 11-09-2008, 22:24
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Gerry, Afraid I don't have any history on the individual designs but no doubt they would have followed the same guidelines as the Ships badges.

Obviously Squadrons were deployed among several ships and Air stations and so it would seem appropriate to give them their own badge as identity.

Here's the next batch of 10 Squadrons.

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Old 12-09-2008, 15:18
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I have looked (quickly) through Stopfords two volumes and can`t trace Squadron Badges.

They are so professional they must have been approved by the Admiralty and the College of Heralds wouldn`t you say?

I have emailed the FAA Museum at Yeovil to see if they can help and will keep you posted

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Old 12-09-2008, 17:27
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Gerry, the squadron badges are the official badges as passed by the admiralty in exactly the same way as ships badges, the are seldom seen anywhere else on the internet which is why I was a bit puzzled at the start as to why no one seemed that interested. I am not aware of anywhere else that have the full 116 squadron badges, the FAA museum website don't display them either.

So the members here really are fortunate to see these rarities.


Next batch to follow shortly.

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Old 12-09-2008, 19:51
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Absolutely Alan. Without any doubt this is one of the very best threads in the forum.
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Old 12-09-2008, 21:40
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I always wondered why the RN couldn't have produced embroidered patches of the ships crest which could have been sewn to No8 shirts etc. Similar to what the fly boys had on their flying suits and what the USN ships proudly displayed on their baseball caps.
They would have been great for collectors and a lot cheaper, lighter and take up less space than a mounted ships crest
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Old 12-09-2008, 22:11
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Thanks for the kind comments Terry.


Jbryce, I can't agree with you there my friend, it would have been far more costly for every matelot to have patches for everyone of his uniforms, for every ship he ever served on. I moved to 4 different places within a year by the time I would have finished sewing on one set of badges, I'd be taking them off and sewing another lot on.....


I suppose that's another reason they are so collectable too! and what makes us different to everyone else...not many nations are as steeped in History.

Next batch for your perusal...
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Old 13-09-2008, 17:34
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It would be a dull world if everyone agreed with everyone else
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Old 13-09-2008, 22:07
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Jim, I agree with you there...it would be a dull world if everyone agreed!

Anyway next batch of FAA Squadron badges...............



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Hi Alan, I'm really enjoying this thread....all of the badges are remarkable. I've been waiting for 824 to come up (and it did in your last post) as the info I have on HMS Striker, Escort Carrier, my Dad's ship says that it carried 824 Squadron.

Thanks for all of these. They are so impressive and your efforts are much appreciated.
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Old 13-09-2008, 22:43
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Vivien, thank you so much for your kind comments, 824 sqdn were indeed aboard Hms Striker, they also served aboard Eagle and Argus.

There are several more yet to come, I find them all fascinating, the artists had some imaginations to come up with some of these designs don't you think?

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Yes Alan, it boggles the mind how they came up with all of these designs. They are works of art no doubt about it. And thanks for the extra info 824, Eagle and Argus.

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The next instalment of Squadron badges.....



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