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Old 31-08-2008, 14:42
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Hi, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, been busy trying to stay alive.....(don't ask)

Hms Exmoor badge.....as requested.

Anyone got a good photo of this ship?

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Old 31-08-2008, 14:50
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I have never seen a decent picture of her to date Alan.
This is the best that I have got.
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Old 31-08-2008, 15:10
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Thanks for that one Terry, I find that most of the Hunt class are hard to obtain decent photo's. Shame really cos' there were plenty of em'.


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Old 31-08-2008, 15:55
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Perhaps you may be interested in the fore-runners to the official adopted badges.

Here are those for the INVINCIBLE Class of Battlecruiser.

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Old 31-08-2008, 21:39
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Hi Gerry, thanks for the versions of the unofficial badges, they look very much like the badges seen on the silk cards you often see around.

Quite alot of the official badges do show similarities to these older badges, obviously the artists at the time were trying to maintain the theme.

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Old 31-08-2008, 23:15
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Sure In my post #69 that Wasp badge is from the USS Wasp CV/CV-18 an Essex class carrier. No longer in service.

In post # 70 that Wasp badge is from the present day USS Wasp LHD-1
Hi brother shipmate, I don`t suppose you have the badges for :
USS ST PAUL USS TALLEDEGA and the sub USS NAUTILUS in your collection.

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Old 31-08-2008, 23:25
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Thanks Alan for posting plaques for the ones requested, sorry about taking so long to reply,mate.
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Old 01-09-2008, 19:25
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Hi Alan
Thanks for the response to the Unofficial Badges. They have been replicated as Silks and Cards by one of the Tobacco Companies.
Gale and Polden published a large wall chart depicting dozens of "Unofficials" most of which are documented in Weightman`s "Crests and badges".
Several ships carrying the Unofficial badge refused to accept the Official version, one ship that comes to mind is the cruiser Emerald. According to one of her ships company she stuck with the unofficial badge through WWII.
I will dig out a few more and post them.

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Old 01-09-2008, 19:37
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Gerry, more of the unofficials would be great, It's good to be able to compare against the official badges.

May I point out that the Emerald story is a bit of a Myth I'm afraid, the official badge for Hms Emerald was passed in 1923, long before the 2nd world war and was the only badge used as far as I'm aware.
I have not seen any other design and no others were put forward for consideration as official badges.

But, you know what sailors are, they know how to swing the lamp!

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Old 02-09-2008, 17:11
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Have enclosed copies of the unofficial Emerald crest. One is on a pamphlet produced by the ship in the mid-30s. The same crest is used with a naval crown on the Xmas card ,unfortunately undated but photo inside sugeests early 30s. The third is on the route card dated 1937 to 1938.

An ex Emerald assures me that this crest was affixed to the bridge and he never saw the official one used. I dont have any photographic evidence to back this up.

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Old 02-09-2008, 18:23
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Quite an interest in badges here, but what do they mean and does the ships motto act in the design of the badge

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Old 02-09-2008, 18:42
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Hi Unseen

The ships badge is really a modern day link with the old ships figureheads and going back further to the designs painted on ancient sails. Its all about identification.

Most of the the present day badges have a link with a previous famous figure or event. Quite often the motto is also tied to this personage , alternatively badge and motto can be a pun on the ships name.

Hope this whets your appetite!

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Old 03-09-2008, 03:05
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I've been looking at the badge for HMS Exmoor and wondering what the two crossed pieces are. Don't laugh but they look like tails to me. Does anyone know? And how does it then relate to Exmoor?.

Hi to BlackShuck..... I'm curious about what "BlackShuck" means in relation to Norfolk/Suffolk border", and what is on your great looking Avatar.
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Old 03-09-2008, 08:22
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Vivian

You are right they are tails.

Exmoor was named after the Somerset Foxhunt and hence sports two fox brushes on her badge.

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Old 03-09-2008, 16:10
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Ah! That's an interesting link and not obvious without more knowledge. Thanks for that Gerry,

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Old 03-09-2008, 21:32
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Gerry, very interesting seeing the leaflet with the Emerald badge, it is possible they used the unofficial version for such things and possibly christmas cards etc.

The badge on the bridge however would be the official one, as it is crown property and would have to bear the badge recognised by the Crown.

As a matter of interest, the badge was taken from that of Captain Gilchrist of the Southampton which captured the French ship Emeraude in the 1700's

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Old 03-09-2008, 21:35
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Regarding the badge of Hms Exmoor, the badge depicts 2 foxes tails as already mentioned surrounded by stars. The Somerset foxhunt was know as the 'stars of the west' dating back to 1869.


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Old 03-09-2008, 22:03
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Thanks for info on Emerald. It really does open up a can of worms as to what a ship was supposed to do and what it actually did. I think it may have been down to the skipper!Have enclosed a scan from "The Irish Flagship" by Geoffrey Haskins ,its not very clear but definitely the unofficial badge on the bridge.

I have attempted to contact Tom Stopford .the author of "Admiralty Ships Badges" , on the Emerald but no reply.

Have just come across some info on unofficial submarine badges produced by Cecil Broad an Admiralty Overseer at Barrow-in-Furness from 1936. It appears that up to 10 boats survived the war and for some reason were never given an official badge or in the case of Sea Rover did not adopt it and used his designs instead. Wartime pressures probably meant this went overlooked.

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Old 04-09-2008, 18:44
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Hi Gerry, a fascinating photo showing the Badge of Emerald which is not the official one. There must have been exceptions I suspect, it is entirely possible that the ship may have put forward this design for official status and so continued to use it until it was granted, she may have been de-commissioned before the badge was given official status, thus the original pattern stands although obviously not used.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, Hms Repulse also declined the official badge and continued using her old badge up to tragic end.


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Old 04-09-2008, 19:12
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As promised previously here are the 1st batch of Fleet Air Arm Squadron badges....wouldn't want to leave out the 'Airy-Fairies' would we??


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Old 06-09-2008, 22:05
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Some Submarine Badges
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Old 08-09-2008, 20:32
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The 2nd batch of Fleet Air Arm Squadron badges, for the few that appear to be interested, although no-one upto now has commented on these works of art??????


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Hi Alan,
I think they are works of art as well. My apologies for not commenting before,
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Alan I think they are appreciated for the artistic merit but doubly so when you realise the history behind it.

Keep them coming !!

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Old 08-09-2008, 22:52
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Bob and Gerry, thanks ever so much for those kind comments, there are few places where you can obtain FAA Squadron badges, so it suprised me somewhat that there appeared to be little interest, yet there are several requests for pic's of carriers and quite an interest in Aircraft too!

still I will continue to post the squadron badges in batches of 10.

There are a total of 116 squadrons....each one a work of art.


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