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Old 06-10-2008, 13:24
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As usual have noticed no-body mentions the Korean Conflict or the part the Andrew played in it operating from Sasebo and Kure Japan, there must be hundreds old photos out there that have never seen the light of day, several RN Officers and ratings bled and lost their lives same as WW2 and the Falklands , always strangly forgotten somehow .........
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Tyler - I would agree that the Korean War and the part played in it by the Royal Navy is often overlooked but not in this forum sir!

I think you will find there are several threads that deal with the contribution made in some shape or form.

Here are a couple that spring to mind...


http://www.worldnavalships.com/forum...ghlight=Korean


http://www.worldnavalships.com/forum...ghlight=Korean


but there could well be others. It always pays to use our search facility at the top of the page - but please bear in mind that it will not work with words of 3

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So you would need to search for Korea or Korean, but not War.

The same as you could search for say Ocean but not HMS Ocean...
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please bear in mind that it will not work with words of 3 letters or less. So you would need to search for Korea or Korean, but not War. The same as you could search for say Ocean but not HMS Ocean...
Of course, there is good reason for this. If I allowed three letter searches, a search of HMS Ocean would certainly find all threads with HMS Ocean, but would also return any other thread with HMS in it!

Anyway, so as not to go off topic, here is a photo from the Korean War, of HMS Theseus.


HMS Theseus

Two Fairey Firefly fighter-bombers of 810 Sqn, Fleet Air Arm, overfly the carrier HMS Theseus during the Korean War.


Actually, it's a painting, but it does look like a photo.
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I fully understand that Kc - it was not meant in anyway to be a criticism of the search facility - I just felt that it needed explaining to anyone who had not used it before...
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As usual have noticed no-body mentions the Korean Conflict or the part the Andrew played in it operating from Sasebo and Kure Japan, there must be hundreds old photos out there that have never seen the light of day, several RN Officers and ratings bled and lost their lives same as WW2 and the Falklands , always strangly forgotten somehow .........
Not only Korea but just about every other conflict except WW2. This is a major short-coming.
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To Start off the Thread I thought I would start with the Maps to placement of UN forces are the start of the conflict on to the final line dividing the north from the south.

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I would hope this will start the ball rolling.

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Causes Of the Korean War

Japan had effectively occupied Korea since 1904. In the waning days of World War II, an agreement was reached between the United States and the Soviet Union: the Soviets would occupy South Korea only as far as the 38th parallel. The United States forces that arrived in Korea were wholly unprepared for their duties in Korea, not understanding its history and relationship with Japan. To many Koreans, independence and unification were their most important goals.

The United States, after much fumbling, supported Syngman Rhee, a Korean nationalist who had been exiled to the United States in 1907. The United States asked the United Nations to settle the issue of a divided Korea. Despite Soviet objections, a United Nations commission voted for elections in Korea. The communists in the South boycotted the election, and refused to allow it in the North. In the South, conservative parties allied with Rhee received a majority of the vote, in an election in which 80% of eligible Korean voters took part. Rhee became President of the newly-declared independent South Korea in October 1948. The Soviets installed Kim el Song as the leader of the North.

As the United States drew down its military in the post war period, the American garrison of 40,000 quickly withered to a force of 472 officers and men who made up the Korean Military Advisory Group (KMAG). The Korean army, known as ROK, was given only light weapons. The North Korean Army, on the other hand, was heavily equipped with tanks and other armored vehicles. The communist victory in China, combined with the first Soviet nuclear tests in 1949, resulted in a new US policy of containment in Asia. The policy, called NSC 48/2, called for the containment to be primarily non-military, with economic and military aid given to non-communist regimes in Asia.

On January 5, 1950, Secretary of State Dean Acheson, speaking at the National Press Club, articulated the American policy. He spoke of those countries that the US would defend with force: Japan, the Rykus islands and the Philippine Islands. Korea was left out. The withdrawal of the last American forces from Korea, as well as North Korean Kim's conviction that the US would not intervene, convinced the North Koreans to attempt to unify the country by force. The Soviets, led by Stalin, and the Chinese, led by Mao, concurred with both Kim's judgement about the United States and his plans to unify the country by force. In June, he struck.


