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Old 05-10-2014, 17:01
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http://bidefordbuzz.org.uk/2014/09/s...eptember-2014/

"Information received from Capt. Hoad, Bideford Harbour master, that the second vessel for the Irish Navy the LE James Joyce is due to leave the building shed on the 23rd November. (High water is at 18.15)."

The P63, as yet unnamed, should be laid down in the aftermath of this.

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Default New Naval Service ship to be called LÉ William Butler Yeats

http://www.defence.ie/WebSite.nsf/Re...4?OpenDocument

I did not see that coming......
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A 4th ship of the Samuel Beckett class has been ordered from Appledore and will be delivered in 2018, not sure of any name as yet.
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Old 21-08-2016, 13:58
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Asbestos - Discovery and Removal; first in 1999/2000 and (unexpectedly) again in 2014


This post was prompted by a sentence in a post I made in the thread titled; 'UK Home Nations Fishery Protection Vessels' where reference to asbestos have been found in some ships was included in a linked article, see:- Post # 36 under the heading 'Naval Service to increase fishery protection duties'.

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Asbestos alert maroons half of naval fleet in port
Ralph Riegel Published 07/12/1999 | 00:11

MORE than half the Naval Service fleet has been forced into port by an asbestos safety problem.Only three vessels are now operating and only one of these is capable of extended patrols.

This means that for all practical purposes the country has a single vessel to patrol 400,000 square miles of sea.

Consultants have recommended removal of all asbestos cladding from the engine rooms of four of the Naval Service's seven ships.

The Deirdre, the oldest ship, commissioned in 1972, was always known to have white asbestos, used as a heat insulator on exposed pipes from the ship's engine manifolds.

But now her three sister ships Emer, Aoife and Aisling have also been found to contain asbestos and face expensive removal operations which could take up to six months.

The only naval vessels unaffected by asbestos problems are the Eithne, Ciara and Orla. But only the corvette Eithne which can operate the Air Corps' Dauphin helicopters is suitable for extended high seas patrols.

The Eithne, supported inshore by the Orla and Ciara, must bear the brunt of all patrols until the other four ships are again cleared for duty.

Because of the complex nature of the asbestos removal work and the fact that the contract must under Government regulations be offered via public tender, all four ships may not be operational until next summer.

However, a Naval Service spokesman said last night: ``The white asbestos used in the cladding is the least danger ous of all asbestos.

``Blue asbestos is the most dangerous form, and that was never used in naval vessels. We don't see this as a major problem.''

But last night Cork TD Billy Kelleher (FF) was concerned that foreign fishermen and drug smugglers may attempt to exploit reduced patrol levels over Christmas and the millennium celebrations.

Irish fishermen, too, have expressed shock at the with drawal revelation and warn they may be left ``virtually defenceless'' in any possible clash with larger foreign vessels.

The asbestos removal, ordered in the light of tough new EU safety regulations controlling all asbestos use, comes as the Naval Service prepares to commission its ninth vessel, the £20m Roisin, on December 15.

To be commanded by Carlow's Lieut Commander Tom Doyle, she now faces being placed on full operational status for the new year period.

Source; independent.ie


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Asbestos found on LÉ Aoife this week should have been removed a decade ago
by Nicky Ryan - May 16th 2014, 6:30 AM

The ship was taken out of action for a period this week while items were inspected for asbestos.

THE GOVERNMENT WAS aware of asbestos found on a naval ship in the past week more than a decade ago – and made arrangements for it to be removed at the time.

It is the third Defence Forces ship to be affected by asbestos in recent weeks.

The LÉ Aoife was taken out of action this week after a gasket, believed to contain asbestos, blew, leading to the ship being brought ashore in order for the device to be examined.

It is understood that staff involved are unlikely to have been exposed to the material.

Concerns that asbestos could still be on this ship were sparked when last week when several gaskets and lagging material were flagged by staff as a cause of concern during maintenance on the vessel.

A Defence Force spokesperson confirmed that these later tested positive for asbestos.

