World Naval Ships Forums  
VIEW ALL OF OUR CURRENT SPECIAL OFFERS HERE!

Go Back   World Naval Ships Forums > Naval History > Other Naval Topics
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Other Naval Topics Other general naval or navy-related topics.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #476  
Old 30-05-2017, 14:30
gruntfuttock gruntfuttock is offline
Vice Commodore
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: nottingham
Posts: 734
Default Re: Modern Navy

Firstly for all the talk of Sir John Parkers report, we have yet to see the Government response to it, and what if anything they are going to implement from it.

The report was due out in the 'Spring' but we are told due to the Purdah for the election, it has been delayed. Which is not really a problem for Harriet Baldwin, as 'Spring' for her seems to be when she wants it to be.

Secondly, the T26 was originally known as the 'Global Combat Ship' for the reason that it was also aimed at the export market. Since its costs spiralled out of control, to the extent that even the UK can't afford it in the numbers needed, that descripton seems to have been quietly dropped.

As we seem unable to keep costs down in our shipbuilding industry, do we really believe this will not happen with the T31, well perhaps, but probably only by building a toothless overblown/overpriced OPV.

cheers

GF
Reply With Quote
  #477  
Old 30-05-2017, 20:25
Scatari Scatari is online now
Admiral
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Gatineau, Quebec, Canada
Posts: 4,173
Default Re: Modern Navy

Quote:
Originally Posted by gruntfuttock View Post
Firstly for all the talk of Sir John Parkers report, we have yet to see the Government response to it, and what if anything they are going to implement from it.

The report was due out in the 'Spring' but we are told due to the Purdah for the election, it has been delayed. Which is not really a problem for Harriet Baldwin, as 'Spring' for her seems to be when she wants it to be.

Secondly, the T26 was originally known as the 'Global Combat Ship' for the reason that it was also aimed at the export market. Since its costs spiralled out of control, to the extent that even the UK can't afford it in the numbers needed, that descripton seems to have been quietly dropped.

As we seem unable to keep costs down in our shipbuilding industry, do we really believe this will not happen with the T31, well perhaps, but probably only by building a toothless overblown/overpriced OPV.

cheers

GF
" ... a toothless overblown/overpriced OPV"

If that's what you're looking for, let us sell you some of our "Arctic Offshore Patrol Vessels" ... they should fit the bill perfectly!
__________________
Tim
Reply With Quote
  #478  
Old 06-06-2017, 07:08
gruntfuttock gruntfuttock is offline
Vice Commodore
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: nottingham
Posts: 734
Default Re: Modern Navy

Even more simulators for training purposes, are they anywhere near as good as the 'real thing' ?

https://www.defenceonline.co.uk/2017...tary-training/
Reply With Quote
  #479  
Old 06-06-2017, 09:12
XYZ XYZ is offline
Able Seaman
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 14
Default Re: Modern Navy

Quote:
Originally Posted by gruntfuttock View Post
Even more simulators for training purposes, are they anywhere near as good as the 'real thing' ?

https://www.defenceonline.co.uk/2017...tary-training/
My guess would be no, BUT if the crew don't get it right first time in the sim they were not going to get it right at sea.

If the sim is used correctly to let the crew have multiple practice runs on dry land it should allow at sea training time to be used more productively.

An other use of sims is to practice extreme and dangerous situations which are difficut to work on at sea without an unacceptable safety risk.
Reply With Quote
  #480  
Old 06-06-2017, 10:31
Dave Hutson Dave Hutson is offline
Admiral
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Plymouth, Devon
Posts: 3,234
Default Re: Modern Navy

Quote:
Originally Posted by gruntfuttock View Post
Even more simulators for training purposes, are they anywhere near as good as the 'real thing' ?

https://www.defenceonline.co.uk/2017...tary-training/
The RN sends all Nuclear boat Command Team to Holland to train on their Simulator before any drydocking or basining boats in Devonport. This is because of the tightness of the turn across the Tamar , access into the Basin which is also governed by the density of the water in the Tamar at the time of entry. It is a very tricky operation and could be megabuck expensive if anything went wrong

Dave H
Reply With Quote
  #481  
Old 06-06-2017, 12:07
gruntfuttock gruntfuttock is offline
Vice Commodore
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: nottingham
Posts: 734
Default Re: Modern Navy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Hutson View Post
The RN sends all Nuclear boat Command Team to Holland to train on their Simulator before any drydocking or basining boats in Devonport. This is because of the tightness of the turn across the Tamar , access into the Basin which is also governed by the density of the water in the Tamar at the time of entry. It is a very tricky operation and could be megabuck expensive if anything went wrong

Dave H
I didn't know that, so now I have a question.

