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Old 11-06-2009, 15:46
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Hi all,

Remember work ship weeks - worst job [coalship] mid acceptable [tin crushing] best [Captain's house party].
Here in Guzz we were honoured to have Captain Franks living in Dartmouth and some of boys who were CHP in Ganges carried on at his Garden until sadly he Crossed the Bar last year and they were all in their 70's then.

Never got to do CHP but did have two whacks of tin crushing.

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Old 11-06-2009, 19:38
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My memory of CHP (to Capt The Earl Cairns) was peeling potatoes then shaping them perfectly round the size of a penny (the d type of course) what a waste!

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Hawke 236 and 237 (Combined class). All RO(U). Instructors: CY Charlie Madden (Who some at least should know) and RS Daisy Adams. DO was a Wafu (ask not why, that's Ganges), Lt Cdr Styles RN. His wife very kindly donated a floor polisher to the Division, as she thought it a little cruel that we should buff the floor with our boot brushes. Nice thought, but we were forbidden from using the thing.
In the original two classes, we started off with sixteen in each. We acquired two "Backclassees", and the rest are those that made it through.
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Old 03-08-2009, 16:47
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Trot, what year were the photographs from?

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Old 03-08-2009, 19:16
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The Messdeck was throughout the year '65 and early '66.
First class photo was April '65, and post passing out parade picture March '66.
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Old 03-08-2009, 19:52
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and mine 58-59 Ganges sparkers and buntins No. 7 mess (left in immaculate trim for next incumbents)!!!!

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and the Ganges mess pics... 1st Hawke divn 4? mess tin hut upper level and 2nd Keppel divn 7 mess
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Old 04-08-2009, 16:22
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Are those "Brown Hatters" overalls that I see there?

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Old 04-08-2009, 17:19
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Hey Trot .......... now that is socking it to them .......... like your style ........
although I thought that Harry would have beaten us all to that one.
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Old 04-08-2009, 17:21
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Don't know about BH ovvies .... that bed would have been turned upside down on my inspection ..... talk about a crabpit
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Old 04-08-2009, 17:42
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Don't know about BH ovvies .... that bed wud have been turned upside down on my inspection ..... talk about a crabpit
Would not have done in 'awke 49. Charley or Daisy would have lifted it, and spun it around.
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Old 05-08-2009, 13:59
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Here's a little reminder to the Ganges fraternity as to what the parade ground has become. I think I prefer to remember it as it was. This was obviously taken a fair while ago as the mast is now falling to pieces.

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Old 05-08-2009, 14:02
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Perhaps this is a good time to post the following newsletter re the Ganges mast.


NEWSLETTER #1



Babergh’s commitment

Babergh District Council recognises that as a listed building, the Mast and its condition – whilst predominantly the responsibility of the landowner – is a matter in which Babergh has an interest and a role.

The Council is very aware of the depth of feeling associated with the HMS Ganges Mast. Therefore, this regular series of newsletters aims to keep all of the key stakeholders up-to-date as to both procedures and progress regarding the repair and refurbishment of the Mast and the timescales involved.

What are Babergh’s objectives regarding the HMS Ganges Mast?

Fundamentally, as with all of the 3800 listed buildings in the District, Babergh wants to see the HMS Ganges Mast maintained in as good a state of repair as possible because of it’s value as an historic feature of regional interest .

In this particular case, Babergh is keen that the landowner, Galliard, fulfills the obligations imposed by listed building legislation and takes steps to maintain the mast in an appropriate condition.

What has Babergh’s approach been in working with Galliard?

Since late 2007, Babergh has raised concerns about the mast and has urged that it be repaired. The company then engaged consultants to carry out a “Condition Survey Report”. Babergh stepped up its pressure on the owners late in 2008. The Company has consistently advised that the mast will be repaired but the Council has not been supplied with a timescale for completing the work.

Why hasn’t Babergh made use of either Repairs Notices or Urgent Works Notices and why can’t Babergh itself contract the work to be done and then bill Galliard?