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As usual have noticed no-body mentions the Korean Conflict or the part the Andrew played in it operating from Sasebo and Kure Japan, there must be hundreds old photos out there that have never seen the light of day, several RN Officers and ratings bled and lost their lives same as WW2 and the Falklands , always strangly forgotten somehow .........
Go to Navy Book Forum--Title--1950-1953 Korean Task Group,this book gives all ships that served in the area and the actions they took part in out there---book can be purchased thro`Abe Books--a very interesting read and should answer all you questions.
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A few phots from the Korean War. The IWM has a quite a few more on their website www.iwmcollections.org.uk

HMS COSSAK refuelling, HK Harbour, HMS THESIUS, HMS BELFAST, Band from BELFAST playing, HMS CEYLON,

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the carriers in the Korean War all flew the sea version of the Spitfire & Hurricane. One of these propeller driven aircraft shot down a Chinese MiG jet, the only time this has happened, it won't happen again. My memories of that time are many, for instance 15 beers in the Commonwealth canteen Kure cost 10/-, it was freezing in winter & cooking in the summer. My ship Unicorn was used for ferrying troops, planes, spare parts etc. We also provided a spare deck off Korea for the active carriers aircraft.
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I would agree that the Korean War and the part played in it by the Royal Australian Navy is often overlooked.

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I must admit my knowledge of the RN in this conflict is miniscule, but having read all the comments, including Terry's posting; which I read with interest- I am a tad more aware of the Navy's participation.

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Old 26-01-2011, 16:22
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Further to my #10 Unicorn was the only carrier to use her guns in shore bombardment.
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My Father-n-law was in the Korean conflict, in the US Navy.

We know he went ashore, but other than that he didn't talk much about it.

It is on his grave marker in Florida National cemetery, along with WWII.
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Not forgetting that the Royal New Zealand Navy contributed two frigates continually from 27 July 1950 until the truce in 1953.

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A thumbnail sketch of the Royal Navy's participation in the Korean Conflict.

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the carriers in the Korean War all flew the sea version of the Spitfire & Hurricane. One of these propeller driven aircraft shot down a Chinese MiG jet, the only time this has happened, it won't happen again. My memories of that time are many, for instance 15 beers in the Commonwealth canteen Kure cost 10/-, it was freezing in winter & cooking in the summer. My ship Unicorn was used for ferrying troops, planes, spare parts etc. We also provided a spare deck off Korea for the active carriers aircraft.
You fail to mention the Sea Fury which was the aircraft to shoot down the MiG 15.
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Yes, the Sea Fury flown by Lt 'Hoagey' Carmichael from HMS OCEAN was the first and only British piston engined aircraft to shoot down a Mig jet in Korea.

It was not, however, the only occasion that this unusual event occurred.

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HMS Belfast served in the Korean War for most of the duration of that conflict, being involved in patrols and bombardment support of the UN land forces there. The accuracy and effectiveness of her gunnery earned her the sub-title of "that Straight Shooting Ship". In July 1952 a shell from a concealed shore battery gun killed one of her crew and wounded four others. HMS Jamaica and HMS Black Swan fought in an engagement in which four North Korean torpedo boats and two NK gunboats were sunk.

I attach a couple of photographs of HMS Belfast during her operational duty in the Korean War. By coincidence to this thread I was at a WWII Naval Conference yesterday where one of the presentations (Prof. Andrew Lambert) was on the role played by the RN in the Korean War. By a further remarkable coincidence one of my fellow attendees is on the deck of Belfast in the first picture - taking photographs of the USS Bataan they were just passing.

The third picture shows the Sea Fury which shot down the MiG 15 which Blaydon mentions in the post above. Not bad for a piston-engined prop driven plane (piloted by Lt. Peter Carmichael RN) versus a jet aircraft.

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RAN in The Korean War


The Korean peninsula.In the first decade of the Twentieth Century, the Korean Peninsula was something of a pawn in power struggles between greater expansionist powers; primarily Japan and Russia. In 1910, after five years of provisional Japanese rule, Korea was annexed by Japan and a harsh colonial rule ensued. The Korean plight was largely ignored internationally until an agreement was reached at the Cairo Conference in December 1943 making Korean independence an Allied war aim. Later discussions at Yalta and Potsdam led the United States of America (USA) and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) to an agreement that Korea, upon the defeat of Japan, should be divided at the 38th parallel in order that the occupying Japanese could be disarmed. The type of government to be installed was not discussed.

