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Old 17-05-2013, 23:14
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I had an opportunity on Wednesday this week to visit The Memorial at Cove, Poolewe, and it was well worth it.

It was very humbling to drive the 10 miles North of Poolewe to the Memorial on a single track road, then park at the bottom of the hill where the road ended.

I climbed the Hill, not knowing what to expect. To be honest, the view over the loch is spectacular.

The best thing, however, is that I was the only person there ! I took many photo's, and had the chance to look out and imagine how it must have been 70 years ago for those lad's as their ships sailed in before going North.

On the way back, I stopped at the local Shop in Poolewe and noticed 2 tourist tributes outside the shop telling the History of The Arctic Convoys.

One of the Tributes showed a large painting of HMS Ashanti, also saying that She was a regular visitor to Loch Ewe. I felt quite proud seeing that.

p.s. Anyone going to the Memorial, it's a good few miles North of Poolewe on a single track road. There are many military stops in between though, and best to plan your journey, take your time and take it all in (I wish I had the time).

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Old 22-05-2013, 19:58
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Dear All, i have miised some of your posts due to a snag with my computer, but thanks to advice from Terry to change my browser i can now access a lot of the missed stuff; this is just to assure you i am still here, still interested and once again, connected!
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Old 03-01-2014, 23:15
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Hi Tim,

After watching the Jeremy Clarkson PQ17 documentary last night, The RN Escorts must have been devastated at the "Scatter" command? Imagine leaving all those MN ships at the mercy of the enemy?

I was just wondering if your Father ever mentioned it all?

I hope the BBC do a follow up showing the effort on PQ18, especially after the RN, HMS Ashanti in particular, had been diverted to malta after PQ17 then straight back to The Arctic!

By the time the Crew of HMS Ashanti got back to Britain in Sep 42, they were soon on their way back to the Med and North Africa until June 43.

That must have been a helluva year for those guys? The more I research about Ashanti, the more I'm beginning to realise they were not "The Lucky" Ashanti - They were Professionals and battle hardened. I'm sure the expertise they got from the Mashona survivors helped Ashanti become a formidable opponent!

It's really heart warming to see the Arctic Convoy Operations being finally appreciated and recognised after all these years.

My Grampa never spoke to either myself nor my Dad about it, and it's only now I'm beginning to find out what he and his fellow comrades went through during that period in time.

My utmost respect to them all, they all deserve it.
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Old 04-01-2014, 13:51
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I watched the programme which i thought was not bad, in fact well done but of course there was much left out; when the convoy was ordered to scatter it was for what was assumed at the time to be in response to a very "real" threat from the Tirpitz. The convoy scattered but the escorts did not withdraw, straight back home and a cosy fireside. They went in search of the Tirpitz to head it off and do battle, tragically the Tirpitz was never there, having left her fjord,ran into dense fog and returned, unfortunately the watchers on the shore only saw her go out, not return thanks to the fog.
The men of the RN were in shock at the orders from the Admiralty but could not ignore the order or make up their own alternative orders. The escort commander, Jackie Broome never go over the disaster, it blighted his life until he died. Roger Hill of the Ledbury used it as his justification for taking his ship into the flames to save the Waimarama crew after she was bombed, set ablaze and sunk on Pedestal, just 4 weeks later. Ashanti was escorting Belfast some 600 miles to the North and West of the convoy and so never a part of the escort. The programme also left out the others of the escort, like Ulster Queen, Zamalek, who stayed with the merchantmen and helped them as much as they could, they left out the brave girls of the Russian tanker Azerbaijan which altho torpedoed still shot down a bomber and make it home to Kola.......and so on.
For most of the escorts it was, as you say, a quick turn-round and then straight to the Med to escort Pedestal through to Malta. Ashanti never touched Malta, about 10 miles out the local forces took over and they came directly back to Gib to refuel and re-ammunition before returning to Scapa and the escort of PQ18 in September. It was the return convoy, again, met at sea so no feet on dry land, QP14 on which poor Somali met her final fate, and it was on this journey that Stokers Wylie and Payne worked up to their shoulders in the arctic water in the motor boat to bring power to Somali's pumps. For a while they even found themselves adrift in the Arc tic wehn the motor conked out and the Ashanti/Somali crept away towards the horizon, unable to manoevre under tow. Fortunately the two stokers got it running again and they were able to return to the Ashanti.
They were, as you say, brave and dedicated seamen of the highest calibre, and very young.
It should also be remembered that the losses on PQ17 were some 25% of ALL the losses of all the Arctic convoys, so terrible as it was, they were indeed a great overall success. There is something about great tragedy that fascinates people, Titanic-syndrome, I hope also PQ18, the revenge for 17, will be a future feature, but somehow i doubt it!
All very best
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Old 04-01-2014, 13:58
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i should have added, if you send me your normal email i can send you lots of stuff on Ashanti; i am in touch with the Goad family, it was 20-year old Bill Goad that dived into the freezing sea to rescue Colin Maud of the Somali when she sunk, i have just sent them lots of stuff so easy to forward on to you as well.
Bill Goad was awarded the Albert Medal for saving Maud, later he was offered to change it for the George Cross but volunteered not to do so. The Goad family just sent me a photo of the clock that Maud later gave to Bill Goad, it bears the simple inscription "Thanks Chum" and Maud's signature.
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Old 04-01-2014, 21:56
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Thanks Tim,