Babergh would only be able to intervene if the works that needed doing could be classified as being “urgently necessary for the preservation of the listed building”.

An Urgent Works Notice would only be considered if the Listed Building is severely at risk – a situation that has not applied to the HMS Ganges mast because it is not in imminent danger of collapse. In essence, the state of the mast may have to worsen before Babergh would be able to apply this Notice.

A Repairs Notice is a preliminary to compulsory acquisition and as a


consequence must be carefully considered. The likely cost of any basic repair work could run into a large five figure sum – which Babergh might not be able to recover from the company. This would leave all of Babergh’s Council Taxpayers out of pocket. Any such decision would need to be made by Babergh Councillors in light of other competing uses for the sum and against the backdrop of a worsening financial situation for all Councils.


What has been happening recently?

The good news is that in response to a letter form Babergh’s Head of Natural & Built Environment on July 2, Galliard’s Planning & Urban Design Manager replied on July 10 saying that the company “takes very seriously it’s (sic) obligations arising from ownership of a listed structure”.

At this stage, Babergh has no reason to think that this is mere rhetoric as the company has already commissioned a specialist contractor to provide a quote for the restoration of the Mast.

Furthermore, Galliard has indicated their willingness to put in an application for Listed Building Consent to fulfil the obligations imposed by legislation.

Babergh has written back welcoming this progress, but has requested that such any application be both appropriately detailed and be with the Council by no later than September 10. This is because Babergh’s Strategy Committee will meet on September 17 and will consider a report outlining the options open to the Council depending upon Galliard’s preceding actions.

Paul Simon
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(01473) 826634


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Old 05-08-2009, 17:26
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Gosh Bob,

I really do hope that they do get around to fixing the Ganges mast before it falls down...Sounds like it's done the rounds of who's responsible for what. Beaurocratic fun and games... so familiar around the world...a bit like a scene from "Yes Minister" I guess it will eventually be repaired "In the fullness of time..." maybe...

Hopefully they'll all eventually pull together in the same direction.
Keep us posted....I'm sure there'll be many, many interested people here...to help them stay on task

At least the Babergh's Council is aware of the significance of the HMS Ganges Mast...so that's definitely a positive.

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Old 05-08-2009, 17:44
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HMS GANGES & GANGES OLD BOYS threads merged.
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Old 05-08-2009, 19:35
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Parents Day, 1965........I be up there somewhere.
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Old 05-08-2009, 21:33
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If you can't beat 'em...........join 'em..........Annexe 7th January 1957......lord knows name of mess, first one on right.
Over "Main"............Blake 7 Mess, Long Covered Way.
Instructors, CPO "Pusser" Brotherton and PO "Percy" Peram.
I think we were 124 class ..........Seamen anyhow. Opposite side of mess were Air Mechs and Stokers.

Remember getting kit............"Boots, football"............."But I don't play football, I play.........", "BOOTS FOOTBALL". Don't think they ever got used. Played Hockey for Ganges 2nd XI and Blake Division though.
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Old 05-08-2009, 22:59
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Ganges lads... attention ... you need to have a look see at the Raleigh thread there's revolting going on me thinks...

Seems they might like to encourage a few crash drafts (of our raiding party) back here to the Shotley thread!!!

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Old 06-08-2009, 19:22
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76 (Monster) Recruitment April 1965. Annexe; Eagle Mess, CPO Brotherton and JI V Edwards, who I met again whilst in Flintham. He was then the Skipper of Dittisham.
Hawke 48, then 49 mess. Joint Class Hawke 236/7, Cy Madden and RS Adams.
Hawke Cross Country, Water Polo and Rugby. Ganges XV Rugby.
Joined the Bugle Band, and remained as long as I could carry the Leper status. Which was not too long.
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Old 06-08-2009, 20:02
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Feb 58 Annexe top r/h corner then over to Main (already advised)Hawke/Keppel.

