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Old 03-11-2016, 08:22
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This is a direct contravention of the government's original statement that the design chosen would be "military off the shelf."

The fact that a number of senior Irving executives are ex-BAE employees and that retired RN RAdm Steve Brunton, who has ties with BAE, is acting as an "expert advisor" to the government on this project, is of course purely coincidental.

If BAE wins the bid I fear that we will end up with a poorly designed, hugely over-priced and ineffective product.

This entire business badly fails the smell test.

This article is of relevance:

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...t-systems-plan
Won't argue with you on the price, but poorly designed and ineffective I take exception too. So unless you have access to classified information, then why do you make this claim. Please don't use the perceived faults in the T45 to justify your 'poorly designed' remarks, the T26 is not a T45 and even if it was then lessons have been learned and solutions found.

The RN has a long history of well designed and very successful warships, but no doubt the very large French lobby in Canada will be exceedingly vociferous on this matter.

The truth of the matter is that Canadian defence procurement is in a state of absolute chaos. The long running helicopter fiasco, still not sorted. The on/off saga over the Hornet replacement, Replenishment ships in such a state they have to be towed back to port. Front line warships on their last legs. A veritable catalogue of mismanagement and confusion. Good grief you actually make our system look good.

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Old 07-11-2016, 18:38
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Concur 100 per cent. Our ability to purchase military hardware is hysterically laughable.
The replacements for Sea Kings, now approaching 55 years of age, is legendary. Now an announcement has been made that 44 billion dollars is what the costs will be for new vessels for the R.C.N.
You can look forward to that number being chopped by government interventionists or simply a significant reduction in the number of vessels which is the most common way of depleting a budgetary figure (and a fleet).
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Old 08-11-2016, 07:55
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Though I must say that it is comforting to know, that Canada has such a surfeit of frigates that it can dedicate one as an 'X' ship. Goodness knows what it does that couldn't be done during the course of normal ops, is beyond me. Except of course the ever present questionaire that has to be filled in daily. WOW and they get to wear 'actigraphs' and are very excited by all this. Yea, I just bet they are.

http://navaltoday.com/2016/11/08/can...y-on-missions/
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Old 16-11-2016, 14:45
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Though I must say that it is comforting to know, that Canada has such a surfeit of frigates that it can dedicate one as an 'X' ship. Goodness knows what it does that couldn't be done during the course of normal ops, is beyond me. Except of course the ever present questionaire that has to be filled in daily. WOW and they get to wear 'actigraphs' and are very excited by all this. Yea, I just bet they are.

http://navaltoday.com/2016/11/08/can...y-on-missions/
And they're off to search for the worst weather in the North Atlantic to test this new chopper. That's got to be as exciting as wearing their Actigraphs. I wonder if the Actigraphs will record the number of times they "barf"?
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Old 16-11-2016, 14:49
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And so they're off to search for the worst possible weather to test the new chopper in extreme weather conditions. The North Atlantic in November/December is a great testing ground. I wonder if the crews Actigraphs will record the number of "barfs"...
I did WUPS in a sweeper (RESOLUTE) in December in the Atlantic and not fun at all!
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Old 22-01-2017, 17:37
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Will this farce never end?

(From the Ottawa Citizen)

More time needed for Canadian Surface Combatant bids, industry says

"Two companies looking to bid on the multi-billion dollar project to build a future warship fleet for Canada have asked that the process be delayed as controversy continues to swirl around the removal of a top military commander."

Complete article here:

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/nation...-industry-says
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Old 23-01-2017, 07:58
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Tim: This too is troubling. All the likely bidders were well aware of the response time. It appears that not all need the extra time. In fairness, a minority of the interested parties should not be accorded more time to respond and potentially gain advantage over those who have met the bidding requirements.

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Old 23-01-2017, 16:18
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Tim: This too is troubling. All the likely bidders were well aware of the response time. It appears that not all need the extra time. In fairness, a minority of the interested parties should not be accorded more time to respond and potentially gain advantage over those who have met the bidding requirements.

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Old 24-01-2017, 11:38
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Tim: I agree from what one can clean from what visible information exists.
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Old 30-01-2017, 04:20
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I understand the RCN's senior admiral was recently relieved of his duties amid allegations of leaking sensitive information about the SCS programme to interested parties?
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Old 30-01-2017, 18:25
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I understand the RCN's senior admiral was recently relieved of his duties amid allegations of leaking sensitive information about the SCS programme to interested parties?
Yup!

On this thread: 35 Billion for New Canadian Warships

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/norm...leak-1.3939685
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Old 02-02-2017, 15:46
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How ironic. He get's caught with his fingers in the cookie jar (allegedly) but this sanctimonious Vice Admiral has the gall to cut off beer rations for ratings because of a couple of over exuberant matelots ashore in San Diego.
Did he cut off the rations in the wardrooms of H.M.C. Ships? Not likely!!
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Old 17-02-2017, 18:16
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Just what we needed - another delay.

(From the Ottawa Citizen)

Bidding on Canadian Surface Combatant program to be delayed, federal government confirms

"The submission of bids for a new fleet of future warships for the Royal Canadian Navy will be delayed, the federal government has confirmed."

Complete article here:

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/nation...nment-confirms
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Old 17-02-2017, 22:23
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[quote=Scatari;10161524]Just what we needed - another delay.

(From the Ottawa Citizen)

Bidding on Canadian Surface Combatant program to be delayed, federal government confirms

"The submission of bids for a new fleet of future warships for the Royal Canadian Navy will be delayed, the federal government has confirmed."

Whilst I agree with your remarks re the delay, you should be thankfull for small mercy's. Take a look at the UK's T26 programme, then you will understand what frustration is.
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Old 18-02-2017, 09:24
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Gentlemen: As the delay seems to have been at the hands of both government and industry, the delay seems justifiable.
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Old 25-02-2017, 11:10
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How ironic. He get's caught with his fingers in the cookie jar (allegedly) but this sanctimonious Vice Admiral has the gall to cut off beer rations for ratings because of a couple of over exuberant matelots ashore in San Diego.
Did he cut off the rations in the wardrooms of H.M.C. Ships? Not likely!!
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Sure if you call stealing, drunkenness and sexual misconduct being "over exuberant". It was also cut off due to a bunch of other incidents and several deaths. All alcohol was banned including the wardroom. It was about time and we are a better navy because of it.

If you are going to state facts, make sure they are accurate. Also read the latest on the VCDS before you're willing to throw knives at the man.
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Old 25-02-2017, 12:54
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The Vice Admiral has engaged legal counsel and is entitled to a proper defence of the allegations against, whatever they may be.
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Old 10-03-2017, 18:39
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Did he cut off the rations in the wardrooms of H.M.C. Ships? Not likely!!

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Old 11-03-2017, 07:08
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Just what we needed - another delay.

(From the Ottawa Citizen)

Bidding on Canadian Surface Combatant program to be delayed, federal government confirms

"The submission of bids for a new fleet of future warships for the Royal Canadian Navy will be delayed, the federal government has confirmed."

Complete article here:

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/nation...nment-confirms


A bit of sailor black humour for my long suffering Canadian friends. I hope it gets sorted soon for you guys.
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Old 15-03-2017, 00:42
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Wow, the sad part about that post mstary1 is that a very large majority of our minister would think that would be a great idea. Specially considering this is the stop gap they provided for the airforce. (18 F-18E's)
Darn it, now I am actually thinking of what a cruise on the old girl would be like.............
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