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Old 13-08-2009, 12:28
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Was the Quebec the last Canadian warship to sail around the horn, was it under sail or still running engines?,
like to know that story

7 quebec crossing the horn 45 real sails.jpg

7 quebec crew dad front left 3erd in 1954 to Rio.jpg

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Old 14-08-2009, 12:18
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HMCS Uganda/Quebec rounded the Horn on the 20th March, 1946, according to this certificate. I was unable to find information about the sails. Maybe someone else can shed some light on this.

Here's a link to a HMCS Uganda/Quebec web site that includes some nice photos.

BTW, I like your avatar - gate vessel HMCS Porte St. Jean. I sailed on her in the '60's.
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I don't know if she was the last, but the engines were running. The sail was hoisted as part of a tradition when rounding the horn. I'm not sure where it started or why.
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Old 31-08-2009, 18:20
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thanks for the link and info, have a few good photos of dad on the Quebec in the early 50s, he had some life long friends starting from that ship, crossing the eqator

As for the Porte class ships, Jean and St louis were the last ships dad was on, I had a few cruises up and down the east coast on them in the 70s
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HMCS Kootenay rounded the Horn during her last voyage in 1995 before decommissioning. Ironically, the crew announced that they were the first ship of the Canadian navy ever to do this, only to hear numerous veterans chirp up and indicate that HMCS Quebec actually did the same thing.
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Old 18-12-2010, 03:28
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Some excerpts from the ships voyage log.

While many of the ship's company drafted aborad were new to Uganda, a core of her original crew remained, including Captain Mainguy. Commander Hugh F. Pullen, the Executive Officer, was replaced by Commander F.W. Finch-Noyes. The gunnery officer, by then a Lieutenant Commander, W.M. Landymore, also stayed on as part of a postwar crew.

On February 5, 1946, after a few days sea trials, Uganda was on her first training cruise around South America. Along the eastern periphery of the Pacific rim of North and South America, she visited five ports between Esquimalt and the "Horn." The activities at the ports of call ranged from diplomatic protocol of wreath-placing, to crew members ascending the Andes Mountains by train near Callao, Peru. There they stopped to view and film the panorama of villages and surrounding countryside. They also became the recipients of jets of spittle from llama herds.

Uganda then sailed around Cape Horn on March 20, 1946, in moderate weather and on a calm seas, which is not often the scene where the Pacific and Atlantic oceans converge.

(the photo in the thread exists at the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic and clearly depicts the three jury-rigged sails fashioned by the boatswains to continue exercise the tradition of "sailing" around the horn, an accomplishment that allowed her crew to sit at their mess table with one elbow resting on the table. They must have had quite the fun fashioning and raising a forestay sail, crane jib, and mainmast gaff-rigged mainsail)

The next port of call on March 22 was Stanley, in the Falklands Islands, located five hundred miles north-easterly from cape Horn. Uganda was the first man-of-war to visit Stanley since 1939, when HMS Ajax arrived there just before the sea battle at the mouth of the Rio de la Plata. After arrival at Montevideo, Uruguay, a few of the Uganda crew visited the scuttled, burnt-out hulk of the German pocket battleship, Graf Spee.

Moving north along the eastern coast of South America, Uganda nosed into the harbour at Recife, Brazil, where Captain Mainguy received instructions to return to Esquimalt, rather than Halifax.
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Old 20-12-2010, 15:49
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My father also told me a story of when they went to the opening of the Canso causeway in N.S. when they shot off the guns, what a roar in that small confines in the bay, and broke alot of porceline below decks on the Quebec

There is a CBC video somwhere of that
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Great pics of the ex Uganda shame the Canadians sold them when they were still quite young
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Ludsie:

The rationale for disposing of HMC Ships Quebec and Ontario was similar to that of transferring HMCS Labrador to the Department of Transport. The manpower and money saved were better used to man the anti-submarine fleet that had been developed as Canada's prime naval commitment to NATO during the Cold War. The cruisers had been used primarily for officer cadet training on a rotational basis (training/operational reserve cycle). This function was taken over by the growing fleet of Prestonain Class frigates which had a ASW capability as well. There was no intent to operate a general purpose fleet at that time.

