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Old 12-03-2010, 18:26
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Thank you Aidan for posting the pictures, and the the information on the Irish Naval Service. Which prompted me to investigate further, and I was delighted to discover the Dublin branch of the Irish Naval Association. A brilliant web site with massive content, and pictures of the crews through the decades. I have also attached a link which shows most of the ships, commissioned by the Irish Naval Service.

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Your welcome Guz, and thanks for your interest in our little "Paddy Patrol" ships. I personally find it very interesting and pleasing to note that from 1945, the majority of the Senior Officers were ex Royal Navy Officers, the main character responsible for the inception of the modern Irish Navy being Captain H.J.A.S. Jerome who became the Commanding Officer and Director of the Irish Naval Service, a post he held for ten years during which he worked tirelessly to lay the foundations of a modern navy for Ireland, often under great opposition from the Irish Government, who even at that time, were still reluctant to accept the fact that Ireland, (now fully independent from Britain and the commonwealth) was now responsible for her own teritorial waters and thus required a suitable Navy to police those waters. Up to, and during the war, under various prior arrangments made between Ireland and Britain, the Royal Navy undertook that role, Irelands role up to that point being mainly the policing of coastal and inland waters. Although the years following 1945 heralded the beggining of the modern Irish Navy, it also ushered in auguably the bleakest period for the Navy. Apart from the three Corvette's, the Navy's sole other vessel was a small harbour launch, the "Colleen". An order for three further Corvette's was cancelled. Over the next 30 years the Navy's fortune's gradually declined thru a combination of financial concerns, lack of suitable manpower and a rapid drop in moral caused by poor working conditions, lack of facilities, very low pay and a general feeling of neglect compared to the other armed services. By 1971, the Irish Navy almost ceast to exist, a single, very worn out Flower class Corvette, stripped of most of its armarment, being the only sea going vessel left in service.
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Hi Aidan.Didn't the Irish Navy make a name for it's self some years ago,when one of it's patrol boats arrested a rather large Russian Fish-Factory ship.I don't know what the outcome of the incident was,but it received a very good reception in the press.The fact that a "Little" Navy could stand up to such a large nation,and ensure the Fishing rights of Ireland...Many Regards Steve.
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Leading on from my previous post detailing the current Irish Fleet here is another picture of the two most recent additions LE Naimh and Le Roisin.

Unlike the previous patrol boats supplied new to the Irish Naval Service which were built in Ireland, [Le Eithne being the most recent and sadly the last Irish built warship] these two Roisin Class Patrol Boats were built by the Appledore Shipyard in North Devon during 2000 and 1999 respectively.

These highly capable, modern, patrol ships are designed with a high level of automation incorporated into the ship's systems which in turn allows the ship to be operated with just 47 crew including eight officers who are housed in unusually comfortable quarters.

The ships main armament is an OTO Melara 76mm gun with an ability to fire 85 6kg shells per minute at a range of over 15 miles.

The ships do not have a helicopter deck/facility.
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Thank you Aidan for posting the pictures, and the the information on the Irish Naval Service. Which prompted me to investigate further, and I was delighted to discover the Dublin branch of the Irish Naval Association. A brilliant web site with massive content, and pictures of the crews through the decades. I have also attached a link which shows most of the ships, commissioned by the Irish Naval Service.

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http://homepage.eircom.net/~navalass12/ships.htm
I put the Irish Navy website in as a link yesterday, so just in case it was missed here it is again:-

http://www.worldnavalships.com/forum...47&postcount=9
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Old 12-03-2010, 20:50
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The site mentioned by Guzz is far more informative and interesting than the official Irish Navy site which you seem to have posted the link to in this thread already!

Anyway give this thread a few more weeks and it will be better than either of them!
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I put the Irish Navy website in as a link yesterday, so just in case it was missed here it is again:-

http://www.worldnavalships.com/forum...47&postcount=9
Hi Harry I looked at your link to the Irish Naval Service this morning, the link I posted was of the Dublin branch of the Irish Naval Service Association. I was looking at it all afternoon, and found it fascinating just matelots like the rest of us.

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Old 12-03-2010, 21:02
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Terry & Guz, the inclusion of the link I posted was purely to inform the viewers of the Irish Navy structure, organisation, training etc.

As you indicate the thread will I am sure develop and I look forward to viewing same.

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Old 12-03-2010, 21:18
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Sure Harry I appreciate that [although it doesnt explain why we needed two links to the same site in this thread] but I do feel that any member who has used the internet for a week or more is quite capable of googling their own way to sites like these.