However, the issue was raised in the Dáil over a decade ago, when in late 1999 the then Minister for Defence Michael Smith said that asbestos was detected in “engine exhausts and manifold lagging” on the LÉ Aoife, as well as the LÉ Emer, LÉ Aisling, LÉ Orla, and the now decommissioned LÉ Deirdre.

Smith said the material would be removed:

The situation at present is that the firm of environmental consultants has been requested to prepare, as a matter of urgency, tender specifications for the removal of asbestos from these ships.
Minister Phil Hogan addressed the issue last month during Topical Issues, after asbestos was found on both the LÉ Ciara and LÉ Orla.

In the case of LÉ Orla, work was permitted to carried out on the ship as the 2000 survey stated that “there was no asbestos on board the vessels”, Hogan said.

Naval personnel thought to have been exposed to asbestos last month after carrying out maintenance work on the LÉ Ciara are now seeking legal advice, in an incident described as a “failure of health and safety”.

“Naval Personnel remain our primary concern and all Health and Safety Authority guidelines were followed as those issues were addressed,” a spokesperson for the Defence Force said.

“It is expected that these vessels will return to service when the remedial works are complete, this is estimated to take a number of weeks.”

Source; thejournal.ie where several other links can be found within the text of the article



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Asbestos - Discovery and Removal; first in 1999/2000 and (unexpectedly) again in 2014 - (continued)


The following short excerpt is taken from a full page article contained in a commercial website. Amongst other issues there is a suggestion regarding the cost for removal and disposal of the asbestos.


Huge bill for Irish taxpayers as asbestos is removed from naval fleet
Published: May 27, 2016
Categories: Asbestos news


The Irish Naval Service has had to deal with a huge remediation problem, said to be costing the Irish taxpayer around €500,000. In 2000, an asbestos survey was commissioned to check for asbestos on the Irish fleet. The private company carrying out the survey reported no presence of asbestos. Asbestos discovery led to survey on the whole fleet.

Only during later maintenance works was asbestos found. Having discovered it in the pump room of one vessel and the engine room of another, remediation works began using a licensed contractor who executed a “deep environmental clean.”

Several months later the asbestos waste was taken to Germany for safe disposal, all at the taxpayer’s expense.

Source; bainbridgeelearning


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A short six page PDF relating to the continued need for the Naval Service ships to be involved in sea-fisheries protection.



THE SEA-FISHERIES PROTECTION AUTHORITY
Submission on Defence Green Paper 2013

TOWARD AN EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE
FISHERIES PROTECTION PARTNERSHIP

Introduction
The Sea-Fisheries Protection Authority (SFPA) was established under the provisions of the Sea-Fisheries and Maritime Jurisdiction Act 2006 and is Ireland's competent authority for Seafood Safety and Sea-Fisheries Protection. The SFPA’s mission is:

"The Sea Fisheries Protection Authority is committed to the effective and fair regulation of the seafishing and seafood sectors that fall within our mandate. This means all fishing vessels operating within Irelands 200nmile limit, Irish fishing vessels wherever they operate, and all seafood produced in Ireland wherever it is marketed.”

Based in Clonakilty, County Cork, the SFPA has a number of offices in the major ports around the coast, at Killybegs, Ros a’ Mhíl, An Daingean, Castletownbere, Dunmore East and Howth.

SFPA is a land-based organsiation which is almost entirely reliant on the Irish naval service for at-sea official control of fishery obligations, and national monitoring of remote sensed fishery data, as well as the air corps for airborne surveillance of maritime areas. Section 43(2) of the 2006 Act envisages the establishment of agreement between SFPA key partners in Defence, and to this end has agreed a Service Level Agreement with the DOD, which currently awaits final ratification.
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SFPA strategy is to remain primarily a shore-based organisation, therefore entirely reliant on Department of Defence continuing to support the Irish Navy to provide both at-sea fishery protection service, and a national Fishery Monitoring Centre. Maintenance and development of these services, and continued alignment with the state’s obligations within fishery control are key considerations for SFPA in Defence strategy
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Fishery control in the context of substantial fishing activity of non-Irish vessels not landing in Ireland is heavily reliant on both the remote-sensed data flows and the sea-going patrols of the Irish navy.
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CONCLUSION
In its submission the SFPA recognises the states policy of the Naval Service as being the principal sea going agency, with responsibility for securing Ireland’s enormous maritime resources in the largest sea area in the EU.
It is critical for the Authority in coordinating the state’s responsibility in the area of fishery protection that the Naval Service retains its primary day to day tasking as Fishery Protection in all its guises from security of the seas from IUU vessels, to monitoring of fisheries data, and ensuring sustainability of all fisheries through active patrolling and monitoring.

