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Old 19-01-2017, 00:07
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More progress! Reference post #4 in this thread.

Working through all the pictures re the life and experiences of RM Bert Cross, I came across a postcard which I attach as No 1 below. It shows The Bund riverside area of 1920's Shanghai, China. Compare the prominent tall building in picture No 1 to the building in the background of picture No 2 .... ! Bingo!
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who identified your No1 postcard as being of 'the Bund'? Was that the title of the card?

If it is the Bund area, the building isn't located on the waterfront and so must be a touch inland.
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Old 19-01-2017, 06:30
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who identified your No1 postcard as being of 'the Bund'? Was that the title of the card?

If it is the Bund area, the building isn't located on the waterfront and so must be a touch inland.
Too quick with the precise location? Very much me.

Thank you for your interest. The picture / postcard is not inscribed as The Bund. It was however amongst others all with those similar imposing buildings, two of which are inscribed by the publisher as 'The Bund Looking South' and 'The Bund Looking From Pon Tung'. And so my conclusion re The Bund area.

Thankfully I am not in the wrong city, but please enlighten me as to what you make of the location?

Thanks again.
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Old 19-01-2017, 15:38
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Too quick with the precise location? Very much me.

Thank you for your interest. The picture / postcard is not inscribed as The Bund. It was however amongst others all with those similar imposing buildings, two of which are inscribed by the publisher as 'The Bund Looking South' and 'The Bund Looking From Pon Tung'. And so my conclusion re The Bund area.

Thankfully I am not in the wrong city, but please enlighten me as to what you make of the location?

Thanks again.
Your building is not the famous customs house on the Bund (which is a street running along the west bank of Huangpu River in central Shanghai, in the heart of the former western quarter of the city). The clock tower is too narrow and there are various other architectural differences with the customs house. Certainly the rickshaws in the street point to China, but I couldn't identify it more precisely...
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Point taken, the building is not on The Bund. Now to be fair ... nowhere did I name it or refer to it as "the famous customs house".

What I am saying is that looking at the building(s) in the pictures as shown in #25, comparing the outside detail (where I made the comments on photo No 1), that is looking at the same building.
Conversely, the prominent building in picture No 1 is the same building as that behind the parade of Marines. Are we agreed on that?
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Point taken, the building is not on The Bund. Now to be fair ... nowhere did I name it or refer to it as "the famous customs house".

What I am saying is that looking at the building(s) in the pictures as shown in #25, comparing the outside detail (where I made the comments on photo No 1), that is looking at the same building.
Conversely, the prominent building in picture No 1 is the same building as that behind the parade of Marines. Are we agreed on that?
Absolutely I agree they look the same, but there's no definite indication where and what the building in #25 is, so the mystery remains: I agree it might well be some building in the former western quarter of Shanghai, and certainly there were a lot of British troops stationed there in 1927, along with the Naval reinforcements.
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Thank you for concurring that "they look the same". They are the same .

I hope to hear from 'TCC' and anyone else, as to what further information we may have as to possible location in Shanghai. The exact identification of what building it is, is not the issue for me, what is (was) the issue for me is that we have placed the building in Shanghai. That means I can connect the picture of the Marines on parade to the timeline of when RM Cross was there, having sailed there on HMS Dauntless (Feb 1926-May 1928).

Appreciate your interest and help!
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I suggest that 'the building' is the China United Apartments next to the Foreign Y.M.C.A and near the Park Hotel, all on Bubbling Well Road, Shanghai opposite/adjacent the racecourse.

See the Virtual Shanghai website; virtualshanghai.net


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Excellent! The angle for post #4 seems to be from standing somewhere on the inner-side of that racecourse?

Pictures 30340-30342 refer. You certainly know your way around the internet ...

Thank you indeed!
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I suggest that 'the building' is the China United Apartments next to the Foreign Y.M.C.A and near the Park Hotel, all on Bubbling Well Road, Shanghai opposite/adjacent the racecourse.

See the Virtual Shanghai website; virtualshanghai.net
Herewith a few links for ease of searching. There is a description associated with each image.

- Image ID 1476
Title Foreign Y.M.C.A and China United Apartments on Bubbling Well road


- Building ID 874 English name China United Apartments - (opening this link gives acces to 3 further links)

- Image ID 1506
Title Park Hotel, foreign Y.M.C.A. and China United Apartments



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Attached is a photo of a ship's boat in shallow water probably near a beach on a hot day. Once again Cross features, sitting on the prow, with a towel across the knees.
Is it possible to identify the crest on the boat? To me it appears to be a lion standing on its hind legs?
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The quest for knowledge and understanding continues.