Sent as requested,
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Old 27-07-2014, 20:39
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Quick update. Received Grampa's Arctic Star a few weeks ago. I missed the postman by a few seconds, and received a notice saying I had to go to the Post Office the next day to sign for a parcel.

I went down the next day thinking it was something my wife had ordered, but when I saw the Innsworth postmark, I quickly realised what it was.

He's not around anymore to have received it himself, and I'm not too sure he would have actually wanted to apply for it if he was, having now learnt so much about his life before, during and after his Royal Navy career.

I think I now know why Terry Lewin described him as "The absolute rascal!" His early years were tough, and he (the eldest) and his 2 younger brothers and 2 sisters had a hard life at home in the late 1920's and early 30's in Glasgow. Eventually, they were all fostered out to the North of Scotland as youngsters.

I now know that Grampa used to protect his siblings as if he was the head of the family, being the eldest one. He grew up quickly as a young teenager and learnt how to survive in a tough environment, using both humour and strength to get him through.

I think he took both those attributes into the RN with him when he joined up in 1936.

As I said previously, he sold his DSM straight after the war and never spoke about the war to either my dad nor myself. I'm not sure if he spoke about it with his brothers, but we'll never know now.

I'd love to find out where his DSM is now. Can anyone help?

Thanks
Craig
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Old 02-04-2017, 13:48
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My sister came across this photo, it's dated 11th Nov 39 on the back, so presumably taken at a remembrance Day memorial.

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Old 02-04-2017, 15:17
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My sister came across this photo, it's dated 11th Nov 39 on the back, so presumably taken at a remembrance Day memorial.

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There are at least eight occasions when he would wear Pembroke on his cap tally. The date above would have coincided with the third occasion.

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Old 02-04-2017, 21:35
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Thanks Jim,

Can you expand on the "3rd occasion", I'm a bit confused?

He was actually at Pembroke between 6 Sep 39 and 26 Feb 40.

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Old 03-04-2017, 15:12
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Sorry Craig, I can't count, I should have said fourth occasion:

Pembroke Stoker 1st Class from 6th September 1939 until 26th February 1940

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Old 03-04-2017, 16:02
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I remember serving with a Stoker called Wylie aboard the Whitesand Bay in 54/5--any relation to you Craig---he was a right character always playing tricks on his mates or offering to show the young "sprog " stokers the "Golden Rivet"
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Old 04-04-2017, 20:36
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Sorry Jim,

I was getting mixed up as well, I was thinking along the lines of 8 separate commemorations, Remembrance Day being one of them.
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Old 04-04-2017, 21:26
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Do you think that's a poppy on his hat?

Ceylon220, I don't know your Wylie, but he might well have inherited my Grampa's Genes down the line? He sounds just like him!

Your "Sprog" reference brings back memories, we also used it in the RAF. I well remember being sent for a "Left handed screwdriver" or going to look for a "Long weight!"

Happy days :-)

He would have been 100 years old on the 6th Jan this year, and I've found out a lot about him over the last few years, a lot of it due to Tim to whom I owe a huge thanks, your Dad's memoir's are amazing and humble.

The "Long Tow" back then between 20 Sep and 24 Sep 1942 must have left many memories for all those involved in Somali and Ashanti at the time.

Doing the Arctic Convoy's was a hard job, those guy's have my total admiration!

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Old 04-04-2017, 21:55
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I don't think he is wearing a poppy in his hat in the photo. It looks like the bow in the black ribbon. It shows him wearing the badge of a Stoker 1st class ( a star above the propellor).