As the Dutch only have conventional boats (Walrus) how does this work. Does the UK commission and pay for the software programme on the simulator, in respect of the UK type boats. As I assume it is critical the training has to be type specific.

Thanks

GF
Reply With Quote
  #482  
Old 06-06-2017, 12:12
Dave Hutson Dave Hutson is offline
Admiral
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Plymouth, Devon
Posts: 3,234
Default Re: Modern Navy

Your assumption is correct. As for the software, sorry, that particular aspect was not in the talk I attended on the subject. Perhaps one of our boffins will have the answer.

Dave H
Reply With Quote
  #483  
Old 06-06-2017, 13:59
gruntfuttock gruntfuttock is offline
Vice Commodore
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: nottingham
Posts: 734
Default Re: Modern Navy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Hutson View Post
Your assumption is correct. As for the software, sorry, that particular aspect was not in the talk I attended on the subject. Perhaps one of our boffins will have the answer.

Dave H
Thanks for that, so anyone out there with an answer to the above ?
Reply With Quote
  #484  
Old 27-06-2017, 17:23
Pelican's Avatar
Pelican Pelican is offline
Admiral
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,298
Exclamation Re: Modern Navy

BREXIT - NOT NAVAL BUT OVERALL DEFENCE

Defence spending at risk in departure lounge

The already strained defence budget has been stretched still further by Brexit. The post-referendum drop in the value of sterling is pushing up the cost of importing much-needed equipment and deepening the £10bn budget hole.

A contract to buy nine P-8 Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft from the American defence giant Boeing has swollen in cost from the original £3bn. A $2.3bn deal with Boeing to upgrade 50 of the army’s Apache attack helicopters has been scaled back to 38 aircraft.

Less than two years after the government published its latest defence review, a 60-day review has been launched that many in the industry fear will lead to projects being scaled back or delayed.

Paul Everitt, head of ADS, a defence and aerospace trade body, said: “The previous approach the Ministry of Defence was taken when it has had financial difficulties is to salami-slice programmes and activities. The ministry and government need to sit down with industry and talk about how to better manage their budget.”

ALSO - Future projects will also hinge on international co-operation. Next up is a programme to design a new fighter jet for Europe, called the next generation weapons system, which Airbus wants to lead. Its boss, Tom Enders, argues Europe cannot continue with various parallel, competing fighter jets. The Saab Gripen (Swedish), Dassault’s Rafale (French) and Eurofighter Typhoon all vie for orders.

Britain also has a tie-up with France to develop their own project. The future combat air system, a fighter drone, which includes BAE and Thales of France.
Some say this link will be strained by Brexit. Any deal that sees Britain isolated and France allied more closely with Germany on fighter jets would be bad news for the UK industry.
“It’s hard for Europe to think about future combat jets without the Rolls-Royce contribution,” said Warren East. “Expertise has disappeared in various places. To build that product, Rolls-Royce is necessary.”

[From the Sunday Times 25th June 2017]
__________________
H.M.S. PELICAN - GGCV - L86 U86 B294 & F 86 - WHAT I HAVE I HOLD - 1938~1958 - 'A wonderful bird is the Pelican. Its beak can hold more than its belly can.'
Reply With Quote
  #485  
Old 28-06-2017, 10:31
al1934's Avatar
al1934 al1934 is offline
Commander
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Torquay, Devon, England
Posts: 491
Default Re: Modern Navy

This looks like politics and politics and religion were not mentioned in my Navy.
__________________
Alick
Reply With Quote
  #486  
Old 30-06-2017, 21:44
Pelican's Avatar
Pelican Pelican is offline
Admiral
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,298
Exclamation Re: Modern Navy

