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Old 18-03-2012, 14:02
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I see in todays Sunday Mail the the Navy is trialing new American style uniforms and baseball caps on HMS Daring, the new kit is "designed to be more versitile and adaptable to the different weather that the Navy encounters as it carries out its world wide operations"
I makes me wonder how the hell we managed in the 50's and 60's.

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Old 18-03-2012, 15:55
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I see in todays Sunday Mail the the Navy is trialing new American style uniforms and baseball caps on HMS Daring, the new kit is "designed to be more versitile and adaptable to the different weather that the Navy encounters as it carries out its world wide operations"
I makes me wonder how the hell we managed in the 50's and 60's.

Ron
Ye gawds!!! can you imagine a baseball cap with a chinstay sewn in especially for the foc'stle & flightdeck parties

Everywhere else is all 'stealthed' in isn't it

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Old 18-03-2012, 16:50
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They won't be able to forget what Navy/Ship they belong to, the new togs seem to be 'badge rich'....look out for collectables on ebay shortly!! In actual fact it looks pretty good!
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Old 18-03-2012, 18:29
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No dowt negociated by the carmaron kid last week
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Old 18-03-2012, 19:11
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To quote another sentence in the Sunday Mail today, "was designed to make it easier to get dressed quickly- essential for sailors who may have to be woken in the event of an incident" Many a GI will be turning in his grave at that statement, there is no greater incentive for dressing quickly than a very loud voice, no matter how easy or hard it is to get your kit on.

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Old 18-03-2012, 19:25
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This is a FIRST .......

British company won a 250,000 contract to manufacture it, and similar trials will take place on the frigate HMS Westminster and submarine HMS Talent.

Or have they sub-contract the manufacture to Chine ........
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Old 18-03-2012, 20:12
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If you look here and scroll down to the lower of the two photo's, the one with the skipper in his chair on the bridge.
Note the female on his left; wearing a Baseball Cap over the ears - what's that all about??? It's an item of uniform!!

In the other photo with the three crew members, all I will say is that all the wearers seem to have been allocated the new No 4 uniforms which appear to be too large for them.

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Old 18-03-2012, 20:16
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the rfank baadges warn on the front of the shirt is similar to army practice.
It makes a lot of sense.
as does the use of velcro

I reserve judgement on the baseball cap.

naval uniform has changed ever since it was ever used.
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Old 18-03-2012, 22:04
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Ok, from what I see of the uniform they look like an earlier design/version of an RAN uniform that was not accepted by us back in the mid 1990's.

As for the baseball cap...I have one RN cap from HMS Richmond from her cruise to Australia as part of Ocean Wave 97. Not bad.

Now, as someone that at one time had over 500 navy baseball caps from the world's navies, the brief look at 'The Telegraph' pic of an RN cap...

I'd buy it in a heartbeat, it is, for the most part, understated (bar the RN badge on the side) which is a good thing. Some caps (IMHO) can have too much sewn on or be poorly designed. That RN cap looks good.

Finally, I'd just like to leave you with these thoughts on navy baseball caps. They are a symbol of support for the navy. When you see a civilian wearing on, its a fair bet he toured the ship/base where they got it, and a safe bet that if they did not support the navy, they would not wear it.

In April 2001 USS Constellation was in Fremantle and held an open day. The ship knew they would be here and planned ahead. 35, 000 people toured the ship IN ONE DAY, and the ship sold over 5,000 Ballcaps alone at $10.00 US/$12.00 Aust. Many of the embarked squadrons sold out as well (Yes I spent over $300.00 at the Tomcat Squadron!) A great little earner. (Yes, sales of caps on destroyers and Frigates and supply ships are nearly just as good, just smaller)

When 9/11 happened, one of the interesting sights was the wearing of RAN/USN baseball caps to show their support for both the military and the US. This continued until just before the War in Iraq. At one time, it was estimated at one in every ten homes in Perth had a USN ballcap!

With the way the RN is being treated by your GOVT, ballcaps are a highly visible way for anyone to show support for the Royal Navy.

Just a thought!

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Old 19-03-2012, 00:52
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I have a USS Oklahoma cap I wear National Holidays to show support for the USN. It was given to me when I donated the flag.
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Old 19-03-2012, 01:31
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Getting back to the RN morphing into another navy via a uniform change, why don't the MOD(N) just declare that the fore and aft rig is defunct and reserve it for ceremonial occasions. Much like some regiments in the British Army have done for years.

Apart from the feeling that these caps look like an advertising gimmick, I have no difficulty in accepting them as an item of kit/headgear, but PLEASE lets have them worn in a 'uniform' manner. A Baseball Cap worn over the ears is not acceptable.

As for civilians wearing such items in support of the RN, well that is fine.

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Old 19-03-2012, 13:31
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While i was on the Arlingham at Gib [1974] we always wore berry,s while entering and leaving Coaling Island.Which i found very practical .
But to have baseball caps on ,when handling ropes and wires, on the upper deck ,when it,s blowing a gale ,No chine stays there then.