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Old 18-04-2017, 20:44
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Dear Craig, if you have time you might enjoy a return to Loch Ewe over the weekend of 6-7th May to meet some of the Russian Arctic veterans who are coming over to celebrate VE day, these are all contempories of you "Illustrious Stoker" Wylie and I am sure would love to share a tot with you. If you go to the Russian Convoys thread there is some info on this but in the next few days I will post the full programme. The Museum there has grown and I have given them some of my Ashanti memorabilia, much better shared than hidden in my house.
With warmest greetings to you and of course your memories, we are "related" by our common history. I still speak with Fred Jewett, who knew the real stoker Wylie well, I think Fred is the last surviving member of that lucky ship, and one of my inspirations for doing what I do. I will remember you to him. If you might care to write to him I will happily forward your letter if you send it to me (big print please!)
Steady as she goes
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Old 10-11-2017, 22:03
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With very grateful thanks to Ed Chatwin, and his very special father Albert H Chatwin, I've attached a photo of my Grandfather and Albert together on Ashanti.

I hope you don't mind, Ed, I think it's a great photograph of the cameradie that was on Ashanti in that period, and I am really chuffed and will treasure it!

"Stoker's together"

Thank you so much Ed for sharing it with me!

I presume it was not on an Arctic Convoy, as they are both not shivering!

Maybe on the way to Malta on Op Pedestal or on the way back?

It's quite funny, the way my Grandfather has written his name on his belt is the same style my own Dad used to write?

It's really uplifting to put a young face to your Grandfather/ Father back in those dark days, especially at Remembrance time in November?

Lest we forget, I don't think we ever will!

They were truly heroes, and I thank them all for it and for what we have today thanks to them!

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Old 14-11-2017, 06:52
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well done Craig, Ed kindly send me these pictures a while back, I am pretty sure they are from the Med, and most likely the Pedestal convoy. There are others in the series which maybe Ed has sent you as well?
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Old 16-11-2017, 23:25
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Dear Tim,

Yes, Ed's a Top Man, I'm really amazed by the amount of photo's he has of the Ashanti crew back then.

He sent me quite a few and was going to get back with names to the faces, but I haven't heard back from him. His Father, Albert, had everything well documented in his album, and Ed has looked after his legacy brilliantly!

I will email Ed again and ask his permission to post his photo's on the forum, they are really good. God bless the old "Brownie" Box Camera!

It's really funny, but I tried to contact him back in 2012 via the Time Capsules site here http://www.time-capsules.co.uk/pictu...n-Malta-Convoy as you can see, and Ed replied back in 2014 saying he tried to upload the photo I attached above, but Time Capsules said it was too personal to upload.

Then, by chance a few months ago in 2017, I saw Ed's reply saying to email him. I'm glad I came across the Time Capsules site again and got his message 3 years later!

If I get his permission, I'll certainly post the photo's he sent me. He was actually looking for a photo of a Stoker called "Hattie", a fellow Scot and friend of my Grandfather.

This was after Fred Jewett sent me a really nice letter about the Arctic Convoy's. Fred said he remembered my Grandfather's name and mentioned that his pal was a fellow Stoker from Scotland called "Hattie"

I can imagine them being a right "Double Act"?

I'll be in touch later once I've contacted Ed again.

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Old 17-11-2017, 07:04
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that would be excellent, I plan to rescan my "snaps" of the period with my newer scanner, when I did it a while back scanners were not as good. I remember the very few pictures of Somali torpedoed and under tow by Ashanti were from Ed's collection as well, priceless photos.
Well done for reconnecting with Ed.
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File Type: jpg Ashanti at Bone xmas 42 Onslow recieves recall and promotion from Lt Lewin 2.jpg (294.1 KB, 7 views)
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File Type: jpg Ashanti Burgerr Longhurst & Smarden Lost in Somali 42.jpg (97.6 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg Ashanti, lewin on bridge 43.jpg (49.6 KB, 5 views)
File Type: jpg Ashanti whitsand bay beach party 44.jpg (224.9 KB, 2 views)
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Old 17-11-2017, 20:29
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that would be excellent, I plan to rescan my "snaps" of the period with my newer scanner, when I did it a while back scanners were not as good. I remember the very few pictures of Somali torpedoed and under tow by Ashanti were from Ed's collection as well, priceless photos.
Well done for reconnecting with Ed.
tim
Lovely set of photos Tim.
Don't forget to rescan them large, at 300dpi, but you will probably need another high capacity hard disc drive as well.

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Thanks Jim, more than that I need time! what with planning the Canadian hoolie for 18th Dec onboard HMSB, and the 80th birthday bash in March, Victory Day in May, and earning my modest shilling I don't know where it all goes....
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