Michael Fallon has announced a package of new contributions to NATO.
At a meeting of NATO Defence Ministers, the Defence Secretary confirmed:
  • The Royal Navy will take the lead of half of NATO’s maritime forces for a year.
  • Offensive cyber support to NATO operations.
  • Increased UK support for advising the Afghan Government, and its defence and security forces.
  • Strengthened cooperation on Maritime Patrol Aircraft.
See - https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/defe...paig n=social

[Again factual not political]
__________________
H.M.S. PELICAN - GGCV - L86 U86 B294 & F 86 - WHAT I HAVE I HOLD - 1938~1958 - 'A wonderful bird is the Pelican. Its beak can hold more than its belly can.'
Reply With Quote
  #487  
Old 01-07-2017, 09:09
Pelican's Avatar
Pelican Pelican is offline
Admiral
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,298
Exclamation Re: Modern Navy

Maintaining sophisticated military equipment across land, sea and air is a difficult enough challenge when the required resources are readily available.

So how can the military balance equipment availability with a reactive and compliant maintenance strategy and supply chain when the number of skilled engineers is limited? Here, Graham Grose, Vice President and Industry Director at the Aviation & Defence Business Unit at IFS, examines the use of augmented reality to deliver maintenance expertise from anywhere in the world.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/mili...paig n=social
__________________
H.M.S. PELICAN - GGCV - L86 U86 B294 & F 86 - WHAT I HAVE I HOLD - 1938~1958 - 'A wonderful bird is the Pelican. Its beak can hold more than its belly can.'
Reply With Quote
  #488  
Old 07-07-2017, 21:28
Pelican's Avatar
Pelican Pelican is offline
Admiral
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,298
Exclamation Re: Modern Navy

Ongoing manpower issues revealed by status of Royal Navy surface escorts

Although recent news for the Navy has been mostly positive, with HMS Queen Elizabeth at sea and orders placed for the Type 26 frigates, a quick look at the status of the escort fleet reveals the stresses that lack of manpower continues to exert.

Continues at - http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/ongo...rface-escorts/
__________________
H.M.S. PELICAN - GGCV - L86 U86 B294 & F 86 - WHAT I HAVE I HOLD - 1938~1958 - 'A wonderful bird is the Pelican. Its beak can hold more than its belly can.'
Reply With Quote
  #489  
Old 10-07-2017, 17:30
Pelican's Avatar
Pelican Pelican is offline
Admiral
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,298
Exclamation Re: Modern Navy

Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon said today in Parliament that “a growing defence budget means more ships, more planes, more armoured vehicles and more cutting edge equipment for our forces” but is the Royal Navy really growing?

See - https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/desp...paig n=social
__________________
H.M.S. PELICAN - GGCV - L86 U86 B294 & F 86 - WHAT I HAVE I HOLD - 1938~1958 - 'A wonderful bird is the Pelican. Its beak can hold more than its belly can.'
Reply With Quote
  #490  
Old 10-07-2017, 17:44
Pelican's Avatar
Pelican Pelican is offline
Admiral
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,298
Exclamation Re: Modern Navy

Is Scotland really the only part of the UK that can build complex warships?

Claims that Scotland is the only part of the UK with the capabilities to build complex warships have been met with scepticism.

See - https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/scot...paig n=social
__________________
H.M.S. PELICAN - GGCV - L86 U86 B294 & F 86 - WHAT I HAVE I HOLD - 1938~1958 - 'A wonderful bird is the Pelican. Its beak can hold more than its belly can.'
Reply With Quote
  #491  
Old 11-07-2017, 07:49
gruntfuttock gruntfuttock is offline
Vice Commodore
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: nottingham
Posts: 734
Default Re: Modern Navy

The Royal Navy in particular is suffering from a critical manpower, or is it now person power shortage. The answer given in parliament yesterday addressing this, is absolutely pathetic.

