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Old 15-08-2009, 13:57
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Ah Yes...."PROGRESS"...I wonder if they're going to change the dictionary definition of that word. I shudder ever time I hear it mentioned these days...for it usually means the destruction of something that's been held dear by many, but is in the way of short term profit for some small group of entrepeneurs and fists full of $$$$$$ssss. I don't know how they (the developers) can sleep at night!

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Old 15-08-2009, 14:33
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All is not lost yet! Let's wait until the thing collapses before we give up.

This might interest you. This is an email that I received a few days ago.

"Watch this space"

I hope this finds you well. I'm writing because I'm currently putting together a feature about the Ganges mast at Shotley and wondered if it might be possible to use of the photograph you submitted to the HMS Ganges Assoc website within it?

If you could let me know that would be great.

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Old 15-08-2009, 14:46
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What can you expect from a country that doesn't teach history, much less have any respect for the subject. But of course, I forgot, history started at year zero, 1997.

These were all taken in may of this year. If anyone should require more, I can put you in touch with the photographer.

As for getting the mast listed; this was done in order to preserve it, not get it condemned. I just marvel at the naivete of some people, trusting any sort of property developer to abide by their word.
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Old 15-08-2009, 16:11
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Shocking absolutely Shocking!!!!
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Old 15-08-2009, 16:23
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I`m sure that I`m going to get some stick from you old (R) old GANGES boys but would someone tell this old RALEIGH boy what was the idea of you boys climbing a bl--dy tall piece of wood called a mast, there were no sailing ships in the 50s and 60s no sails to unfurl so why practice going up and down the flag pole like a load of monkeys,and why had one of you to stand upright at the top,I believe he was called a "button boy" why not a "polecap boy" GANGES had some queer exercises, thank goodness I joined RALEIGH.
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Old 15-08-2009, 17:03
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It gave confidence in yourself

It also showed that 15 year old boys could do something that the old men from Torpoint couldn't, or more probably too scared to do.

Also it was good fun. Mind you. that last bit to the button never saw me. I got as far as the Cow horns. That was enough.
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Old 15-08-2009, 17:15
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Me too, couldnt get me short arms around the bloody pole.

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Old 15-08-2009, 17:19
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Just for curiosity Peter where was the second photograph taken?
I've been trying to picture somewhere in the establishment to fit in with the photograph but it has got me beat.

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I will have a guess and say it is on the upper playing field behind nelson hall with the back doors rolled up !
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Old 16-08-2009, 00:39
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The last 'boys' to be trained at Ganges was actually 1973....it was a conservative government I think.....the establishment turned to a 'Raleigh' style training in June 1973...accepting recruits upto 35 years old for a 6 week training programme. It was decided for it to close in 1976 by a labour government, no need for 2 establishments. Jim Callaghan was prime minister.....he was a ordinary seaman in the RN during the War.

'Ganges' then became a Police cadet training centre, this I assume was when the mast began to be neglected, they weren't allowed to climb it...health & safety.

When I was at Ganges those who did climb were often given tasks of painting or paint stripping, greasing certain parts of the rigging etc.

Not sure when the developers actually bought the place, but as already said the Royal Navy were not the last occupants of Ganges. The police force were.

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Old 16-08-2009, 13:37
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The only time I ever returned to Ganges was quite a few years ago now. The police were in attendance then and here are a couple of pictures that I took at the time.

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Old 16-08-2009, 13:56
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Nice pics Bob. I wonder what the Ghosts of the G.I.s thought of cars being parked on their hallowed plot (parade ground) and part of the Quarterdeck.). A few times I have been "gently" requested not to walk across the Quarterdeck but double. Those G.I.s had "Junior RADAR" far better than any RADAR fitted to our ships!!!!!!!!
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Old 16-08-2009, 15:49
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I have a thought...maybe if the developers were made to realise that having the mast there might be a profitable advantage to them, as a feature, then they would endeavour to save/preserve it.

In the town where I live we had a huge, old iconic tree that was in the way of a development. When the townsfolk got wind of the fact that the developers wanted to cut it down...there was a public outcry. Petitions were made up and signed, letters were written to the local shire and any politicians we thought would listen. Anyway, the developers eventually incorporated the tree as a feature at the end of the shopping mall, which is now named after the tree.
It was a good outcome...although, sadly, because some parents weren't controlling their young children, some of its lower limbs had to be removed to stop anyone from climbing and falling off it and the ensuiing public liability issues that would have followed.
However the lovely, big old tree is STILL there and the shopping mall has character - rather than being just another bland line of shops. This then generates more customers and gives the shops more value.

Surely something similar can be done to save the iconic HMS Ganges mast ??