Source; defence.ie where the six page PDF document can be read in full.


Highlighted passages of text
In some of the few short excerpts that make up this post, I have highlighted several passages with underlines and/or bolded text.


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Old 08-05-2017, 21:51
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LE Aisling. In December 1989 I was sailing back to UK from warmer waters. (Should have known better. A Biscay crossing in winter? We took some critical damage which meant that, due to the wretched never-ending north-easterly winds, Christmas could be celebrated in Greenland. A Russian merchant ship (??? Sikors???) relayed our sitrep to coast guards. The following day brought a Nimrod (c/s Two Alpha India) searching for us. After ascertaining our situation, we were pleased to discover that not only did Eire have a navy, but one of their finest would be with us sometime after dark. Night fell, the seas became even more impressive and LE Ailing arrived. We couldn't see here, just the nav lights which were bouncing about something fearsome! After some conflab, Aisling's Zodiac reached us, gave us 10 gallons of diesel and took my (then) wife and a crewman away to safety. Some fine manoeuvring by Aisling enabled a heaving line to catch us at first attempt, followed by a towing hawser. A couple of hours later, my crewman and I asked to be taken off, as we were being knocked about most unpleasantly by the conditions. The Zodiac appeared and we de-barked and were soon welcomed aboard the LE Aisling. The Captain and crew were most attentive to our needs and offered a tow to Cork where we would be able to effect repairs in the Crosshaven marina. The following day dawned fine and sunny. LE Aisling had been tasked with a swift backto sea for another mission so we were restored to my yacht, off Roche's Point.
Strange thing- with the rush and business of trans-shipping, I failed to actually look at the Aisling. I trip to a library and a shufti in Janes sorted that omission. My appreciation and thanks to LE Aisling, her Captain and crew, especially to the crew of the Zodiac!
That first photo at post #39 has become my screensaver. It's magnificent!
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Of some interest?

(From BBC News)

LÉ Aisling: Irish Navy in 'terrible' ship deal

"A former Irish Naval Service vessel sold for 110,000 euros (£93,500) two months ago, is being offered for sale in Holland for 685,000 euros.

LÉ Aisling is being sold as a fisheries protection vessel in the Netherlands.
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Complete article here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39928576
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Tim: One wonders what the costs of towage and preparation for a follow on sale would be. Presumably the Dutch government, if that was the end purchaser, was an informed and prudent buyer.
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Old 23-08-2017, 22:41
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Hi everyone, I'm a new poster but this caught my eye and thought I might be able to add some info.

In regards to the the Shaw (P64) there seems to be some confusion as to what the plan is, with the Med deployments there has been talk about enlarging the fleet to 9 hulls, however there's been no increase in establishment numbers so that doesn't seem likely in the short term. Some rumours I've heard is that one of the Peacocks will be retired for Shaw, they have limitations in sea states and the old style berthing makes them an unpopular choice, however with Brexit and the potential issues regarding fishing areas/policing who knows if that will stay or not.

In terms of the future, the Eithne is to be replaced by an "EPV", and nobody knows what exactly that means, the rumours back before the Crash was that we were looking at a "FFBNW" Absalon class but now they aren't in production and the penciled in budget is about €150 million. One of the main drivers at the time was "buying" support from the Army for the project but how much of a driver that is now is another question (also any new ship is limited by the Cobh Graving Dock width). The Peacocks are meant under the 2015 WP to be replaced with 2 similar hulls/specs but with "counter-IED" capability as well, but don't know if there's anything currently that meets that.

