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Old 22-10-2014, 19:41
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Thanks BlackBat for bringing me up to speed. cadillac811
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Old 22-10-2014, 22:28
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Apparently, from reports their carrier had a wee bit of a power plant problem recently. It caused a temporary loss of power. Perhaps the PLAN should take a page from Russia's carrier: always followed by a huge tug in case of power plant break down! DFO

From BUSINESS INSIDER:
"China's Only Aircraft Carrier Is Having Some Technical Difficulties



China has developed some impressive defense capabilities in recent years. But one of its flagship achievements has had some notable technical problems in recent weeks.

As Robert Beckhusen explained at War is Boring, the Liaoning, China's sole aircraft carrier, unexpectedly powered down during a sea trial last week. The vessel "appeared to suffer a steam explosion which temporarily knocked out the carrier’s electrical power system," Beckhusen wrote, citing a Chinese-language media report (which is summarized at Asia Defense News).

Beckhusen notes these sorts of failures aren't unheard of on Soviet-built carriers of the late 1980s — before it was the Lianoning, China's carrier was called the Varyag, and carriers of its class haven't aged particularly well.

"The 40,000-ton displacement Indian carrier Vikramaditya—first a Soviet Kiev-class carrier commissioned in 1987 and sold in 2004 — temporarily shut down at sea after a boiler overheated two years ago," Beckhusen recalls, adding that "the 50,000-ton Russian carrier Admiral Kuznetsov goes nowhere without a tug escort in case her engines break down while underway."

The Lianoning's troubles reveal an important tension within China's defense outlook.

China wants to be a major conventional power. No country goes through the trouble of acquiring a half-operable carrier, or developing simultaneous models of stealth jet, if it doesn't have hopes of becoming one of the globe's leading military powers. Simply pursuing these sorts of projects reveals an undeniable depth of commitment towards keeping pace with the US, which has multiple carrier groups in the Pacific at a given time, and has been developing its own advanced fighter, the troubled F-35, for years.

But China's current military advantages are actually asymmetrical. In other words, capabilities meant to quickly and expediently close the gap between China and the US without having to build up China's order of battle to identical level, even if that means breaking some broadly-accepted rules of how states should behave.

So China's military hacks cyber targets throughout the world, and builds weaponry that few other countries would — things like anti-satellite systems, or missiles capable of carrying nearly a dozen nuclear warheads.

The fact that China even has an aircraft carrier is a reminder that Beijing wants to be a conventional power on par with the US. But the Lianoning's recent problems also show China is still far behind the US as a military power — something that might only make its actions less predictable and more worrisome as Beijing progresses towards super-power status."
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Old 31-12-2015, 04:39
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http://news.usni.org/2015/12/29/vide...ier-operations

Flight operations aboard aircraft carrier Liaoning
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Old 02-01-2017, 16:24
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Now the PLAN can take "beauty" shots of a carrier battle group, too! Also, one must note; with ever more capable escorts on and below the sea's surface.

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Old 05-01-2017, 14:23
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DFO: There is a peer competitor in the not so far "Far East". Countries bordering the Pacific and Indian Oceans would be well advised to take heed of China's emergence as a significant naval player in both Oceans. They also have intentions of sailing the other oceans as well. We have seen them in the Atlantic and Med in recent years.
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Old 05-01-2017, 19:35
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The PLAN is currently the #2 naval power in the world, and moving up. Their obvious intent to become a blue water force is very obvious; they are rapidly building both the ships and methodology to use them that should cause concern among other Countries.

Their actions are speaking quite loudly already in the SCS.

It will be interesting to see their second carrier, and even more so, #3! DFO
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Old 22-01-2017, 16:07
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Another, recent, view of CV-001A, available on net. One can already see changes on island compared to first unit; supposedly she will have room for more planes, too...........DFO
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Old 26-04-2017, 19:17
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The launch of China's new carrier:

(From USNI News)

China Launches First Domestic Aircraft Carrier

"China has launched its first domestically built aircraft carrier in a ceremony at a northern Chinese shipyard on Wednesday.

The 50,000-ton Type-001A carrier was launched in a flurry of ticker tape and confetti from its dry dock at the Dalian Shipyard just after 9 A.M. local time on Wednesday (9 P.M. EDT, Tuesday)
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https://news.usni.org/2017/04/26/vid...eid=16a91ff72c
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Old 26-04-2017, 22:12
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Looks like a modified Soviet ship. Not particularly impressive to the eye. But we shall see through use, if that is a false assumption?
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Old 29-06-2017, 15:19
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Yesterday the PLAN's largest, most heavily armed CV escort was launched: Type 055A..........

Originally termed a "cruiser" in Western press, now demoted to a large destroyer. Probably has SSMs that outrange those of USN; of course their Type 056 corvettes do, too! DFO
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Old 21-09-2017, 21:38
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Fitting out continues on PLAN's second carrier. Note type 382 3D radar on top of her mast. DFO
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Old 11-01-2018, 23:59
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A big accommodation ship has pulled in by CV-001A. Trials to start soon??

