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Old 07-12-2015, 02:54
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If the Navy has no intention of deploying the F-35, Then it would make more sense to wait and see what unfolds rather than the opposite......

The other point made about the Japanese limit's the size and type as per there constitution has been noted in previous postings. The other side of this is "what has the Navy" set as far as to size and type of naval ships they will build? Is it there Naval Doctrine?

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Old 18-12-2015, 21:43
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With KAGA in water, what comes next Akagi, Zuikaku??? DFO
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Old 08-02-2017, 03:01
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Here is a video of USMC MV-22 flying aboard a Japanese "destroyer."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oT6lOQ_S-ZA
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Old 08-02-2017, 14:53
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On a continuing note Japan is buying 17 V-22's.
http://thediplomat.com/2016/07/japan...prey-aircraft/
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Old 24-03-2017, 01:25
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Kaga, sails again.

http://www.janes.com/article/68963/j...copter-carrier
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Old 25-03-2017, 00:29
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Overhead video of the two sisters.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iO4shR-jy6s
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Old 25-03-2017, 02:00
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These are not DDH's in the Canadian tradition. They might be helicopter carriers or amphibious aviation ships, if the V22 is operated from them. Add the F35B and one might call them escort carriers. In conclusion, they are an aircraft carrier of one sort or another.

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Old 11-05-2017, 17:39
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Four LM2500 turbines are the main sources of power for these "destroyers."
http://seapowermagazine.org/stories/...11-LM2500.html
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Old 01-09-2017, 14:51
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Now the new KAGA has recently joined the JMSDF, too.......DFO
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Old 27-12-2017, 02:20
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Both the Japanese and South Koreans are considering modifying their flat tops to operate the F-35B.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/a...f-35-fighters/
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Old 27-12-2017, 12:34
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Beijing, cautions Japan....
http://www.janes.com/article/76659/c...ass-for-f-35bs
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Old 27-12-2017, 17:10
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The gall of the Chinese.
They can acquire a Russian carrier and update it and that's okay.
They can build man-made islands in the South China seas, militarize them, give warnings to anyone who sails near them that they will be challenged.
And then they give a warning to Japan about modifying their carriers to accept aircraft other than choppers?
Give me a break. If there is anyone to be challenged or to be concerned about it is China and you can bet your sweet bippy that they will be looking towards world dominance in a few decades.
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Old 27-12-2017, 23:22
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South Korea and Japanese are again looking at the B.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/a...f-35-fighters/
Its not certain that they will upgrade the current ships Izumo, as it is just more than putting a ski jump on the front, they also have to look at lift handling weights increased EO magazine holding increased bunkerage etcetera etcetera

A Japanese delegation looked over the UK's newly commissioned cv HMS Queen Elizabeth pending the nature of the task force the Japanese would want to counter the PLAN's future cv fleet she may require a larger capacity (using the UK Falklands task groups as a guide) they may only have 10-12 fast jets plus the need for rotary support. If anything they may need something of the size of QE or even inspiration from the Chinese Type 001A to be honest it seems like a better layout for STOVL operations than QE with her dual tramway and angled deck to prevent fouling of deck operations
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Old 29-12-2017, 19:48
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The Kuznetsov was a hardly a success in the Med with her airgroup sent ashore after losses.
Modifying the Japanese ships to take the F35B makes good sense depending on cost. The F35B can counter the J15 with ease.
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Old 29-12-2017, 23:08
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The "logic" of essentially going back to a axial deck on the 2 QE's escapes me. The Chinese carriers, so far, are making the best of a non cat CV, but with angled deck; certainly seems more logical.

Supposedly the 3rd Chinese carrier will have cats..? IF the JMSDF does go for a true carrier will she be angle deck, or will politics not allow that?? DFO
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Old 30-12-2017, 08:11
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The "logic" of essentially going back to a axial deck on the 2 QE's escapes me. The Chinese carriers, so far, are making the best of a non cat CV, but with angled deck; certainly seems more logical.
Before the UK settled on the current design there where several differing design elements used size and scale, there was at one time thought of 300m plus design(up to (320m) which gave more latitude to designs. By increasing the length also gave more area for recovery without impacting launch serials and vice versa not fouling the recovery area, which in turn increases operation tempo windows.

Don't forget that the UK will use the Shipborne rolling vertical landing (SRVL) for recovery serials



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Supposedly the 3rd Chinese carrier will have cats..? IF the JMSDF does go for a true carrier will she be angle deck, or will politics not allow that?? DFO

Differing conops for China and Japan,

China is chasing a sea control capability in the SCS and outer island chain to push the USN as far away as possible from the Chinese mainland using both fixed (island) and mobile airbases.


Political optics(but is a consideration) is not an option for Japan, The JMSDF has limited infrastructure that can make use of conventional fighter aircraft in the south island chain, by using STOVL they can have more freedom of movement for Sea Denial operations using austere airfields and STOVL carriers, its also for this reason that Japan will most likely need more than a light carrier, its for this reason I believe that they will come up with a design of around 50-60000t which should give them a flexible ship to hold around 24 F35B's plus rotary support

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Old 30-12-2017, 08:26
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The Kuznetsov was a hardly a success in the Med with her airgroup sent ashore after losses.
That's an aircraft and most likely a lack of training hours problem, a modern Japanese version with 24x F35B would be a different kettle of fish.
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Old 30-12-2017, 12:32
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That's an aircraft and most likely a lack of training hours problem, a modern Japanese version with 24x F35B would be a different kettle of fish.
No, the losses were caused by defects on the ship - namely dodgy arrestor gear with wires breaking and aircraft ditching because they were unable to land with No other alternative available.
Considering their size the Kuznetsov type vessels have a very limited airgroup, in the case of the Chinese it's primary carrierborne aircraft is the J15 easily bettered by the F18 and outclassed by the F35B
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