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Old 16-09-2008, 21:29
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Here are a few more photos of HMS St Vincent. Some are of the Queens Birthday Parade and in one, in the far corner, you can just about make out the Royal Marines firing a salute by the smoke. I particularly like the marching Division for the QBP. That sort of drill would be good for a few of the layabouts society is now blessed with.
The Mast is shown bedecked with flags which probably said,'Give up hope all ye who enter here' or something like that!! I personally used to love climbing that mast and was up it as often as possible. I do believe it was a few feet taller than that at Ganges!
The Class being inspected is Anson 46 and yours truly is on the far right. I can name most of these boys if anyone is interested as also the photo on the previous thread.
My RN joining Form I thought might be interesting. 12 years signed away on the dotted line! Oh mother what would the PC lot think of that today?
Other photos are of the Anson Division Winners of the Field Gun Cups, Anson 46 Racing Cutter Crew (that was a laugh, we came in about 7th!!).

Enjoy.

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Old 16-09-2008, 21:49
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Interesting pics Chalky. Any chance of enlarging them to around 1200 pixels wide, the bigger the better, can't make out the detail or faces?
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Old 17-09-2008, 08:49
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I was a bit surprised when checking after posting that the photos had not enlarged properly. So I have adjusted them and so hopefully they will be OK this time. Thanks for your comment.
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Old 17-09-2008, 08:51
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It appears that even with adjusting the photographs to 1200 pixels wide they are still not enlarging properly. Any suggestions anyone please?
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Old 17-09-2008, 10:16
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Third time lucky one hopes.
First 3: The Queens Birthday Parade 11th June 1953.
4 & 5: Anson 46 Class Sunday Divisions 26th Juky 1953.
6 & 7: Anson 46 Class racing Cutter Crew and Clarence Yard Cutter Pens.
8: Dress Ship with Coronation Flags 2nd June 1953.
9: The Mast and Blocks which were all named after famous battles.
10: Anson Division A & B Field Gun Crews Winners of both Cups.

As I mentioned on a previous thread I can name quite a few of the boys in these photos.
Another 6 or so to come.
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Old 17-09-2008, 10:30
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Another 6 photographs.
1 2: Anson Division B Crew Field Gun Competition. Winners of the fastest Time
Cup.
3: Anson Division Field Gun Crews Winners of all Cups. I wonder where the Cup
and Field Gun Trophy are now? Divisional Officer Lt Cdr Stafford and on his
left CPO Ball. Yours truly just above the DO's head to the right with my
great mate at the time Paddy Stephens. I wonder where he is now.
4: Anson Division. Winners of the Sports Cup 11th July 1953.
5: Anson 46 Class being inspected at Sunday Divisions 26th July 1953. Yours
truly far right.
6: Boy White. HMS St Vincent 1953. And very proud of his uniform.
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Old 17-09-2008, 13:15
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Many thanks for the bigger pics Chalky, much better detail
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Old 17-09-2008, 15:14
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Good photo's Chalky.......

Does make you wonder what young lads today are missing really. Young Lads / Men need to use that pent-up energy in the manner that you and thousands of other youngsters use to. As a working class Lad growing up in post war Portsmouth you had about 3 choices after leaving school. Forces / Police/ Bad Boy...take your pick.
Still, that could be about to change with the announcement that the Armed Forces are so seriously undermanned that they are going to increase service numbers dramatically ie the RAF from 43,000 to 55,000 the Army by another 15,000 and the Navy by 5000 and they might let the Navy have some new ships as well!
The ouflow of personnel is so serious now they have actually decided to do something about it.
Horses and stable doors springs instantly to mind!
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Old 17-09-2008, 16:21
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Thanks for that Mel I agree with what you say. The most important thing taught at both HMS St Vincent and HMS Ganges to all those thousands of boys was DISCIPLINE. That is the most important thing lacking in the overwhelming majority of todays youth who respect nothing be it person, authority, property or whatever.

I had to grin at your quotes of increases in service numbers. With this lot in charge I doubt if they could come anywhere near those figures whatever scheme they came up with. Look at the lives which would have been saved during the Falklands campaign if Healey and his lot had not done away with the Fleet carriers in the 70's.The scrapping of my old ship Victorious was a disgrace and they could certainly have got a few more years out of Eagle to name but two. Ark Royal was scrapped but deployed down in the South Atlantic with a few Phantoms would have made the world of difference plus a number of AEW Gannets for early warning.
I reckon that wages for the armed forces would have to be doubled before any significant voluntary increase in numbers would be seen and I personally doubt even that would do the trick.
It would not even surprise me if the two new carriers currently ordered were not cancelled. Have you seen the You Tube skit on that subject? Hilarious.

The information on this web site is mind boggling isn't it.

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Old 17-09-2008, 16:28
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Great work Chalky I had every faith in you.
Don't forget the candidates acknowledgment form!