Now where is their 3rd carrier; which is reportedly under construction....with cats? DFO
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A big accommodation ship has pulled in by CV-001A. Trials to start soon??

Now where is their 3rd carrier; which is reportedly under construction....with cats? DFO

Well, it appears her powerplant is fired up, by the smoke in that pic.
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Old 12-01-2018, 07:36
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Discounting the limitations of STOBAR operation I still think they are a nice looking ship, certainty more pleasant to the eye than the UK CV. But looks don't necessarily make a better fighting ship
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Old 12-01-2018, 14:38
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Discounting the limitations of STOBAR operation I still think they are a nice looking ship, certainty more pleasant to the eye than the UK CV. But looks don't necessarily make a better fighting ship
Ypur point has made me think...

Are our latest so called aircraft carriers built along the lines of a warship, or are they constructed to conform more along the lines of merchant vessels which require far less damage control, redundancy systems etc?

Will the Chinese eventually have carriers fitted with both cats and traps? I believe they have an old Australian carrier along with the technical drawings?? should they ever decide to go down that very sensible path.
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Old 13-01-2018, 04:32
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Ypur point has made me think...

Are our latest so called aircraft carriers built along the lines of a warship, or are they constructed to conform more along the lines of merchant vessels which require far less damage control, redundancy systems etc?
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being your from Devon I take it your referring to the UK CV's

Lloyds Register principles have been applied to the design of the QE Class and this is the first class of UK warships which have been designed from the start using Lloyds Naval Ship Rules for Systems & Structural Design as well as Lloyds commercial rules for equipment procurement.

I don't know what classification the Chinese use.


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Will the Chinese eventually have carriers fitted with both cats and traps? I believe they have an old Australian carrier along with the technical drawings?? should they ever decide to go down that very sensible path.
I lead to believe she is now scrapped, but yes its true she was held back from the breakers whilst they studied her in detail minus a lot of classified gear. Story goes at one time they asked for her plans as well and the cats & trap design plans, suffice to say they did not receive them

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Old 13-01-2018, 04:43
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Everything I have read says that Melbourne was scrapped well before the end of the 1990s (despite rumors she lasted until 2002). However, her catapult & arresting gear were definitely pulled out and studied, and "probably" installed at a land test facility.

China has 2 former Soviet/Russian carriers that are operating as museums/etc - Kiev & Minsk. These had neither catapult, arresting gear, nor ski jump - they operated helos and the Yak-38 VTOL aircraft, which took off and landed vertically only.
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Many thanks to both Blackbat242 and Ranfan for clarifying some very interesting points about the Australian aircraft carrier and from what you are both saying, the Chinese were interested in her cats and traps and I am now asking myself a further question.

The Chinese purchased a number of foreign carriers and would it be fair to suggest they did this to get better educated regarding design, and construction of these ships?

I have yet to see footage of a fully laden strike fighter taking off from a Russian carrier and I wonder if we will see heavily laden aircraft taking off from the Chinese option. Muttering to myself.... Will we see fully laden British aircraft landing on British carriers?

Thank you again to both Blackbat242 and Ranfan.
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Old 13-01-2018, 22:18
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Many thanks to both Blackbat242 and Ranfan for clarifying some very interesting points about the Australian aircraft carrier
No problems, Assail may have a more unique comment on the subject

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The Chinese purchased a number of foreign carriers and would it be fair to suggest they did this to get better educated regarding design, and construction of these ships?
the Chinese are certainty not silly, its the old saying "one mans trash is another's treasure"


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I have yet to see footage of a fully laden strike fighter taking off from a Russian carrier and I wonder if we will see heavily laden aircraft taking off from the Chinese option. Muttering to myself.... Will we see fully laden British aircraft landing on British carriers?
The Chinese have stated that their ultimate goal is for a CATOBAR carrier, Liaoning is basically a training carrier to get their feet wet in the carrier game, its main function is as a training aid in all functions of a carrier at sea, from deck handling to maintenance of aircraft,

STOBAR carriers by design are limited by weigh constructs in operating from carriers at sea without assisted take offs, the trade off is less infrastructure and maintenance costs but also either combat weight of launching aircraft or range without organic AAR aircraft, this can be overcome with long-range AAR aircraft

The Type 001A is an improved version of the Russian design with larger fuel and explosive ordnance storage. But the design has not improved its combat capability for blue water operations, it lacks organic AAR,AEW and COD aircraft Type 002 design should remedy these deficiencies.
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Progress continues with CV-001A. Today, apparently, her boilers were lit off......DFO
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Progress continues with CV-001A. Today, apparently, her boilers were lit off......DFO
My Lord - she looks like Russia's Admiral Kuznetsov (smokewise that is!)
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