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Old 02-02-2011, 16:27
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Old 02-02-2011, 17:55
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That is so embassing for India. I hope nobody was killed or injured.

We will see in due course how it happened.

A reminder to ex-matelots that there was only 3/8 inch mild steel between us and the 'oggin'

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Old 06-02-2011, 00:09
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Ths video was taken by a relative moments before the cojjision :

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/new...on-fire/189725
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Old 06-02-2011, 03:00
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Quite a video, thanks for posting.
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Old 06-02-2011, 04:56
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Wow!!! - thanks Brian
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Old 06-02-2011, 10:35
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It would appear that the pilot/skipper/OOW of the INS ship was not looking, as that collision was avoidable.
Perhaps forum member 'Old Salt' would like to comment seeing that Colregs are being discussed elsewhere on the forum.

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Old 06-02-2011, 13:46
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Jack, Colregs? does it mean collision regulations? I think the comment was meant for the other Oldsalt. This Oldsalt was in the Engineering Branch.
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Old 06-02-2011, 18:50
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An initial observation from the video on the "Collision Regs' thread ..... the IN ship was underway .... the merchant ship was on her starboard side ... the IN ship was the 'give way' vessel .

Unless there are other circumstances of which we are unaware ? For instance, the movements of the merchant vessel ?
The inquiry will reveal all, but for me the IN ship is looking very much the guilty party.

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Looks avoidable to me!
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Old 06-02-2011, 23:08
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It is certainly an odd story:

From Lloyds List

London, Feb 2
A press report, dated Feb 1 states: Senior officers in the naval headquarters were embarrassed and were still trying today to map the sequence of events that led to the sinking of the frigate, the INS Vindhyagiri, off Mumbai. Two inquiries have been ordered, one by the director-general of shipping and the other by the Western Naval Command.But even before the findings, there are suggestions that the Vindhyagiri lost its way in the buzz of communication between two merchant vessels, the fully cellular containership Nordlake and the Sea Eagle, each heavier than the frigate. In the sequence of eventsnarrated by one navy source, the Nordlake and the Sea Eagle were in communication over the radio. The Vindhyagiri was listening in. The Sea Eagle was sailing behind the Vindhyagiri and both were heading into port while the Nordlake was heading out. According to the "rules of the road", the officer said, when two ships are approaching from opposite directions, they should be sailing past keeping each to the left of the other. However, the Nordlake and the Sea Eagle agreed over the radio that because of their positions, they would sail to the right of each other. The Vindhyagiri was still ahead of the Sea Eagle, which was attempting to overtake it. At the last minute, however, the Nordlake decided to go by the book and turned towards the Vindhyagiri.The warship's crew had little time to respond and the vessel was hit. The Nordlake cut a hole into its starboard and water gushed into the frigate. The navy still had time to tow the Vindhyagiri to a berth when a fire broke out in the engine-room. While the personnel hosed the engine-room, water continued to build up inside the ship and it started sinking. The navy waited as the coast guard was asked to stand by, and evacuated the crew and sailors. "This is what we know so far, but we are looking into the details of the communication, the functioning of the vessel traffic monitoring system and what kind of confusion resulted from the "cross-talk"," the officer said. The Vindhyagiri is now resting on the seabed with its mast visible. "The recovery process is on," a navy source said. "We have started pumping water out of the ship." When contacted this evening, coast guard spokesperson Mukesh Purohit said in Mumbai: "The oil spillage has been contained now. No further spillage has been reported today. A river boom has been put around the ship to collect the oil. The DG (director-general) shipping has convened a meeting of all agencies tomorrow to begin investigations into the incident."
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Thanks for that, it certainly was avoidable. Like I said, there were other circumstances. It seems there were two more Rules to consider :

(a) Keep to Starboard in a channel
(b) Overtaking

Maybe more ? We shall see.

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Now we are starting to get a better picture !
Another more senior frigate C.O. was in charge of the two frigates entering harbour in company. In this case the senior ship is required to look out for the safety of all ships under his control. However the final responsibility rests with the C.O. of each ship who may take independent action to avoid danger. No doubt the Egyption Navy will be taking a hard look at this case.

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Did 2nd truant warship lead to collision on sea?V Narayan & Manthan K Mehta, TNN, Feb 5, 2011, 12.13am IST

MUMBAI: Investigators probing Sunday's collision between foreign vessel MV Nordlake and naval warship INS Vindhyagiri suspect that the failure of another warship from the convoy to follow navigational protocol caused the accident.

