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Old 05-10-2014, 17:01
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Default P62 - "James Joyce"

"Information received from Capt. Hoad, Bideford Harbour master, that the second vessel for the Irish Navy the LE James Joyce is due to leave the building shed on the 23rd November. (High water is at 18.15)."

The P63, as yet unnamed, should be laid down in the aftermath of this.

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Old 23-07-2015, 18:21
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Default New Naval Service ship to be called LÉ William Butler Yeats

I did not see that coming......
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Old 18-08-2016, 00:41
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A 4th ship of the Samuel Beckett class has been ordered from Appledore and will be delivered in 2018, not sure of any name as yet.
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Old 21-08-2016, 13:58
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Asbestos - Discovery and Removal; first in 1999/2000 and (unexpectedly) again in 2014

This post was prompted by a sentence in a post I made in the thread titled; 'UK Home Nations Fishery Protection Vessels' where reference to asbestos have been found in some ships was included in a linked article, see:- Post # 36 under the heading 'Naval Service to increase fishery protection duties'.



Asbestos alert maroons half of naval fleet in port
Ralph Riegel Published 07/12/1999 | 00:11

MORE than half the Naval Service fleet has been forced into port by an asbestos safety problem.Only three vessels are now operating and only one of these is capable of extended patrols.

This means that for all practical purposes the country has a single vessel to patrol 400,000 square miles of sea.

Consultants have recommended removal of all asbestos cladding from the engine rooms of four of the Naval Service's seven ships.

The Deirdre, the oldest ship, commissioned in 1972, was always known to have white asbestos, used as a heat insulator on exposed pipes from the ship's engine manifolds.

But now her three sister ships Emer, Aoife and Aisling have also been found to contain asbestos and face expensive removal operations which could take up to six months.

The only naval vessels unaffected by asbestos problems are the Eithne, Ciara and Orla. But only the corvette Eithne which can operate the Air Corps' Dauphin helicopters is suitable for extended high seas patrols.

The Eithne, supported inshore by the Orla and Ciara, must bear the brunt of all patrols until the other four ships are again cleared for duty.

Because of the complex nature of the asbestos removal work and the fact that the contract must under Government regulations be offered via public tender, all four ships may not be operational until next summer.

However, a Naval Service spokesman said last night: ``The white asbestos used in the cladding is the least danger ous of all asbestos.

``Blue asbestos is the most dangerous form, and that was never used in naval vessels. We don't see this as a major problem.''

But last night Cork TD Billy Kelleher (FF) was concerned that foreign fishermen and drug smugglers may attempt to exploit reduced patrol levels over Christmas and the millennium celebrations.

Irish fishermen, too, have expressed shock at the with drawal revelation and warn they may be left ``virtually defenceless'' in any possible clash with larger foreign vessels.

The asbestos removal, ordered in the light of tough new EU safety regulations controlling all asbestos use, comes as the Naval Service prepares to commission its ninth vessel, the £20m Roisin, on December 15.

To be commanded by Carlow's Lieut Commander Tom Doyle, she now faces being placed on full operational status for the new year period.



Asbestos found on LÉ Aoife this week should have been removed a decade ago
by Nicky Ryan - May 16th 2014, 6:30 AM

The ship was taken out of action for a period this week while items were inspected for asbestos.

THE GOVERNMENT WAS aware of asbestos found on a naval ship in the past week more than a decade ago – and made arrangements for it to be removed at the time.

It is the third Defence Forces ship to be affected by asbestos in recent weeks.

The LÉ Aoife was taken out of action this week after a gasket, believed to contain asbestos, blew, leading to the ship being brought ashore in order for the device to be examined.

It is understood that staff involved are unlikely to have been exposed to the material.

Concerns that asbestos could still be on this ship were sparked when last week when several gaskets and lagging material were flagged by staff as a cause of concern during maintenance on the vessel.

A Defence Force spokesperson confirmed that these later tested positive for asbestos.

However, the issue was raised in the Dáil over a decade ago, when in late 1999 the then Minister for Defence Michael Smith said that asbestos was detected in “engine exhausts and manifold lagging” on the LÉ Aoife, as well as the LÉ Emer, LÉ Aisling, LÉ Orla, and the now decommissioned LÉ Deirdre.

Smith said the material would be removed:

The situation at present is that the firm of environmental consultants has been requested to prepare, as a matter of urgency, tender specifications for the removal of asbestos from these ships.
Minister Phil Hogan addressed the issue last month during Topical Issues, after asbestos was found on both the LÉ Ciara and LÉ Orla.

In the case of LÉ Orla, work was permitted to carried out on the ship as the 2000 survey stated that “there was no asbestos on board the vessels”, Hogan said.

Naval personnel thought to have been exposed to asbestos last month after carrying out maintenance work on the LÉ Ciara are now seeking legal advice, in an incident described as a “failure of health and safety”.

“Naval Personnel remain our primary concern and all Health and Safety Authority guidelines were followed as those issues were addressed,” a spokesperson for the Defence Force said.

“It is expected that these vessels will return to service when the remedial works are complete, this is estimated to take a number of weeks.”

Source; where several other links can be found within the text of the article

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Old 21-08-2016, 14:43
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Asbestos - Discovery and Removal; first in 1999/2000 and (unexpectedly) again in 2014 - (continued)

The following short excerpt is taken from a full page article contained in a commercial website. Amongst other issues there is a suggestion regarding the cost for removal and disposal of the asbestos.