The decision to divide Korea had an unforeseen, and ultimately disastrous, consequence. A Soviet backed communist regime was established in North Korea under Kim Il-sung, whilst in the south elections were held sponsored by the United Nations (UN). Relations between the two Korean Governments remained tense and finally on 25 June 1950 North Korean forces crossed the 38th Parallel and invaded the South. The UN reaction to the invasion was swift and on 27 June the UN requested assistance for South Korea.

On the 29 June the Australian Prime Minister, Sir Robert Menzies, placed HMA Ships Shoalhaven (I) and Bataan at the disposal of UN authorities in support of the Republic of Korea. From this time onwards until the cessation of maritime operations on 27 July 1953, RAN units played a major role in support of UN operations.

RAN destroyers and frigates were predominantly involved in conducting blockade, escort and bombardment duties on both sides of the Korean Peninsular. Escort and blockade duties were generally tedious but essential. Ships carrying out coastal blockade duties close to shore occasionally came under fire from enemy shore batteries. The first such exchange involving a RAN ship occurred on 1 August 1950 when Bataan was attacked by shore batteries whilst patrolling near the Haeju Gulf, northwest of Inchon. Battan returned fire and silenced four of the enemy guns. The Royal Navy (RN) cruiser HMS Belfast soon joined Bataan and both ships engaged the enemy. Bataan was straddled by enemy fire on a number of occasions during the duel.

HMAS Warramunga (I) arrived in Korean waters on 14 August 1950 and on 29 August provided escort support for the first non-American troops to arrive in Korea when British troops were landed at Pusan. Warramunga also acted as part of the screen for the aircraft carrier HMS Triumph when she operated off the east coast near Pusan.



Warramunga conducts a shore bombardment against targets in North Korea.Both Warramunga and Bataan were assigned to screening duties for the Allied landings at Inchon on 15 September. At about this time it was also decided to extend the deployment of RAN ships in the Area of Operations to a year due to the difficulty that the small post-war RAN experienced in maintaining a shorter deployment schedule. Both ships on station were to spend most of their service conducting patrols and bombardments of enemy positions and facilities. Warramunga and Bataan were both operating near the Yalu River when China intervened on the side of North Korea at the end of September.

Bataan was relieved by HMAS Murchison in June 1951. During her deployment Murchison was to gain fame during engagements with enemy shore batteries off the Han River. In September/October 1951 whilst patrolling in the Han River Estuary, Murchison was engaged by enemy guns of up to 75 mm. Murchison returned fire with her main armament and 40 mm Bofors guns. Her intense and accurate fire quickly silenced the enemy guns. The next day, whilst patrolling the same area, Murchison was again engaged by enemy shore batteries. On this occasion Murchison received a number of hits, fortunately there were no fatalities. With other UN ships arriving on the scene, the Communist batteries were quickly silenced.



Warramunga and Bataan flank HMS Charity in Yokosuka in January 1951.By this stage Warramunga had been relieved by HMAS Anzac (II). During her tour of duty, Anzac conducted patrols as well as landing intelligence teams and also conducted some train hunting. Her short deployment came to an end on 30 September 1951 when she escorted HMS Glory to Australia for a refit. Anzac was replaced by HMAS Tobruk (I).

In addition to the operations of the destroyers and frigates, the aircraft carrier HMAS Sydney (III) and embarked squadrons were also deployed to the Korean theatre. Her first operations were on 4 October 1951 on the west coast. After transferring to the east coast she commenced operations against enemy troop concentrations and suspected supply dumps. On 21 October Sydney's aircraft attacked a large concentration of North Korean junks preparing to launch an assault on Taehwa Do Island. Other operations included support for the Commonwealth Division and search and rescue patrols. Sydney's aircraft were generally engaged in operations against lines of communication, troop concentrations and industrial infrastructure, though the sub-zero temperatures of the northern winter had a negative influence on flying operations.

Sydney's deployment to Korea resulted in the general introduction of fluorescent panels to aid rescue aircraft. The system, devised by CAPT Harries, was so successful in aiding the location of downed crews that it was recommended for general introduction.