2 XI soccer, x country (7 miles), 440/880yds track & field.

some pics:-


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Old 06-08-2009, 20:15
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I joined Ganges on the 12th August 1968 04 recruitment as a JASA in Frobisher 940 class which lasted 2 weeks when they gave another eye test as the doctor in Glasgow said I was short sighted in the left eye and I was transfered to the Seamanship class in Keppel 1 mess. Many years later I found both doctors in Glasgow and Ganges got it wrong I was short sighted in the right eye. I have included my Class photo I'm the handsome one 3rd left back row and the programme from the 1969 Parent's Day
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Sumo
What was the name of your D.O. He looks very familiar. Might have been my D.O in Duncan Div. 1966/67
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Old 07-08-2009, 09:26
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I'm sorry but I cannot remember his name as I have a crap memory for names but I can always remember a face from the past hence when I meet someone from the past I always use that age old scottish term of endearment '' Hi Ya buggerlugs hows it hanging''
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Old 10-08-2009, 20:40
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Reading your accounts of when you was there is in some cases mind blowing, hearing what some went through and how it turned you out, seems like that this Ara should be returned to it might do the youngsters of today some good.
I was Alas never in the Navy not through lack of trying, but i did go to Ganges on several occasions with the sea cadets both when it was open and after it closed, and i must admit even spending just a weekend there was inspiring to say the least, do not know if i could have been there weeks, but would love to had a chance.
It is a shame it had to close and end up like it is today, i still belive that we should have a naval base in the east,as there were a lot of you young lads who came from the eastern part of the country.
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Old 10-08-2009, 21:12
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In my opinion Ganges wasn't that bad, although as we progressed from there to our specialist training and then to our first ship things got better.

It certainly changed me. It did not start me smoking (Surprisingly at 15 we were allowed to smoke as long as it was in the drying room) or start me drinking. Those two things happened later when I met up with A/Bs & L/S and they dragged me down to their standard.

Ganges taught me how to look after myself and the discipline that got me through my time in the navy and after without ending up in D.Q.s or Prison. Ganges taught me to respect other people and how to live in close proximity to others. Ganges taught me how to swim and gave me the chance play Rugby and Cricket and mess about in boats. Ganges frightened me when looking up the mast and being told to start climbing. Although only the brave or foolhardy ever attempted to get to the button.

There was nothing like the excitement that us boys had when we were woken up at 3.30am to go home on leave and bussed to Ipswich to get our respective trains.

We felt big as we marched from the Annexe to the Main Establishment only to be knocked back when we found out that we were the lowest of the low and had to wait for new recruitments to come up behind us to give is, in today's terms, "Street Cred"

And didn't we feel big when we were issued with our "Sea Suits" (Nos. 1s) and those windproof/showerproof jackets, and returned our oilskins, and we wore them even when it was hot and sunny.

Boy did we feel big when we were the senior recruitment!!! Only to be knocked down again as soon as we reached our specialist training.

Didn't we feel good running around the parade ground with our .303 rifle above our heads!!, Marching to the Gym in our white sports gear, trying to march and hop over the puddles and then someone treading on our newly blanco'd plimsolls, Then the kind, gentle and friendly P.T.I.s said, "It's OK son, it could happen to anyone. But seeing it happened to you, go and hang off the wall bars for 15 minutes.

Yes, those were the days
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The last breakfast before leaving for Harwich and the train south. Still wearing the nylon jacket.

Everybody up, standby your beds, attache cases at arms lenght, boots on attache cases, on yer lockers, on oilskins and boots fall-in on the parade ground. Ubble 'arch until they thought you were tired enough to fall instantly asleep.

Milk in the summer, kai in the winter, and rock cakes that could have been used as shooting skeets.

We were super fit, and nothing could touch us. Well, most of us anyway. Some did, of course, fall by the wayside. But we got through, and weren't we the business marching past, on our passing-out parade, in our brand spanking new Billy Bernard's "Sea Suits", and a shiny gold branch badges.
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