A planned increase of 400 rpt 400 personel by 2025, it's enough to make you weep.-


Asked by Bob Blackman
(Harrow East)
[N]
Asked on: 04 July 2017
Ministry of Defence
Navy
900312
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what plans he has to expand the Royal Navy.
A
Answered by: Mark Lancaster
Answered on: 10 July 2017

The Royal Navy is growing for the first time in a generation. The first of two new aircraft carriers, HMS QUEEN ELIZABETH, is at sea conducting trials. There will be new submarines; frigates – we have placed the contract for the first three Type 26s; aircraft; patrol vessels; support ships and tankers. We will increase Naval personnel numbers by 400 to 30,600 by 2025.
Reply With Quote
  #492  
Old 17-07-2017, 21:34
Pelican's Avatar
Pelican Pelican is offline
Admiral
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,298
Exclamation Re: Modern Navy

A SIGN OF THE TIMES? BUT IT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE WORKING FOR THE R.N.?


MoD social media spend increases 46% over same period last year

From January to June last year, the MoD spent £583,968 on social media. This year, they spent £853,832 according to official figures.

The Parliamentary question highlighting this information was asked by Deidre Brock, MP for Edinburgh North and Leith:

“To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, how much his Department has spent on advertising on social media in each month since January 2016.”
The question was answered by Tobias Ellwood, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Defence People and Veterans:
“The vast majority of social media advertising spend within the Ministry of Defence is to aid recruitment into our Armed Forces. Since January 2016 the Ministry of Defence spent the following amounts on social media.”
Since January 2016 the Ministry of Defence spent the following amounts on social media.
Date Spend January 2016 £71,553 February 2016 £177,507 March 2016 £165,471 April 2016 £52,329 May 2016 £64,864 June 2016 £52,244 July 2016 £86,978 August 2016 £166,245 September 2016 £144,463 October 2016 £118,660 November 2016 £179,258 December 2016 £185,023 January 2017 £212,572 February 2017 £202,038 March 2017 £244,785 April 2017 £12,287 May 2017 £79,831 June 2017 £102,319


The increase in budget would appear to support claims that this is to aid recruitment and this is a common practice in western nations with a high percentage of young people using social media.
Recruiting via social media is booming, 84% of organisations do it, and 9% more are planning to. This is up sharply from 2011, when only 56% used social media for recruitment, according to a Society for Human Resource Management (SHRM) survey.

From - https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/mod-...iod-last-year/
__________________
H.M.S. PELICAN - GGCV - L86 U86 B294 & F 86 - WHAT I HAVE I HOLD - 1938~1958 - 'A wonderful bird is the Pelican. Its beak can hold more than its belly can.'
Reply With Quote
  #493  
Old Yesterday, 22:13
Pelican's Avatar
Pelican Pelican is offline
Admiral
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,298
Exclamation Re: Modern Navy

FLTC - PERHAPS THE R.N. WILL FOLLOW?

In 1867, Royal Navy Captain, and later Admiral, Philip Colomb, worked out a system to send signals by a code of dots and dashed using signal lamps. Since then, navies around the world have used only slightly improved versions of signal lamps to send secure messages over short distances between ships. The system has lasted because it relatively simple and effective. Nevertheless, signaling with light is not without its problems. The technique is fairly slow and requires trained personnel skilled in the use of Morse Code to make it work.

Now, the US Navy is testing a high-tech version of the old signal lamps which use computer operated lights to flash signals, potentially much faster and more accurately than the old manual lamps. Sailors will be able to send messages over the updated signal lamp systems in the same way they send text messages over their smart phones. The devices being tested are referred to as Flashing Light to Text Converter (FLTC) systems. The FLTC is, in some respects, an old and proven technology updated for the iPhone generation.

See - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dpd...ature=youtu.be

What next? Automated flag hoists, ensigns, jacks, battle ensigns and flag officer's flags all being raised via automation? Even ye olde original semaphore arms are a possibility?
__________________
H.M.S. PELICAN - GGCV - L86 U86 B294 & F 86 - WHAT I HAVE I HOLD - 1938~1958 - 'A wonderful bird is the Pelican. Its beak can hold more than its belly can.'
Reply With Quote
  #494  
Old Yesterday, 23:27
harry.gibbon's Avatar
harry.gibbon harry.gibbon is offline
Admiral
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Merseyside
Posts: 7,690
Default Re: Modern Navy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelican View Post
[b]FLTC - PERHAPS THE R.N. WILL FOLLOW?