An official from the Yellow Gate police station said, "Prima facie, it appears that another Indian warship (INS Godavari) sailing ahead of INS Vindhyagiri did not follow the instructions. We suspect that the captain of INS Godavari failed to read the instructions given by the convoy's commander." ( Read: Warship listing after fire )

Chief public relation officer of Indian Defence, Captain Manoj Nambiar, said, "We would not like to draw any conclusions at this stage. All parties concerned are recording their versions. It will be better to wait till the probe is complete." ( Read: Cops look for ship collision footage )

Investigators, who have been poring over the statements of captains and crew of the two collided ships, said the leading naval warship had instructed the other vessels to follow her to Indira dock.

However, it is believed that INS Godavari, which was moving ahead of INS Vindhyagiri on the extreme right end, was not in sync with the convoy. "This created confusion between other vessels and MV Nordlake, resulting in the collision," said an official requesting anonymity. ( Read: New norms to avert port collisions )

In a statement, captain of MV Nordlake, Petros Valneo, said, "We have provided the authorities with minute-by-minute detail of the situation leading to the accident. The lead ship of the naval convoy had given instructions to other ships about MV Nordlake's presence, and had asked them to let us pass from the right side."

Deputy commissioner of police (Port Zone) Quaiser Khalid said, "It is too early to comment. We are recording statements and collecting data before jumping to any conclusions."


Read more: Did 2nd truant warship lead to collision on sea? - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...#ixzz1Ddf510i6
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Monday 5th December 2016. Mumbai. India.

The frigate Betwa, F39, today capsized to port in the old cruiser dry dock, Mumbai, at 1330 local time. The ship was being prepared to leave the dock after work on her was completed.
There is loss of life amongst her crew, believed 2, with others being saved by rescuers.
An enquiry will be rapidly convened to establish the circumstances of this mishap.
Betwa is 12 years old being commissioned 7th July 2004.
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Thats terrible news. I never expected to see new additions to this thread.

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From the Mumbai Mirror:

"There has been an incident in the cruiser grounding dock at Naval Dockyard in Mumbai involving INS Betwa. The incident occurred during undocking evolution wherein it is suspected that dock blocks mechanism failed," navy spokesperson Capt D K Sharma said.

Explaining the situation, he said the 3,850-tonne ship, having a length of 126 metres, tipped over while it was being undocked. The mast of the ship hit the dockyard ground, he said.

It was docked for repairs and while being returned to the water -- a process that involves tipping the ship -- the system tripped and the entire ship fell sideways. The main mast of the frigate broke.

While two naval personnel died, 15 others were injured with one of them in a serious condition, the spokesman said.

INS Betwa, a Brahmaputra-class guided missile warship (F-39), slipped on the dock blocks during a refit at about 1350 hours.

The ship had run aground in January 2014 and collided with an unidentified object which led to a crack in its sonar system, and had also seen salt water ingress into sensitive equipment.

Named after the river Betwa, the frigate has been in service for over 12 years. It was indigenously designed and built with the capability to operate at extended ranges, with speeds up to 30 knots.

It is one of the key warships of the Western Naval Command. It is armed with Uran anti-ship missiles, Barak 1 surface-to-air missiles and torpedoes."
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Indian Navy frigate INS Betwa capsized in dock, two missing
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INS Betwa. Mon 16th Jan 2017. An update and schedule for recovery.

She remains in the same location as at the accident, now causing issues with access to other parts of the Mumbai dockyard and Naval base.

The plan is to do the work in 2 phases.
Phase 1 involves a month of preparation so Betwa will be ready for phase 2, her recovery and hand over to the Indian navy, which should be accomplished during early March 2017. Then the task to refit her can commence, provided the work is economic as little will be known of her material state until she is afloat.

Salvage of Betwa has been entrusted to the Resolve Marine Group, responsible in 2013 for the recovery of submarine INS Sindhurakshak which sank 14 Aug 2013 with 18 crew killed.

Here is their details www.resolvemarine.com

The contract price is RS20crore, 20 million Indian Rupees, approx 2.4 million, $2.9 million.

A board of enquiry has been conducted, the outcome and ramifications will be made public in due course.

Credits for this information - assorted Indian media websites.
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Indian Navy frigate INS Betwa capsized in dock, two missing
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An update:

(From navaltoday.com)

Indian Navy frigate INS Betva upright again

"Indian Navy P-16A-class frigate INS Betwa which tipped over on her side during undocking in December last year has been made upright again, the Indian Navy informed on Thursday."

Complete article here:

http://navaltoday.com/2017/02/23/ind...upright-again/
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