As I have said before there is a place for the judicious use of links in the forum especially if it provides hard to find specialised information, like for example information on crew lists or the Times excerpts supplied by Dave where he has gone to the great trouble of tracking down the right piece of information from the right date.

Other than that I will admit to an overriding desire to help see this forum provide some of the best information and pictures, rather than suggest alternatives for our members to visit!

If a link is something that can be found easily at the top of a google search page then there is no need really to publicise it here.

I am sorry but that as you know has long been my strong belief!
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Old 12-03-2010, 23:34
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Terry, just a few points in response:-

1) rather than suggest alternatives for our members to visit!

The inclusion of a link to an official govt website can never be construed as fitting the above criticism. The WNSF is not in competition with official gov't sites, whose purpose is to inform on the operation of its naval forces.

2)If a link is something that can be found easily at the top of a google search page then there is no need really to publicise it here.

In which case more than half of the questions posted on the WNSF would not need to be made!! which is why so many of us use links.

3) I am sorry but that as you know has long been my strong belief!

Your point was fair but your scarcastic smiley was unprofessional

Finally remove the offending duplicate post if you wish

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Old 13-03-2010, 00:27
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Sorry Harry but other than your last point about the smiley which I have removed I cannot agree with what you say!

Listing the points:

1. My argument was not about the sites we are in competition with as they would obviously not be welcome. The points I made are directed at any unnecessary inclusion of a link that can easily be found by anybody with Google. Why should we want to readily encourage our members to move to any other site - whether it be a Government site or even Autotrader!

2. If somebody asks a question here that can be answered by one of our members that would always be preferable to sending them away from the forum for that information. If our members wish to ask questions in the forum that they could have easily found the answer to in google that is their right and with due respect partially what we are here tp provide.
They obviously didnt want to find the answer elsewhere in the first place so why then send them away from the forum?
An example that springs to mind is on another thread yesterday a member asked for the fuel carrying capacity of a RAN Daring.
Various members came up with their opinion until I think it was HMS Bergamot [Richard] who came back with the answer - not a link to another site or a link to a particular book [not sure where he got it from!]

3. Smiley has been obliterated with good grace!


Harry - please dont think I am having a go at you personally because that was not my intention.
As it happens I have recently had communication with other moderators about this and I have been looking for the right opportunity to explain to our members that in generalised terms posting a link should be a last resort rather than used anything like as much as they have been in the forum in recent months.


Finally apologies for moving away from the fascinating subject of Irish Ships.

As a penance I offer an unusual but effective black and white picture of [P23] Le Aisling....!!
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Old 13-03-2010, 01:26
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Very nice picture of La Aisling which means the Dream in Irish, I will download the picture if you don,t mind I really like monochrome pictures.

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Please do Alan. [You are always welcome to d/l any of my pictures]

I too prefer the old black and white pictures!

I think we are showing our age!!
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Here's a selection of photo's of the Irish fleet, I also have numerous photo's of the ships badges which I have yet to 're-touch' to the standard of my other badges, so I won't post them just as yet.


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Old 13-03-2010, 11:57
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Your welcome Guz, and thanks for your interest in our little "Paddy Patrol" ships. I personally find it very interesting and pleasing to note that from 1945, the majority of the Senior Officers were ex Royal Navy Officers, the main character responsible for the inception of the modern Irish Navy being Captain H.J.A.S. Jerome who became the Commanding Officer and Director of the Irish Naval Service, a post he held for ten years during which he worked tirelessly to lay the foundations of a modern navy for Ireland, often under great opposition from the Irish Government, who even at that time, were still reluctant to accept the fact that Ireland, (now fully independent from Britain and the commonwealth) was now responsible for her own teritorial waters and thus required a suitable Navy to police those waters. Up to, and during the war, under various prior arrangments made between Ireland and Britain, the Royal Navy undertook that role, Irelands role up to that point being mainly the policing of coastal and inland waters. Although the years following 1945 heralded the beggining of the modern Irish Navy, it also ushered in auguably the bleakest period for the Navy. Apart from the three Corvette's, the Navy's sole other vessel was a small harbour launch, the "Colleen". An order for three further Corvette's was cancelled. Over the next 30 years the Navy's fortune's gradually declined thru a combination of financial concerns, lack of suitable manpower and a rapid drop in moral caused by poor working conditions, lack of facilities, very low pay and a general feeling of neglect compared to the other armed services. By 1971, the Irish Navy almost ceast to exist, a single, very worn out Flower class Corvette, stripped of most of its armarment, being the only sea going vessel left in service.
Thank you Aidan for your post which filled in a lot of blanks around the time I left Dublin, and why my pal and I decided to join the RN and not the INS. The general opinion at the time was, that the navy would be reduced to rowing boats. This did not meet in with our expectation at all, a world cruise with maybe abit of a war if we were lucky. We were both sixteen just done our intermediate exams, and waited for our call-up. We never did serve on the same ship, and the next time we meet was nearly half a century later. I never regretted for one minute joining the RN, and neither did Jim we never lived in Ireland again, but had a great life in England. I was delighted to read the content of the INS association website, which showed how much we have in common, and what a good job they are doing.