Now, the US Navy is testing a high-tech version of the old signal lamps which use computer operated lights to flash signals, potentially much faster and more accurately than the old manual lamps. Sailors will be able to send messages over the updated signal lamp systems in the same way they send text messages over their smart phones. The devices being tested are referred to as Flashing Light to Text Converter (FLTC) systems. The FLTC is, in some respects, an old and proven technology updated for the iPhone generation.
FLTC an interesting development - so; some more info via the written word :-

For Immediate Release: Jul. 17, 2017

By Warren Duffie Jr., Office of Naval Research

ARLINGTON, Va.—The signal lamp aboard the guided-missile destroyer USS Stout flashed fast light bursts to the USS Monterey, located pierside 250 feet away. Aboard the Monterey, a guided-missile cruiser, its own signal lamp used a mounted GoPro camera to receive the incoming Morse code—which then was converted into text appearing on an accompanying handheld device.

Peering at the device connected to the Monterey’s signal lamp, Scott Lowery chuckled as one word popped up on the screen: “random.”

“I asked them to text me something random, so they signaled the word ‘random,’ ” said Lowery, an engineer at Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC) Panama City, Florida. “Simple, but it shows the system is working.”

Lowery recently was at Naval Station Norfolk, Virginia, conducting a demonstration of the Flashing Light to Text Converter (FLTC)—a ship-to-ship communication system that he’s helped develop to enable U.S. Navy vessels to use their signal lamps to text message each other.

Sponsored by the Office of Naval Research’s (ONR) TechSolutions program, FLTC features (1) a camera that can be mounted atop a signal lamp and hone in on Morse code bursts from another lamp within view, and (2) a hand-held device or laptop computer connected to this camera to display text messages sent and received.

Linking the commercially available camera and device is a proprietary converter that uses specialized software algorithms to process incoming light flashes into high-frequency signals—and then convert those into text messages. To reply to a text, a Sailor can use the device to type a response that is sent back as a Morse code message via specially powered LED lights that flash automatically.

............ Sailors can quickly and easily type and send messages—with fewer mistakes—even if they don’t know Morse code.

“The best part of this flashing light converter is how easy it is for Sailors to use,” said Lowery. “It’s very intuitive because it mirrors the messaging systems used on iPhones. You just type your message and send it with the push of a button.”

FLTC also would be useful in certain “communications-denied” scenarios at sea where satellite communications is risky or unavailable, said ONR Command Master Chief Matt Matteson.

“FLTC could be extremely valuable if a ship’s main communications go down or if it needs to maintain a low electronic signature to avoid detection by an adversary,” he said.

FLTC originated in 2015, when the Naval Surface and Mine Warfighting Development Center (SMWDC) in San Diego sent a request to ONR’s TechSolutions program for a text-messaging interface for signaling between ships. TechSolutions is ONR’s rapid-response science and technology program that develops prototype technologies to address problems voiced by Sailors and Marines, usually within 12-18 months.

To provide a solution to SMWDC, TechSolutions selected and funded NSWC Panama City and a commercial company—Creative MicroSystems Corp.—to develop the components of FLTC.

“In the future, we envision a standard retrofit kit that could be placed on all existing signal lamps,” said Lowery.

Later this year, TechSolutions will deliver prototype FLTCs to SMWDC for further testing and evaluation. Lowery and his team hope to see the system issued throughout the fleet next year.

Watch a video of the FLTC demonstration.

Warren Duffie Jr. is a contractor for ONR Corporate Strategic Communications.

Source; ONR Office of Naval Research - Science & Technology


Little h
__________________

GFXU - HMS Falmouth in Falmouth Bay
Reply With Quote
Reply



Ship Search by Name : Advanced Search
Random Timeline Entry : 31st January 1937 : HMS Dragon : Sailed Salem Mass.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
RN Submarines: Modern astraltrader Photo Galleries 82 27-11-2014 17:32
Modern US Destroyers CGRET Photo Galleries 26 27-10-2012 06:59
Modern Navy Models JacktheGunner Modelling Forum 9 29-10-2011 06:04
Life In The Modern Russian Navy r.morrison Russian Ships and Crews 19 20-05-2011 20:50
Modern day Royal Navy Frigates ceylon220 Other Naval Topics 8 06-10-2009 02:28


All times are GMT. The time now is 20:50.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.