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Old 18-01-2017, 15:52
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As if our shipbuilding programme wasn't in enough trouble already!

(From CBC News)

Suspended vice-admiral being investigated for alleged leak of classified shipbuilding data

"An allegation that Canada's second-highest ranked military commander leaked classified technical information related to the country's shipbuilding program is being investigated by the RCMP, CBC News has confirmed."

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/norm...leak-1.3939685
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Old 19-01-2017, 01:13
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As if our shipbuilding programme wasn't in enough trouble already!

(From CBC News)

Suspended vice-admiral being investigated for alleged leak of classified shipbuilding data

"An allegation that Canada's second-highest ranked military commander leaked classified technical information related to the country's shipbuilding program is being investigated by the RCMP, CBC News has confirmed."

Complete article here:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/norm...leak-1.3939685
The report was troubling in that the accusation was that he released some data, presumably to prospective suppliers, as to what the RCN wanted for its frigate capabilities. I would have thought this would be given to them so they could respond?
Second, he is reported as a straight shooter so he probably told both the previous and the current governments what he thought of the acquisition processes.
An interesting development.
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Old 20-01-2017, 07:53
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There's always a hidden story to headlines such as this, and if one "sniffs the air" carefully,the very familiar stench of politics may be detected...

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Old 20-01-2017, 14:20
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There's always a hidden story to headlines such as this, and if one "sniffs the air" carefully,the very familiar stench of politics may be detected...

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How so Dan?
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Old 23-01-2017, 07:53
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Tim: I suspect it is politics internal to the defence department that is the root of this situation. I think the VAdm is wearing it for his "light hearted" attitude, for example, his assessment of damage to the SSK Corner Brook, when she grounded whilst submerged, was little more than a "fender bender". Some "fender bender", she will not return to service until 2018, two years later than originally announced and about four years after the event. One cannot be too cavalier about serious events. He did this on a news interview with CBC television.

It is a sad state of affairs and comes at a time when we will be under heavy pressure from down south to do more for defence. The navy and air force should be playing their best game as the federal government will have to be seen to be upping our defence game, at least in the defence of Canada and North America.

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Old 03-04-2017, 16:37
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Finally, some information on the suspension of VAdm Norman:

(From the Ottawa Citizen)

RCMP probe that led to Vice-Admiral Mark Norman’s removal is focused on $700 million supply ship

"The RCMP probe that led to the removal of Vice-Admiral Mark Norman as the Canadian military’s second-in-command also involves a high-powered defence industry lobbyist in Ottawa and an executive with a firm affiliated with a Quebec shipyard.

Multiple sources have confirmed the RCMP’s investigation is focused mainly on Project Resolve, a $700-million plan to provide the Royal Canadian Navy with a much-needed supply and refuelling ship.
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Old 03-04-2017, 23:22
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Finally, some information on the suspension of VAdm Norman:

(From the Ottawa Citizen)

RCMP probe that led to Vice-Admiral Mark Norman’s removal is focused on $700 million supply ship

"The RCMP probe that led to the removal of Vice-Admiral Mark Norman as the Canadian military’s second-in-command also involves a high-powered defence industry lobbyist in Ottawa and an executive with a firm affiliated with a Quebec shipyard.

Multiple sources have confirmed the RCMP’s investigation is focused mainly on Project Resolve, a $700-million plan to provide the Royal Canadian Navy with a much-needed supply and refuelling ship.
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http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/na...951/story.html
If he is found guilty it seems his crime was to do everything in his power to enhance the defence of the country by forcing the govt to stop its embarrassing halt to Project Resolve. A whole bunch of political hacks being embarrassed by a man who has spent his entire professional life serving his country.

Anyhow that's how it seems to me from the link provided. Who'd want to aspire to the senior ranks if this is how they get rewarded?
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Old 06-04-2017, 18:51
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I think that most people in the Canadian naval community would share the Admiral's sentiment that he was " "exhausted" by the internal political, bureaucratic and corporate battles:"

(From CBC News)

"The military's embattled second-in-command considered resigning when he was head of the Royal Canadian Navy, over what he perceived was political interference from the newly elected Liberal government, CBC News has learned.