Huge bill for Irish taxpayers as asbestos is removed from naval fleet
Published: May 27, 2016
Categories: Asbestos news

The Irish Naval Service has had to deal with a huge remediation problem, said to be costing the Irish taxpayer around €500,000. In 2000, an asbestos survey was commissioned to check for asbestos on the Irish fleet. The private company carrying out the survey reported no presence of asbestos. Asbestos discovery led to survey on the whole fleet.

Only during later maintenance works was asbestos found. Having discovered it in the pump room of one vessel and the engine room of another, remediation works began using a licensed contractor who executed a “deep environmental clean.”

Several months later the asbestos waste was taken to Germany for safe disposal, all at the taxpayer’s expense.

Source; bainbridgeelearning

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Old 22-08-2016, 22:26
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A short six page PDF relating to the continued need for the Naval Service ships to be involved in sea-fisheries protection.

Submission on Defence Green Paper 2013


The Sea-Fisheries Protection Authority (SFPA) was established under the provisions of the Sea-Fisheries and Maritime Jurisdiction Act 2006 and is Ireland's competent authority for Seafood Safety and Sea-Fisheries Protection. The SFPA’s mission is:

"The Sea Fisheries Protection Authority is committed to the effective and fair regulation of the seafishing and seafood sectors that fall within our mandate. This means all fishing vessels operating within Irelands 200nmile limit, Irish fishing vessels wherever they operate, and all seafood produced in Ireland wherever it is marketed.”

Based in Clonakilty, County Cork, the SFPA has a number of offices in the major ports around the coast, at Killybegs, Ros a’ Mhíl, An Daingean, Castletownbere, Dunmore East and Howth.

SFPA is a land-based organsiation which is almost entirely reliant on the Irish naval service for at-sea official control of fishery obligations, and national monitoring of remote sensed fishery data, as well as the air corps for airborne surveillance of maritime areas. Section 43(2) of the 2006 Act envisages the establishment of agreement between SFPA key partners in Defence, and to this end has agreed a Service Level Agreement with the DOD, which currently awaits final ratification.
SFPA strategy is to remain primarily a shore-based organisation, therefore entirely reliant on Department of Defence continuing to support the Irish Navy to provide both at-sea fishery protection service, and a national Fishery Monitoring Centre. Maintenance and development of these services, and continued alignment with the state’s obligations within fishery control are key considerations for SFPA in Defence strategy
Fishery control in the context of substantial fishing activity of non-Irish vessels not landing in Ireland is heavily reliant on both the remote-sensed data flows and the sea-going patrols of the Irish navy.

In its submission the SFPA recognises the states policy of the Naval Service as being the principal sea going agency, with responsibility for securing Ireland’s enormous maritime resources in the largest sea area in the EU.
It is critical for the Authority in coordinating the state’s responsibility in the area of fishery protection that the Naval Service retains its primary day to day tasking as Fishery Protection in all its guises from security of the seas from IUU vessels, to monitoring of fisheries data, and ensuring sustainability of all fisheries through active patrolling and monitoring.

Source; where the six page PDF document can be read in full.

Highlighted passages of text
In some of the few short excerpts that make up this post, I have highlighted several passages with underlines and/or bolded text.

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Old 08-05-2017, 21:51
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LE Aisling. In December 1989 I was sailing back to UK from warmer waters. (Should have known better. A Biscay crossing in winter? We took some critical damage which meant that, due to the wretched never-ending north-easterly winds, Christmas could be celebrated in Greenland. A Russian merchant ship (??? Sikors???) relayed our sitrep to coast guards. The following day brought a Nimrod (c/s Two Alpha India) searching for us. After ascertaining our situation, we were pleased to discover that not only did Eire have a navy, but one of their finest would be with us sometime after dark. Night fell, the seas became even more impressive and LE Ailing arrived. We couldn't see here, just the nav lights which were bouncing about something fearsome! After some conflab, Aisling's Zodiac reached us, gave us 10 gallons of diesel and took my (then) wife and a crewman away to safety. Some fine manoeuvring by Aisling enabled a heaving line to catch us at first attempt, followed by a towing hawser. A couple of hours later, my crewman and I asked to be taken off, as we were being knocked about most unpleasantly by the conditions. The Zodiac appeared and we de-barked and were soon welcomed aboard the LE Aisling. The Captain and crew were most attentive to our needs and offered a tow to Cork where we would be able to effect repairs in the Crosshaven marina. The following day dawned fine and sunny. LE Aisling had been tasked with a swift backto sea for another mission so we were restored to my yacht, off Roche's Point.
Strange thing- with the rush and business of trans-shipping, I failed to actually look at the Aisling. I trip to a library and a shufti in Janes sorted that omission. My appreciation and thanks to LE Aisling, her Captain and crew, especially to the crew of the Zodiac!
That first photo at post #39 has become my screensaver. It's magnificent!
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Old 16-05-2017, 20:32
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Of some interest?

(From BBC News)

LÉ Aisling: Irish Navy in 'terrible' ship deal

"A former Irish Naval Service vessel sold for 110,000 euros (£93,500) two months ago, is being offered for sale in Holland for 685,000 euros.

LÉ Aisling is being sold as a fisheries protection vessel in the Netherlands.

Complete article here:
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Old 21-05-2017, 00:44
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Tim: One wonders what the costs of towage and preparation for a follow on sale would be. Presumably the Dutch government, if that was the end purchaser, was an informed and prudent buyer.
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