Air operations from Sydney in Korean waters.Sydney departed for Australia, accompanied by Tobruk, on 25 January 1952, arriving back in Australia on 22 February. Murchison also left the war zone just five days later having spent a total of 60 days in the Han River region. Warramunga and Bataan took their place in Korean waters. On 14 February Bataan was hit by enemy coastal batteries but no major was sustained, and in March Warramunga was also the target of enemy shore based fire but was not hit. Both ships continued to be engaged in patrol and bombardment work throughout this second deployment.

In the second half of 1952, HMA Ships Anzac and Condamine (I) were deployed to the war-zone. In September and October Condamine defeated an attempt by Communist forces to capture the Island of Tok Som, whilst Anzac received the unwelcome attention of North Korean shore batteries. By this stage the war had reached a stalemate and serious attempts were being made to resolve a cease-fire. However, it was not until July 1953 that naval operations were halted, and by that stage two more RAN ships, HMA Ships Culgoa and Tobruk, had deployed to Korea During her deployment Culgoa aided in the evacuation of Allied troops from Yong Mae do Island.



A flak-damaged Firefly aboard Sydney.As well as conducting naval operations, members of the RAN provided humanitarian assistance to the general populace. Throughout 1950/51, RAN ships regularly visited off shore islands carrying rice and other food stuffs for the inhabitants. In 1952, Condamine discovered about 100 orphaned Korean children living with the locals on an island off the west coast. The ship's company provided these children with warm clothing, fruit, chocolate and meat. On a subsequent trip the ship delivered a large number of toys purchased with money collected by the crew.

The Korean War came to end with the signing of an armistice agreement on 27 July 1953 and RAN warships continued post-armistice patrols until June 1954.

Statistical data relating to RAN Korean Operations:
Deployed Ships
HMA Ship Type Dates
SYDNEY A/C 31 August 1951 - 22 February 1952
ANZAC D 06 August 1951 - 17 October 1951
06 September 1952 - 26 June 1953
BATAAN D 10 June 1950 - 06 June 1951
17 January - 25 September 1952
TOBRUK D 31 August 1951 - 23 February 1952
03 June 1953 - 12 February 1954
WARRAMUNGA D 14 August 1950 - 29 August 1951
17 January 1952 - 08 August 1952
CULGOA F 14 March 1953 - 26 June 1953
CONDAMINE F 04 July 1952 - 10 April 1953
MURCHISON F 09 May 1951 - 17 February 1952
SHOALHAVEN F 27 June 1950 - 22 September 1950

A/C = Aircraft Carrier | D = Destroyer | F = Frigate

RAN Squadrons Deployed (HMAS SYDNEY):
805 Squadron
808 Squadron
817 Squadron
Operational Sorties Flown:2366
Aircraft Lost: 11
Aircraft Damaged: 77
Number of Flying Days: 42.8
Daily Sortie Rate: 55.2

Casualties:
Killed Missing Wounded Total
1 2 6 9

this is a summary of the the RAN involvement in korea. considering the size of the RAN compared to other navies the sailors in korea did an excellant job
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Congratulations L of Q on your highly detailed account and all RN and Commonwealth ships and FAA Squadrons involved-a lot of work; but an excellent overview.

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Regarding the Mig shot down by Lt 'Hoagy' Carmichael in his Sea Fury. I was always under the impression that he was the pilot of the Avenger mail plane on HMS Bulwark in 1955-56 . I'm sure it was generally believed to be so when I was serving on her at that time, and we were thrilled to have him on board, so I spent some time today searching, unsuccessfully as it happened, for evidence to confirm what I believed. The only thing about his post Korea career I found was that as a Commander he was C.O. at RNAS Lossiemouth and was President of the HMS Ocean Association. Among the references to his exploit in the Sea Fury I found this - disappointingly - I fear, I don't know whether to believe it or not. - it is from the Britain's Small Wars website:

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/ko...ydogfight.html

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Congratulations L of Q on your highly detailed account and all RN and Commonwealth ships and FAA Squadrons involved-a lot of work; but an excellent overview.

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Hi, i have recently found a lot of letters my Dad had sent his parents during the Korean conflict, amongst them were photo's one of which i have attached, it is HMS Morecombe Bay taken from the gundeck of HMS Whitesand Bay
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Nice shot Gillianann-one for the scrapbook I should think-these old snapshots are precious -part of the family history.

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