Vice-Admiral Mark Norman's frustration hit the boiling point during one weekend in late November 2015, days after a series of leaks about the troubled national shipbuilding program.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/admi...tion-1.4057763
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Old 08-04-2017, 00:00
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Tim: And today we learn that the Minister in charge of procurement has taken a leave of absence for personal and family reasons. I think the exhaustion experienced by the Vice Admiral is spreading. This will cause more turmoil in the federal government. The federal procurement system seems to be completely dysfunctional.
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Old 08-04-2017, 00:30
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Tim: And today we learn that the Minister in charge of procurement has taken a leave of absence for personal and family reasons. I think the exhaustion experienced by the Vice Admiral is spreading. This will cause more turmoil in the federal government. The federal procurement system seems to be completely dysfunctional.
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As, it would appear, is the federal government as a whole!!!
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Old 19-04-2017, 12:13
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And just to muddy the waters even further ...

(From CBC News)

Why did the Liberals in leaky old Ottawa get so angry about shipbuilding stories?

"One of the most curious aspects of the criminal investigation involving Vice-Admiral Mark Norman — whom the RCMP suspects of breach of trust and disclosing cabinets secrets — is the notion that one particular leak, involving the navy's deal to acquire a temporary supply ship, stood out among all of the other leaks that flood Canada's capital on a weekly basis."

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Tim: There are no winners in this fiasco turned witch hunt. Our procurement system is so broken that nothing, including a novel procurement idea, can succeed.
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Old 20-04-2017, 07:10
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The Vice Admiral will probably turn up trumps when he scores a directorship on the shipbuilders' board just after he banks his pension payout.
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The Vice Admiral will probably turn up trumps when he scores a directorship on the shipbuilders' board just after he banks his pension payout.
This mans entire naval career and his reputation have been fatally damaged by this incident. There is no justification for pettiness in further besmirching his reputation.
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This mans entire naval career and his reputation have been fatally damaged by this incident. There is no justification for pettiness in further besmirching his reputation.
Absolutely right Assail - this is a man who is highly respected by his peers and subordinates alike and whose code of ethics and personal integrity have never been in question.

Insinuations such as that made above are completely unjustified and beyond contempt.
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Old 26-04-2017, 19:45
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This just keeps getting messier and messier:

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RCMP allege Vice-Admiral Norman fed cabinet secrets to Quebec shipbuilder

"The RCMP are accusing the military's second-in-command of passing cabinet secrets to a Quebec shipping executive in a cosy relationship meant to advance a navy project he "personally" favoured, according to a newly unsealed search warrant."

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Tim: It is often said that, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." Sadly, this is where we are now with naval programs in Canada.
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Old 27-04-2017, 02:42
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It's beginning to be quite clear from news releases here and on another forum that Norman had become so disillusioned by self serving, ponderous politicians with little,interest in Canadian defence. He saw them as destroying the capability of the RCN to remain a blue water navy and so he decided to risk his career and actively promote an expedient solution to the supply ship problem.

The RCN should hail him as a true champion for their cause.
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Old 28-04-2017, 12:24
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It's beginning to be quite clear from news releases here and on another forum that Norman had become so disillusioned by self serving, ponderous politicians with little,interest in Canadian defence. He saw them as destroying the capability of the RCN to remain a blue water navy and so he decided to risk his career and actively promote an expedient solution to the supply ship problem.

The RCN should hail him as a true champion for their cause.
Further to the above. The politics is shameful.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/national/david+pugliese+trial+vice+admiral+mark+norman+coul d+prove/13328848/story.html
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This is the Canadian Defence Review's take on the Norman affair and it aligns closely with my thoughts from previous posts, not through some priveldged inside view on my part but from a deep belief that dedicated naval officers who reach the pinnacle in their field simply don't act in any way other than for the good of their service.

http://www.canadiandefencereview.com/news?news/2265
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