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Old 06-06-2017, 16:04
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Had a wee think and came up with this idea using the system of four shaped guide post one on each corner running down to a support platform below the level of the hanger deck. This would give the lift support on all corners. Grooved would suit and easy to shape from B&Q picture frame wood. The base of the lift would have a cross section made from copper or light alloy with a centre point holding a screw rod about 65 mm long. The distance of travel will allow the rod to fil in below the hanger deck and can be controlled using a nut with a groove cut to control the rod travel. ( I think) have to see if that will work. Simple drive motor with two limit switches.

Thats my first idea.
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Old 19-06-2017, 18:48
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The forward lift cage has been made and positioned in the hull with the lower deck supports in place to obtain the lift height.
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Old 19-06-2017, 18:54
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First set up for the lift platform which did not work. I had even gut two slide grooves for the end sections top and bottom of the lift to slide but it was not going to work.
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Old 19-06-2017, 19:03
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So now working on the plan I drew up earlier the only change is I will replace the bolt with a 4mm square center point and attached to it a 100 mm rack which will then be pulled down or pushed up by a pinion attached to a drive motor with top and bottom stops fitted will post photos when the rack and pinion arrive and has been fitted. The reason for the change from the 6 mm bolt as in the photos is that the pinion teeth will not mess with the bolt with out jumping.
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Old 20-06-2017, 15:39
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When I was building my Escort Carrier I thought of going to a scrap yard for a car electric window mechanism, but never got round to it.
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Ps one of my jobs on Ark Royal was Lift 'Driver'. You could always tell the Lift driver , he had a whistle round his neck! Two blasts 'stand clear of the lift' ( select destination ) Ark forward lift, was FD, Sick Bay, Upper hangar, Lower Hangar. I think there was one between the hangars, but can't remember. Followed by one blast as you switched on the power. After lift. FD, Captains flat, Upper Hangar, After Torpedo Body Room ( made the best coffee on the Ark) lower hangar. We used to have canvas chutes rigged from the FD to various doors in the lift well for stores when RASing!.
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Old 20-06-2017, 21:57
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When I was building my Escort Carrier I thought of going to a scrap yard for a car electric window mechanism, but never got round to it.
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Ps one of my jobs on Ark Royal was Lift 'Driver'. You could always tell the Lift driver , he had a whistle round his neck! Two blasts 'stand clear of the lift' ( select destination ) Ark forward lift, was FD, Sick Bay, Upper hangar, Lower Hangar. I think there was one between the hangars, but can't remember. Followed by one blast as you switched on the power. After lift. FD, Captains flat, Upper Hangar, After Torpedo Body Room ( made the best coffee on the Ark) lower hangar. We used to have canvas chutes rigged from the FD to various doors in the lift well for stores when RASing!.
Jim
I think there was a watertight door in 5G bunk space that opened up onto the lift well. I was used as a route for stores and, during a RAS solids, a canvas shute went from the flight deck to the bunk space door.

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Old 23-06-2017, 15:21
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Took Lusty down to the pond and carried out a water line test and make sure there was no water leaks. She floats fine and the weight I put in is about right as I still have the two 12v 7 amp dry cell batteries to install and the deck with all the aircraft and the island. If I need any more weight I can install some lead flashing to finisher her off. Photo of her on the pond to come when I remove them from my phone SD card.
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Old 28-06-2017, 14:26
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I have made the rack to replace the steel bolt and fitted it to the under side of the lift. Made adjustments to the base floor of the lift so that the rack can pass through and the base will be fixed to the lift shaft. It will hold the drive motor underneath, with on off switches to be marked and fitted.

I am looking for a good supplier of small 12 v motors with gearing attached to reduce the speed to a nice slow movement up and down. Anyone know of a good supplier to who I can give the specifications of my pinion and rack.
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Old 28-06-2017, 14:37
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Have completed the chain deck and kitted out this deck with the 4 x 6 lbs guns, lockers, reels anchor chains and capstan along with bollards etc. Also the first of the front searchlight platforms has been railed and light fitted, along with ladders and door. Once the portholes have been fitted she will really look the part. She goes on display at the local Maritime Museum on the 21/22/23 of July. So looking forward to the comments from the people who want to see her.
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Old 29-06-2017, 08:33
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Well done Paul , she is taking shape well .

As I have said before it ends up running your life , but the results portray the effort expended , and having viewed your work know just how much your models are a labour of love
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Old 29-06-2017, 11:21
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Good work Paul, and hope all goes well for you (and the model) for the forthcoming public display.