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Old 13-03-2010, 12:38
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Here's a selection of photo's of the Irish fleet, I also have numerous photo's of the ships badges which I have yet to 're-touch' to the standard of my other badges, so I won't post them just as yet.


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Great pictures Alan of the Irish Fleet I would love to download them. And I'm looking forward to seeing the badges when you are ready to post them. Thanks very much mate.

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Alan whilst I have most of the pictures you kindly posted have you any pictures of Irish ships no longer in service.

The thread has now become top heavy with pictures of the current ships.
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Got some b/w ones if they of any use to you mate

Danny.

Ships shown are:

1. The Flower Class Corvette Le Macha - ex HMS Borage.
2. The Flower Class Corvette Le Maev - ex HMS Oxlip.
3. Training and Supply Ship Le Setanta A15.
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and a few more, apologise for uploading in small groups but me wireless network playing up at the moment and I cant be arsed to sort out just yet LOL

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1. Le Ferdia-A16.
2. and 3. Le Cliona-ex HMS Bellwort - Flower Class Corvette.
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and some more I found on my back up/back up hard drive....

Ships shown are:

1. CM10 - Le Grainne - ex HMS Oulston.
2. CM11 - Le Banba - ex HMS Alverton.
3. CM12 - Le Fola - ex HMS Blaxton.
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and finally the last two, these all obtained from the PRO Irish Naval Service whilst I was on the bum for a Cap Tally....

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Thanks very much for showing us those Danny.

There were a couple there that I had not seen before so very much appreciated.

I added the ship names to your posts in order to register on our search facility.
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Hi everyone, I must say I'm very impressed and pleased with the amount of interest this thread has recieved and my thanks to all of your for your contributions and comments. To Guz, re your comments about rowing boats, during 1971 the INS actually had no operational vesels whatsoever for a period of several months following the withdrawal of the last active Corvette. To Steve, indeed you are correct re the Russian ship, the outcome "went away quietly" as they say. The Irish Navy has also has some outstanding successes with illegal gunrunning. During what is commonly refered to as "The Troubles" in Northen Ireland, the Irish Navy intercepted numerous weapons shipments destined for the various paramilitary organisations operating in Northern Ireland. The Irish Navy has also had remarkable success in intercepting drug smugglers over the years. Recently, in conjunction with Interpol and the Royal Navy, the Irish Navy were involved in what is probably one of the biggest drug seizure's in modern history, almost half a billion Euro's worth of cocaine. For one of the smallest Navy's in the world, they have achieved some of the biggest interceptions of illegal weapons and drugs. 1971 marked a real turning point in the fortunes of the INS, going from almost total extinction to the beginings of the modern fleet the INS now posseses. To end this particular post I would like to extend my greatfull thanks to the Irish Naval Association, in particular Terry Cummins and Brian Keogh for allowing me to post this "missing link", an extremely rare photograph of the Corvette LE Maev 02.
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I forgot to mention my thanks to Danny (siggy 63) for those excellent photo's of the Coniston class ships and the other photo's you have posted. If I might make a suggestion to all, with Terry's approval of course,,, as Terry has mentioned we have plenty of good photo's of currently active ships, so if possible, could we now concentrate on the non active vessels, or, perhaps photo's of currently active vessels that relate to a specific or noteworthy incident that the vessel was involved in, thanks. As an example, we now have some good photo's of LE Macha 01, so I have added the photo below (courtesey of Pat Brennan, Irish Naval Association member) because it shows LE Macha on the day she first arrived at Hawlbowline Naval Base, therefore marking a very important event in INS history, namely the day the Irish Navy recieved its first true Warship and thus became a true ocean capable Navy.
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Hi All,

I wonder if these will help ye ....

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