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Old 15-11-2016, 21:17
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Default Java and De Ruyter wrecks demolished?

I've read online that the two Dutch cruisers Java and De Ruyter have disappeared i.e demolished by illegal salvage.Has anybody else read/heard anything in regards to this? I'm shocked that ahead of the 75th anniversary that two substantial cruisers could could be demolished in such a way ( I assume by using explosives and grabs). I knew that HMAS Perth and USS Houston had suffered salvage but not these two cruisers as well. It makes me so angry,I wish that some of the onboard munitions had cooked off and took a few of these grave robbers with them.

I hope and pray that HMS Exeter remains undisturbed.
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Old 16-11-2016, 19:41
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I've read online that the two Dutch cruisers Java and De Ruyter have disappeared i.e demolished by illegal salvage.Has anybody else read/heard anything in regards to this? I'm shocked that ahead of the 75th anniversary that two substantial cruisers could could be demolished in such a way ( I assume by using explosives and grabs). I knew that HMAS Perth and USS Houston had suffered salvage but not these two cruisers as well. It makes me so angry,I wish that some of the onboard munitions had cooked off and took a few of these grave robbers with them.

I hope and pray that HMS Exeter remains undisturbed.
Here is a BBC link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37997640
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Old 17-11-2016, 12:45
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I hope and pray that HMS Exeter remains undisturbed.
By various accounts, she has also gone (from the BBC link)...

The Guardian says it has seen 3D images, showing large holes in the seabed where HMS Exeter, HMS Encounter, the destroyer HMS Electra, as well as a US submarine, used to be.

It has been happening for a very long time. I believe the screws/propellers from HMS Repulse & Prince of Wales have gone and much closer to home the wrecks of HMS Cressy, Aboukir Bay & Hogue (the 'Live Bait' Squadron) have been salvaged like this ever since the 1920's up to the current day (I believe the Government of the day actually sold the salvage rights for those 3 ships to a German company in the 1920's and currently it is a Dutch company that is plundering the wrecks.) If the MoD turns a blind eye to the events in waters close to home what hope is there for wrecks much further afield, especially as they have no resources to deal with it?

The article in Th Guardian also shows the 3D images of the seabed where the Exeter & Electra were...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...nging-java-sea

From the Guardian article:
Andy Brockman, an archaeologist and researcher in maritime crime, said the UK government had not done enough to stop undersea looting.
“My feeling is that the Ministry of Defence files the issue of taking active steps to protect historic Royal Navy wrecks under the heading of too difficult and too expensive,” he said.

Probably sums up the MoD attitude quite well.
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Old 17-11-2016, 21:32
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A sad state of affairs fore sure.
I would not mind having a turn raining some lead down on the responsible creatures for their plunderous ways.
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Old 19-11-2016, 10:07
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I posted the 3D bottom scan of where Exeter once lay in post 207 on this page;
http://www.worldnavalships.com/forum...?t=2166&page=9

Also the scans of where De Ruyter and Java once lay can be seen here on another forum;
http://www.network54.com/Forum/59451...s.+De+Ru yter

ALL completely gone!
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