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Old 01-07-2017, 16:17
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Thanks guys, she is progressing well and it will not be long before the flight deck goes on and the last of the pom pom decks can be made and finished off. The the island can be mounted.
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Old 07-07-2017, 14:17
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Quarter deck is now ready to be kitted out have installed the railings. Difficult job to fit around each of the supports in the quarter deck and then be able to slide the deck in ready to be bonded in place.

Also started on the last deck to be made which is the lower level of carley floats. difficult to work out how they are mounted and the only photo I have does not give much detail. The ship's plans of each of the hull sections cuts does not help either.
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Old 20-07-2017, 22:07
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Had a lot of work to do to get her ready for this weekend show. The quarter deck fitted out and installed. Lift section fitted and ready for the flight deck. Cut the rear section first and made cut outs for the rudder and the drive motors. secured and trim. The forward section then cut and a larger opening for the electrics and the lift. Finally placed the mount for the island to sit on so it can be removed and refitted in the same place. Wiring for lighting on the island run through to the under side and ready to wire up. Final gave the island its top coat and fitted all the port hole covers. Even had time to mount the shop boats with lowering chains from the booms. Trial fit of all pom pom, HA fire control units and all searchlights. She looks great. Will take more photos at the show and a video and put it on Flickr. Hope you like.
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Old 21-07-2017, 15:28
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She looks great Paul, much credit to your had work and attention to detail.

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Old 24-07-2017, 19:31
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Here is the link to the model on display at the Irvine Maritime Museum on the 22/7/2017.

https://youtu.be/0B2siOJAhZU

Also link to photos.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/929987...57686616807116
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Old 25-07-2017, 08:19
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Well done Paul, looking forward to completion of model.

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Old 30-07-2017, 15:53
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Here is the link to the model on display at the Irvine Maritime Museum on the 22/7/2017.

https://youtu.be/0B2siOJAhZU

Also link to photos.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/929987...57686616807116
I take it all went well Paul

Just as a point of interest and following on from your comments about lights , you may like to consider an alternative to the wiring up of the plethora of lights that i found useful

Assuming you are using LED's you might like to think about the Action electronics [ now Component-Shop.co.uk ] in particular their P112 fused power distribution Board with or without power switch .

I found that the needs of the volts for the" bundles" of lights can be grouped into 12v lots [ 5 x 2.1mm @2.4v =12v] ....these PDB's can be daisy chained and each can run 8 separate supplies so 1 could handle 40 bulbs in theory so if your using flight deck lights , superstructure floodlights , nav lights ,etc etc you could run all of these off on 1 dedicated 12v battery or LIPO ......just a thought and hope I'm not teaching you how to suck eggs mate .....

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Old 30-07-2017, 17:06
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Nice information, will look that up. Not planning to put too many lights on board, as she is a WW11 ship, thought lights to light up all the decks to let the detail be seen. The two day display went well, lots of people saw the ship and made nice comments on the size and the time to make and the detail they could see.
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Well as I say when comments were made ....."this is my take on it " and left them muttering about it ...after all they haven't got to buy all the bits they thought of would make it please them .......so totally understand your comment .......only mentioned it as an option you may not have been aware of .

Without exception all my models are still works in progress as an idea occurs to me and I look at the costs involved and the end result ...and do i want it

As for the distribution boards doing it that way saved the head scratching worrying over resister values and there accommodation being able to do straight cable runs from point A to B .......and yes my model was post refit conversion and represented the late 50's early 60's

So good luck and keep us posted please Paul
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Old 24-08-2017, 16:39
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Sorry for the quiet spell but been working out how best to install the carley floats to the side of the hull. First two attempts/ideas have failed and now seem to have got the correct way on this build. I have cut a one piece of 2mm styrene to cover the full length of the walkway around the island up to the 8 barrel pom pom aft of the island. This section of styrene also included enough depth down the side of the hull to mount the 12 carley floats the same way as I mounted the floats to the side of the island. The section had to have cuts made to that I could reduce to the area I needed with the end sections heated to form the curves at each end of this section. A small platform was made from 2mm ply to hold the fixing points for the bottom of the floats. Small cuts 3mm long and 1mm wide was made in the side walk way to hold the top cables for the securing straps of each carley. Hope the photos show the idea.
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Well done Paul , looks good to me .
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