In the larger question of the DF, there's some issues with the volume of equipment coming due for replacement, with the Eithne replacement, and the Casa 235's coming along at roughly the same time (suggestions that it will be 2 295 MPA's and maybe a third as a general cargo version) and then the Peacock's as well with the MOWAG's and the Scorpion replacement needing to be looked at as well.

In terms of funding, I think something is going to have to give due to the replacements as there's only so long they can be pushed out (the 235's are the oldest of their design with the highest flying hours (having been reset twice now)), however that's all politics, 20 years ago the budget was about 1.2% of GDP (now only .6%), had we even stuck a 1% in those 20 years the DF would be a much different animal.

The sad thing is that the DF actually had plans back in the 80's for upscaling Eithne for example was meant to have two sister ships but the Recession of the time killed that (and hence the 2 Peacocks got bought as fillers), and the debacle of the Dauphin's pretty much poisoned the AC/NS relationship as evidenced by the Dead Writer class. It's sad because according to Eithne's designer the design was well regarded by the US Coastguard compared to their own similar design at the time...

Hope some of this added to the thread.
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Of some interest?

(From BBC News)

LÉ Aisling: Irish Navy in 'terrible' ship deal

"A former Irish Naval Service vessel sold for 110,000 euros (£93,500) two months ago, is being offered for sale in Holland for 685,000 euros.

LÉ Aisling is being sold as a fisheries protection vessel in the Netherlands.
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Complete article here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39928576
There was a lot of "crap" around the sale, you had some groups that wanted her used as a "museum ship" even though she wasn't fit for it, others wanted the Navy to keep her as a training ship. But in terms of the second hand sale, a fool and his money comes to mind, the P20's were used hard and run into the ground (the P60 contract got a boost when powerhosing the hulls of one of the 20's actually broke welds and needed repair work throughout the class), Honestly I would have preferred if she could have seen other service like her sister now serving Malta but given how the State never paid for her we can't really complain.
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Hi everyone, I'm a new poster but this caught my eye and thought I might be able to add some info.

Hope some of this added to the thread.
Welcome aboard Sparky and thanks for this information. A most useful update indeed.

To ensure that I fully understand your post, could you please explain the following acronyms for this simple Canuck:

EPV
WP
FFBNW
DF
AC/NS


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Welcome aboard Sparky and thanks for this information. A most useful update indeed.

To ensure that I fully understand your post, could you please explain the following acronyms for this simple Canuck:

EPV
WP
FFBNW
DF
AC/NS


Thanks.
Thanks for the welcome.

EPV or MRV depending on who you ask is the term being used for Eithne's replacement, standing for either Ehanced Patrol Vessel, or Multi Role Vessel. It's not really clear what the end view of it is to be honest the only details we have is the tender that was out a decade ago and a lot has changed since then, with the Med operations for example.

WP is the White Paper on defence, setting out the 10 year plan for the Defence Forces, we've only done two of them (2000 which was a bad joke that never took into account the massive security changes post 9/11) and the 2015 one which seems to be better put together, taking in looking at new options/roles.

FFBNW, Fitted For But Not With, in the planned Absalon case, she would only have mounted a 76mm and 20 secondaries, not the fully equipped version.

DF is just short hand for Defence Forces.

AC is Air Corps, and NS is Naval Service the two branches involved.
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Thanks for the welcome.

EPV or MRV depending on who you ask is the term being used for Eithne's replacement, standing for either Ehanced Patrol Vessel, or Multi Role Vessel. It's not really clear what the end view of it is to be honest the only details we have is the tender that was out a decade ago and a lot has changed since then.

WP is the White Paper on defence, setting out the 10 year plan for the Defence Forces, we've only done two of them (2000 which was a bad joke that never took into account the massive security changes post 9/11) and the 2015 one which seems to be better put together, taking in looking at new options/roles.

FFBNW, Fitted For But Not With, in the planned Absalon case, she would only have mounted a 76mm and 20 secondaries, not the fully equipped version.

DF is just short hand for Defence Forces.