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Old 19-03-2012, 14:12
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These were the days!

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Old 23-03-2012, 15:45
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Norfolk is full of elderly exservicemen and women
They and their families all display some emblem of
past service or support for parents/grandparents
this often takes the form of a baseball cap.
I have a regular navy blue baseball cap with simple
RN crest on front which I will wear at any opportunity.
It always attracts conversation with other ancients and
RN supporters as well as keeping the sun out of my
eyes (when we have any).As you say it's ever progress
and anything to avoid carting those heavy tin cap boxes
around at the bottom of a kitbag has to be a good idea.
(No,I was not with Nelson- just shortly thereafter !)
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Old 23-03-2012, 19:48
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Baseball caps - No ! This is supposed to be the Royal Navy not MacDonalds.
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Old 23-03-2012, 21:03
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All military uniforms have changed over time.
The acid test is are the officers and crew comfortable with the new uniforms ?
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Old 24-03-2012, 09:16
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Just to clarify the Baseball Cap argument - Baseball Caps are NOT part of the issued No4's, they are purchased by the ships company individually, so when and where they are worn will be at the discretion of the CO/XO I guess.

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Old 24-03-2012, 09:47
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At one time it was a case "WE LEAD --YOU FOLLOW"now it seems that we are doing all the following,before long we will see our ships(that`s if we have any left) sporting campaign medal logo`s on the side of the bridge like the US ships, why stop at base ball caps why not go for the "Popeye" hats or change the part of ship such as the stern to "Fantail"---when is our navy going to get back to the old traditions instead of copying other navies.
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Old 24-03-2012, 11:01
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---when is our navy going to get back to the old traditions instead of copying other navies.
Ah, the "old traditions". Traditions like the Captain paying for a distinctive livery to be worn by members of his ship's company, tarred pigtails, press gangs, flogging round the fleet, keel-hauling, five-year commissions, living in hammocks at your action station, weevil-infested ship's biscuit and sailors being drunk at sea most of the time.

Or do you mean some of the ghastly innovations that have crept in more recently?
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Old 24-03-2012, 17:34
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How old do you think I am Rob,traditions we had in the 1950s-70s navy,where we dressed as navymen,had ships on every station, welcomed in every port, the rum ration and drafts to ships that were away from UK for 12 & 18 month periods where at least you got to know your shipmates not these 3-6 month so called commissions( a run around I of W then back to port)----hammocks, weevels in ship biscuits, sleeping at action stations and even the flogging was still there in 1956 where a boy seaman was caught stealing ----being drunk was`nt too bad either because the civvies took it as "jack" enjoying his shore leave---- when I was visiting Portsmouth a couple of years ago I never saw one navy man ashore in uniform,one time you could`nt move around the city without meeting one---maybe I`m old fashioned but I preferred the old navy .
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Old 24-03-2012, 18:11
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Aye Dave - we are of the same era and all you say is very true - however I remember (as you will) when zips were introduced in our serge uniforms - both jumper and trousers - now you can't tell me that was not a big improvement!!

I do though remember that some crusty old badgemen were sure that said zips would cause near fatal injuries to a certain appendage and also bemoaned the fact that we now did not have to wriggle into our jumpers like a weevil into a biscuit and then have to peel them off like a snake shedding its skin (no mean feat when you are a few sheets to the wind!)

Then when berets first came in - well it obviously heralded the second coming and Nelson himself would rise up and smite down the perpetrators of this sartorial crime!!

However - life went on much as normal

Darwin called it evolution!!
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Old 25-03-2012, 14:50
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When black peaked caps had white pique covers it was every stokers aim to beg an old one from a Stoker P.O.. If the cover was turned inside out for a short bit of the circumference it formed a peak, voila! like a base ball cap. What goes round comes round, as they say.
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Old 25-03-2012, 16:17
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From todays newspaper.
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Old 25-03-2012, 21:51
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The comment was made that "the rank badges worn on the front of the shirt is similar to army practice. It makes a lot of sense."

Surely it only makes sense if the person wearing that uniform is coming towards you. From behind you have no idea whereas epaulets or rank stripes etc on the arm are visible from all directions.
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Old 26-03-2012, 07:35
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The comment was made that "the rank badges worn on the front of the shirt is similar to army practice. It makes a lot of sense."

Surely it only makes sense if the person wearing that uniform is coming towards you. From behind you have no idea whereas epaulets or rank stripes etc on the arm are visible from all directions.


I could be wrong but I think arm flashes/ shoulder tabs are worn as well.


As far as I'm concerned the number one consideration with these things is practicality. hence my slight caveat about the head gear.

when the uniforms that are perhaps to be replaced were first introduced, I'm sure there were 'traditionalists' who objected to them.


edit: RN peersonnel already wear rank insignia on the front of their camouflage uniforms in afghanistan

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