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Old 16-08-2009, 19:29
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The developers of HMS Ganges (galliards) have written to Barergh District Council. Informing them that Galliards are taking quotes from specialist contractors to restore the mast. Galliards have also submitted a revised planning application. for a large number of retirment homes, and other buildings. Galliards are to submit to the council no later then September 10. with the detailed quotes. For the Babergh's Strategy committee meet on September 17. 2009.

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Old 16-08-2009, 19:50
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something to read vis-a-vis Alan Guz Ratings' last posting:-

http://www.myshotley.com/ganges-mastnewsletter1.pdf

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PS ... Sorry Alan I don't suppose it says any more than your precise of the article!!!! Ooops
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Old 16-08-2009, 22:44
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Thanks Alan/Harry

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Old 17-08-2009, 07:31
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Nice one Francis. Your father didn't try to warn you off then?
Having read both of the late John Douglas's books I must have been one of the lucky ones as he seemed to be writing about another place.
Fair enough it was strict with plenty of bulls..t but our two classes never came across the so called sadistic instructors or bullying leading boys.
Mind you this was in 1952/3 four years after him.

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I was there much later, although there was some strictness I don't think I could call it bullying, Some of my peers were the bullies and for years after I always wished I could come across them again once I had grown up a bit more.
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Old 17-08-2009, 08:02
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It gave confidence in yourself

It also showed that 15 year old boys could do something that the old men from Torpoint couldn't, or more probably too scared to do.

Also it was good fun. Mind you. that last bit to the button never saw me. I got as far as the Cow horns. That was enough.
Me also
I am sure we were only required to go to the first platform, the rest was voluntary.
You felt like you had achieved something once you had done it, I rekon the raleigh girls just wish they had had the opportunity to do it.
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Old 17-08-2009, 08:41
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Francis...........I think we were required to go over "half-moon" as "mast class"..............I say "think" because when my class did it, I was in Sick Bay with Flu. Never did do it, nobody mentioned it and as I have never liked heights I wasn't about to remind them!
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You may be right It could have been the half moon, either way I wont forget the first time I went out over the devils elbow and not through the lubbers hatch
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Old 17-08-2009, 10:27
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Thanks Alan/Harry

Always interested in the Mast at Ganges
Morning Dave,

Dave is the bottom of the mast made of metal. I seem to remember hearing this some where.

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Old 17-08-2009, 10:51
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something to read vis-a-vis Alan Guz Ratings' last posting:-

http://www.myshotley.com/ganges-mastnewsletter1.pdf

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PS ... Sorry Alan I don't suppose it says any more than your precise of the article!!!! Ooops
Morning Harry,

Thats the article I saw, but I can't hyper link yet. The local people seem to be up in arms. But nothing from the council about the planning gain.

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Old 17-08-2009, 14:36
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Sorry Alan. Missed this post.

re Bottom of Mast

I honestly can't remember. Too scared to bother to look on the way up, Too relieved to care when I got down!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 17-08-2009, 14:56
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Mast climbing; now there's a thing. We had to climb up and over the devil's elbow, then higher still and through one half of the half moon, around the topmast, through the other half of the half moon, then down and out over the devil's elbow again but this time backwards, then climb down to ground level again. At that age I was absolutely terrified of heights having never been higher than then top deck of a double decker bus!. I was even more terrified of the P.T.I.s (Physical training instructors) at the bottom of the mast telling us to climb in the loudest, the most aggresive and abusive terms imaginable ------ so I climbed!! It must have had the desired effect though because on Sunday's, after church, I often took myself and a book up onto the fighting top to sit and read.

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Did you have any sort of safety harnesses...or was there some kind of safety net set up down below...or did you basically risk life and limb climbing that mast??? Also is there anyone on the forum who actually did the Button Boy thing...standing up on the very top???

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p.s. I seem to recall a story my Dad told us about having to climb a mast and him getting part way up and "freezing". He had all kinds of things yelled at him but he wasn't budging. I think they had to send someone up after him to prise his fingers open and get him down. (I think he had a bit of a heights phobia )

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Hi Bee,

No safety harnesses, just shorts, shirt and gym shoes, a bucketful of guts and a will to get to the top.

Yes, I did make it to the top - but not as an official Button Boy for which they received a Shilling I think it was. I did it for a dare one Saturday Afternoon when I thought noone was looking - but Murphy's Law kicked in and a very nasty POGI spotted me - the next hour was spent running round the Parade Ground with a broom at full stretch accompanied by the guy who dared me [he came forward voluntarily - a good mate]. I often wondered what would have happened if I'd dared the POGI to come and get me.

While on the subject of the mast - I hope all you ex Ganges boys belong to the Ganges Association - if not - why not ?????
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