AC is Air Corps, and NS is Naval Service the two branches involved.
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Old 30-08-2017, 18:34
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Bit of news on Aisling:
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An Australian company has drawn up designs to convert the State’s former Naval Service patrol ship Aisling into a luxury “superyacht”.

The proposed refit could cost several million US dollars, but would add significantly to the value of the 64 metre patrol ship.

The Aisling, formerly “long Éireannach”, is currently on sale with Dutch shipbrokers Dick van der Kamp and has been renamed Avenhorn.

The “concept proposal” drawn up by Sabdes Design of Sydney for the Dutch brokers involves two options for refit in a “modern classic style,” allowing for ample leisure facilities and helicopter pad on deck.

The designers point out that the ship is in “very good condition” and “offers a rare opportunity to create a yacht based on a strong naval platform”.

The Aisling, which has been involved in some of the most dramatic episodes in recent Naval Service history, was sold for €110,000 at auction last March.

Mr van der Kamp’s company was one of just two bidders, and there was no reserve.

However, when it was advertised by its new owners for $750,000, or approximate €685,000, the Permanent Defence Forces’ Representative Association (PDFORRA) expressed concern.

Irish Shipbrokers and Chartering Ltd director Glenn Murphy said it wasn’t an unusual conversion plan as many vintage vessels such as naval, research and offshore vessels find a new life as a private yachts.

“A new superyacht or megayacht (above 25m) is typically costing $1m per metre to build and fit out to a very high specification in European shipyards, so at 64m, a new ship the size of the Aisling could cost $64m,” Mr Murphy said.

“A conversion project, depending on the specification of the refit, could be anywhere from a couple of million upwards to $10m to achieve the high end luxuries that the super rich market desires,”he said.



Current classic vessels for sale with “higher spefication units” like swimming pools, helipads and state rooms cost from $2m up to $15-20m on the market, he said.

Mr van der Kamp’s company declined to comment on the conversion design, but it is understood that the vessel is still for sale.

Auctioneer Dominic Daly pointed out that Mr van der Kamp’s company has already invested in the former patrol ship, as it had to be towed to Holland.

“This is because such military ships have no papers, and classification for papers involves the expense of dry docking and survey,”he explained.

Mr Daly has pointed out that the market for such vessels was far better when the Aisling’s sister ship, Emer was sold four years ago, but a collapse in the oil and gas servicing business meant there was far less interest from this sector.

The Emer fetched €320,000 when she was bought by Nigerian businessman, Cyprian Imobhio, in 2013, and was then taken on by the Nigerian Navy as NNS Prosperity.

The Aoife, also in the same class and built in Verolme dockyard, was donated to the Maltese armed forces.

The older Deirdre also fetched more than the Aisling, at €240,000 in 2001, and was subsequently converted to a yacht.

The Department of Defence has said that the auction of the ship was advertised nationally and internationally in maritime publications by Mr Daly and that the selling prices of €110,000 was the best bid made for the ship.

During 36 years in service, the Aisling was involved in the apprehension of the Marita Ann carrying guns for the IRA in 1984.

A year later, under the command of Captain Jim Robinson, the ship’s crew recovered 38 bodies from the wreckage of the Air India plane which was blown up in a bomb attack off the Irish coast, with the loss of all 329 passengers and crew.

The retention of the vessel since its decommission in June 2016, until April 2017, cost about €370,000 for the assignment of a skeleton crew and about €10,000 on tug hire costs, according to a Dáil question answered by former taoiseach Enda Kenny.
Hope it doesn't end up like Deridre's rebuild.
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Bit of news on Aisling:

Hope it doesn't end up like Deridre's rebuild.
Yes Deirdre did come to a sad end, didn't she!
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I mentioned it in the RN Type 31e thread, but I have seen some comments in regards to the Babcock "Arrowhead" design, other than being 10m shorter than the '06 RFP perhaps this could be something that Babcock would put forward for the Eithne replacement?
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Also a link to a Sky News article with a clip of the Beckett arriving in London:
http://news.sky.com/story/whats-on-s...-fair-11030372
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