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Old 17-09-2008, 18:15
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Thanks for that reminder Bob I had clean forgotten about this Candidate's Acknowledgment Form. What a nice way to put it wasn't it, signing oneself away for 12 years!! Did they whisper the fact that it was for 12 years? The Chief at the Recruiting Office was kindly they didn't start shouting until one arrived at destination did they. Happy days though in retrospect and one certainly never ever again get the same comradeship as in the Navy, certainly not in the police service in which I spent 30 long years. Personally, it's probably nostalgia, but I'd go back to sea tomorrow if I could. Oh Well.....

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Old 18-09-2008, 15:50
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Could start a whole new thread on how we were all press ganged at a tender age....lol

My situation was similar to yours Chalky except I wasn't too smart enough to realise what was going on that time of attestation (RAF equvalent to your docs.)
I was only 16 and a bit when I joined up and I had absolutely no one to advise me on what to do really for the best.
When the Attestation Officer asked us Lads "What do you want to do 9 years or 12" I thought 9 years sounds good I'll only be 25'ish when I leave. The small detail of service only counts from the age of 18 was conveniently left out.
You had about 3 days to make up your mind before signing your life away and on the 3rd day I still wasn't too sure and I asked the Officer for some advice to which he replied " Well, Son, there is no terminal gratuity payable for 9 years service but if you sign for 12 years you get a 355 pay-out. That was the clincher for me. 12 years it was then and a King's ransom payable at the end of it.
Needless to say I had never heard of inflation!
.....and I never did get it either because I signed on for the "Royal Bundle" 22 years pensionable service.
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Old 18-09-2008, 16:39
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Thanks for that Mel. Isn't it absolutely amazing what a word, or a phrase, heard or read will unlock memories locked away for years.
I don't recall having a number of days to think it over before I signed the dotted line but probably there was as even in those distant days there must have been some regulation or law dealing with how authority such as the RN or RAF dealt with mere 15 year olds.
The sums of money you mention must have seemed like a small fortune. When I got to HMS St Vincent at Gosport we, as Boy Seamen, were paid the princely sum of 5 shillings and one had to line up in front of the officer dealing out the dosh, take ones cap off smartly, hold it out in front of you, when two half crowns were placed on the cap. Take the coins, on caps, salute, and leave. What a perfomance!
I also agree with the non mention of 'time served' not commencing until one reached 18 years of age. In my case I joined when I was 15 and those three years until 18 were served for love as they say. I then served for 7 years and was released to join the police service the 5 years Naval Reserve time being cancelled.
That, and armed forces service in general, in those distant times, caused lots of controversy as that time served did not count towards a pension if one changed to another occupation like the police service. Yet if a teacher or other civil servant joined the police that time did count they having paid a small sum into a pension scheme which was transferred. This thorny problem has reared it's head time and time again over the years but successive governments have treated the armed services of those days in the disgraceful mannner which they continue to follow in this respect in other matters, a flat refusal. I won't get into the medals debate and goverment refusal to recognise service such as RAF Bomber Command. At least someone, somewhere, had the energy to pursue the awarding of a Veterans lapel Badge but I wonder what obstacles were placed in the way of that submission until the badge was granted.

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I was a nozzer at vincent 1963 and joined 10th June with 59 enrty.
Have a good photo of all of us with names.
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From Buck
I was a Vincent Boy so much of a nozzer to most of you it seems
Joined 1963 as 59 entry (would like to hear from others).
Great reading and i agree with it all good times.
Left Vincent to Collingwood and was lucky to be in 160c building
on the edge. All great time I have a photo of some of our entry for anyone
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A nostalic look at HMS St Vincent, made me shudder to see the parade ground again after all these years.
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Big Al -
Thanks for the leads, I looked at the St. Vincent presentation and it took me back to 1946, when my cousin was there, but I must admit I had not seen them beat the retreat.
Before the war, we used to walk out to Eastney to see the marines beat the retreat; they had a very tall drum major and it was an education to see all his leads.
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Nice postcard of the gate into St. Vincent. Not sure of date.


Postcard from my personal collection.
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My Grandfather did his training at HMS St Vincent in 1929. Where would that have been?

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Hi Iain.HMS St Vincent was an RN Training establishment in Gosport Hampshire.It is now a Further Education College.Steve.
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Thanks Steve,

Would you know if there is still much to see there?

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Hi Iain. Yes. Though most of the old Barrack blocks are gone for new college buildings,the old Gym. Still exists,though somewhat derelict.The Main gate and Captains House,which are listed buildings still remain much as they would have looked back in the 1940's. Regards Steve. PS if you use Google Earth and zoom in on Gosport,you can see the establishment!
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It might have had the best fireworks, but that early morning dhobying was a killer.
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Thats a bit of a daft question
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Would not be a daft question if you were a bad boy.
You might still have the cane marks on your stern.

Mind you,,, it depends how bad.
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It might have had the best fireworks, but that early morning dhobying was a killer.
Not as bad as backward swimmers, do I recall a 6AM start, before breakfast?.
I could swim ok but not very good in a boiler suit.
I made the mistake of doing up the top button, when I got in the water it shrunk, after a length I was choking and because it was tight I could not undo the button.
I had to hold the edge while I pulled the button off and I got another six days for touching the side + a roloking for pulling off the button.

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