The Service Records of Lieut. Cross shows the following promotions:-

- Enlistment 5 Feb 1923
- Marine to Corporal 11 Oct 1933
- Corporal to Sergeant 3 May 1937
- Sergeant to Colour Sergeant (Ty) 13 March 1943

and then in the space of two weeks

- Colour Sergeant to Lieutenant (Ty) 31 March 1943

He completely by-passed the rank of Warrant Officer?

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The quest for knowledge and understanding continues.

The Service Records of Lieut. Cross shows the following promotions:-

- Enlistment 5 Feb 1923
- Marine to Corporal 11 Oct 1933
- Corporal to Sergeant 3 May 1937
- Sergeant to Colour Sergeant (Ty) 13 March 1943

and then in the space of two weeks

- Colour Sergeant to Lieutenant (Ty) 31 March 1943

He completely by-passed the rank of Warrant Officer?

Thoughts / Opinions / Comments - all welcome.
It's war and there's the inevitable manpower issues (replacments and expansion) and so there's always a desire to promote the able and experienced.

The boat badge looks like a mounted horse to my eye but could also be a dragon? and as a D class cruiser has already come up several times earlier on, maybe his ship was HMS Dragon?
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The boat badge looks like a mounted horse to my eye but could also be a dragon? and as a D class cruiser has already come up several times earlier on, maybe his ship was HMS Dragon?
D (Danae) class cruiser, yes he served on both Dauntless and Durban not on Dragon though, so I shall do some more looking around. Thanks.
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Another very old picture from Lt. Cross' album:-

The outline of the hills in the background, if I said Hong Kong ... yes / no? The picture seems to have been taken from inside a ship, if the porthole and hinges of the cover / lid are any clue. Perhaps the crane and buildings ashore could be pointers?

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D (Danae) class cruiser, yes he served on both Dauntless and Durban not on Dragon though, so I shall do some more looking around. Thanks.
Yeah you caught me fair and square on that one. ;-) What I meant to say was that the boat may be from the possible D class cruiser seen in the background of the Vindictive photograph?

Copy the link to your post that contains the images and ask on the Ships Badges and Crests thread to see if any of those chaps recognise it.
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Another very old picture from Lt. Cross' album:-

The outline of the hills in the background, if I said Hong Kong ... yes / no? The picture seems to have been taken from inside a ship, if the porthole and hinges of the cover / lid are any clue. Perhaps the crane and buildings ashore could be pointers?

Comments, opinions welcome.
It looks like HK. Is the white shape on the far left the top cover of the old Tamar?
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Copy the link to your post that contains the images and ask on the Ships Badges and Crests thread to see if any of those chaps recognise it.
Excellent idea and already done.
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Attached is a photo of a ship's boat in shallow water probably near a beach on a hot day. Once again Cross features, sitting on the prow, with a towel across the knees.
Is it possible to identify the crest on the boat? To me it appears to be a lion standing on its hind legs?
I think we've ticked the box on this one, reference post #9071 on the link below;

http://www.worldnavalships.com/forum...8#post10160918

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Greetings Gentlemen

Please find below two images from the album of RM Lt. Bert Cross; yes the quest for knowledge and answers continues.

On the first I see two RM officers with pith helmets, someone with uniform and cap and someone with no headdress (civilian?) and then three others of eastern origin. So, the ranking officer on the right:
- what is he carrying under his arm?
- what rank is he?
- the three of eastern origin, are they Chinese or Singaporean, judging by their clothing?

I also see a range clock and a woven coir type mat, no I won't ask on which ship it is.

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The officer chap, far right, has 4 stripes on his shoulder boards signifying him as a RN Capt.

Hes got what looks like a telescope under his arm, and the 'mat' is actually a coil of rope lain down in a 'decorative' way, sometimes you see them in a figure of 8.

p.s. you had photos of some C & D class cruisers, and Veangence, in the far east. The ship is prob one of them

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Greetings Gentlemen

Please find below two images from the album of RM Lt. Bert Cross; yes the quest for knowledge and answers continues.

On the first I see two RM officers with pith helmets, someone with uniform and cap and someone with no headdress (civilian?) and then three others of eastern origin. So, the ranking officer on the right:
- what is he carrying under his arm?
- what rank is he?
- the three of eastern origin, are they Chinese or Singaporean, judging by their clothing?

I also see a range clock and a woven coir type mat, no I won't ask on which ship it is.

Thank you.
Marius,
The two officers wearing pith helmets (1906-1939) I Think are RN. The one with a telescope under his arm is a captain. The RM officer is in the middle sporting a moustache.
I would hazard a guess at Burmese for the 3 in long white garments.
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