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Old 17-01-2012, 01:29
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Default William Thomas Haynes. HMS (AMC) Ebro

Any help would be helpfull gentlemen.

The Service records are not too neat. So I really would appreciate your comments

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Old 17-01-2012, 19:44
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Hello Ken
If you attach a copy of the Record to this thread we will endeavour to decipher it. Either a scanned image, or take a photo of it with a digital camera/mobile phone and attach it as a jpeg image.
HMS Ebro is one of the ships involved with the Old Weather project and you can register for the project and peruse her ships logs, which may answer some of your questions regarding her whereabouts

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Old 17-01-2012, 20:49
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My apologies Jim I was unable to attach service records to my message. Everything seemed to go wrong at the same time. I hope all goes well this time. Thanks for your patience. Ken
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Hello Ken.
I dont know if you are aware but he received the Queens South Africa medal with no bar as a Boy on HMS Doris

Also he received the China 1900 medal with no bar as an Ordinary Seaman on HMS Endymion.

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William Thomas Haynes: Royal Navy Service Record
Date of Birth: 12th June 1882
Place of birth: Stanwell Moor, Middlesex
Occupation: Florist
Service Number: 197585
Base Port: Chatham
Sub Rating: Seaman Gunner

Date and period Engagement: 12th June 1900 for 12 years

Ship/Rating/Date

Caledonia – Boy 2nd Class – from 25th January 1898 until 19th October 1898 then promoted
Caledonia – Boy 1st Class – from 20th October 1898 until 7th February 1899
Minotaur – Boy 1st Class – from 8th February 1899 until 30th May 1899
Agincourt – Boy 1st Class – from 31st May 1899 until 15th September 1899
Terrible – Boy 1st Class – from 16th September 1899 until 2nd November 1899
Doris – Boy 1st Class – from 3rd November 1899 until 20th November 1899
Terrible – Boy 1st Class – from 21st November 1899 until 11th May 1900
Endymion – Boy 1st Class – from 12th May 1900 until 11th June 1900 then promoted at 18 years of age
Endymion – Ordinary Seaman – from 12th June 1900 until 26th April 1902 then promoted
Endymion – Able Seaman – from 27th April 1902 until 4th September 1902
???????? – Able Seaman – from 5th September 1902 until 28th October 1902
Wildfire – Able Seaman – from 29th October 1902 until 20th May 1903
Pembroke – Able Seaman – from 21st May 1903 until 8th June 1903
Dido – Able Seaman – from 9th June 1903 until 27th February 1905
Pembroke – Able Seaman – from 28th February 1905 until 6th April 1905 then invalided on 6th April 1905

War Service
Pembroke I – Able Seaman – from 28th August 1914 until 21st January 1915 then 7 days cells
Pembroke I – Able Seaman – from 29th January 1915 until 12th April 1915
AMC Ebro – Able Seaman – from 13th April 1915 until 21st April 1917
Pembroke – Able Seaman – from 22nd April 1917 until 27th May 1917 then 10 days cells
Blanche – Able Seaman – from 8th June 1917 until 27th June 1917 then 5 days cells
Blanche – Able Seaman – from 2nd August 1917 until 12th April 1919 then Shore - demobilised


Good Conduct Badges (worn as a stripe on the left arm, below any rank badge):
1st Granted on 12th June 1903
1st Deprived on 10th November 1911
1st Reinstated on 7th October 1915
1st Deprived on 25th May 1917
1st Reinstated on 2nd August 1918
1st Deprived on 7th September 1918

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Appears to have been in quite a bit of trouble, having been granted his 1st GCB and had it deprived on three occasions and spent three separate spells in cells.
He appears to have been invalided from the service in 1905, during his initial engagement, but I assume they deemed him fit enough for war service when he was recalled.

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Hello Ken.
I dont know if you are aware but he received the Queens South Africa medal with no bar as a Boy on HMS Doris

Also he received the China 1900 medal with no bar as an Ordinary Seaman on HMS Endymion.

Regards Dave
Thank you Dave. Who would have thought it. I have been scrutinizing those papers for over a year now. Thank goodness for the experts. I appreciate it very much. No I was not aware of anything like that,not too much was discussed in the family. Amazing how these things come to light isn't it?

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Hello Jim
What a great job you did on decyphering those Service papers.Thank you.
He died in 1953 the year before I joined Ganges. He lost two of his sons in WW2. L/C William George Haynes. KSLI. KIA 4/2/44 Anzio Italy age 28. Also Pt. R.V. Haynes Pioneer Corps.Killed in England 29/09/42. Both Married.
What a price to pay.

I now have to find out a little more about HMS Doris and Ebro. I have a picture of my Grandma in my Grandpas uniform with HMS Ebro on the cap tally.

Once again Jim thanks, you have really made my day.

Best regards Ken
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Hi, I have just recently received a photograph from a relative which could have be William Thomas Haynes RN 197585 in uniform. You kindly deciphered his service papers on 17/01/2012. I would greatly appreciate it if you could peruse the photographs and be able to give me a rough time period of when they could have been taken. There is a name on the cap tally in one of the photographs which I cannot make out. I always appreciate your Help. Thank you gentlemen.

Ken Jones
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Hi Ken
As far as I recall, RN personnel were only allowed to wear a “full set”, ie no isolated moustaches from about 1870. However, I have seen photographs of WW1 reservists in uniform with moustaches alone. Could the seaman on the right be a reservist as I think his cap tally says “… Fleet Reserve”.
W T Haynes was invalided in 1905 and seems to have re-entered in WW1 as a List 6 Reservist [a pensioner drawing a pension] with the RFR.

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So possibly the first was before he was "invalided", and the second after returning for WW1 (he just seems a bit younger in the photo with the "full set").
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Hi Trevor, Tks for quick reply. It looks like everything fell apart for my Grandpa W.T Haynes when he was invalided in 1905. I do believe he got married in 1906. His war service 1914-1918 was only solid when he served aboard AMC Ebro April 1915 to April 1917.
Just as a matter of interest I do have a photograph of his wife (my grandma) in his Naval uniform with AMC Ebro on the cap tally. Would there be any place I could find out what his disability was for him to get invalided out of the RN in 1905? He is a bit of a mystery

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So possibly the first was before he was "invalided", and the second after returning for WW1 (he just seems a bit younger in the photo with the "full set").
They do look a bit different don't they? thanks
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Hi Ken
In the last column of his record it says “Invalided 6.4.05. Old fracture of R[ight] leg.”

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Thanks for bringing that to my attention Trevor. Much appreciated.

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