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It seems to me that HMCS Rainbow was likely the first Canadian warship to round the horn. From the article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Rainbow_(1891) it appears that Rainbow was in UK waters when presented to the RCN in 1910. It was sent to the west coast, and since the Panama Canal did not open until 1914, it presumably had to go around the horn to get to Esquimalt.

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My brother came across the certificate of HMCS Quebec south american tour,

I was just trying to translate into English, I hope I got it right? Also have a nice photo bowshot of the crew at sea, eazy enough to find my father in that one also, will post when scanned

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Considering that her Majesty’s Canadian ship, the Québec, is a visitor in our Kingdom, of which we’ve kept the memory and honored motto, we express our best welcome wishes in the oceanic domain to her captain, our faithful and well-loved brother, as well as to her crew of old Porpoises and landlubbers.

Be it understood that on this day …………………… crossed the equator aboard the H.M.C.S. Québec and, having been duly initiated, he is permitted to call himself ‘Porpoise’ (seafarer). It’s required that all Sharks, Dolphins, Sea Cucumbers, Newts and Landlubbers treat him with all possible respect.

In addition, we are pleased to favour him with propitious (beneficial) Winds, profitable Voyages and with all the Blessings that we are able to extend.

Proclaimed in our court aboard the H.M.S.C. Québec at the equator 36 degrees 30’ West longitude October 30, 1954.
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It seems to me that HMCS Rainbow was likely the first Canadian warship to round the horn. From the article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Rainbow_(1891) it appears that Rainbow was in UK waters when presented to the RCN in 1910. It was sent to the west coast, and since the Panama Canal did not open until 1914, it presumably had to go around the horn to get to Esquimalt.

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After commissioning, Rainbow was assigned to the west coast of Canada and was the first Canadian ship to sail around South America by the Strait of Magellan. She arrived at Esquimalt, British Columbia on 7 November 1910.
As source, Wiki cites:
pp.233-234 of: Johnston, William; Rawling, William G.P; Gimblett, Richard; and MacFarlane, John. (2010) The Seabound Coast: The Official History of the Royal Canadian Navy, 1867-1939. Volume 1; Toronto: Dundurn Press. ISBN 978-1-55488-908-2
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Old 03-04-2015, 17:59
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My brother came across the certificate of HMCS Quebec south american tour,

I was just trying to translate into English, I hope I got it right? Also have a nice photo bowshot of the crew at sea, eazy enough to find my father in that one also, will post when scanned

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Considering that her Majesty’s Canadian ship, the Québec, is a visitor in our Kingdom, of which we’ve kept the memory and honored motto, we express our best welcome wishes in the oceanic domain to her captain, our faithful and well-loved brother, as well as to her crew of old Porpoises and landlubbers.

Be it understood that on this day …………………… crossed the equator aboard the H.M.C.S. Québec and, having been duly initiated, he is permitted to call himself ‘Porpoise’ (seafarer). It’s required that all Sharks, Dolphins, Sea Cucumbers, Newts and Landlubbers treat him with all possible respect.

In addition, we are pleased to favour him with propitious (beneficial) Winds, profitable Voyages and with all the Blessings that we are able to extend.

Proclaimed in our court aboard the H.M.S.C. Québec at the equator 36 degrees 30’ West longitude October 30, 1954.
Nice translation dpoidy!

Interesting to see the use of the term "marsouin" (porpoise) applied to those who had previously crossed the line ... I'm guessing that no French equivalent could be found for the more commonly used term "shellback."
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Old 13-04-2015, 16:37
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Thanks Tim, had a lil help, I assume this were given to crew members not signed and all in french?
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Thanks Tim, had a lil help, I assume this were given to crew members not signed and all in french?
Hard to say dpoidy ... must admit that I was surprised to see it in French as there were far less Francophones in the navy in those days and no official policy regarding a requirement to promulgate things in both official languages.

I would assume that this must have been a "master copy" and that individual names would have been filled in before they were actually presented to the individuals concerned. (That was certainly the case when I crossed the line in Kootenay in 1978 ... mind you, our ship's company was about 250, not the 900 odd for Quebec, so there would have been significantly less work for the "scribes" in preparing the certificates!)
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Old 08-06-2015, 11:13
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Never seen this photo of Quebec, was when my father just went aboard her
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My father also told me a story of when they went to the opening of the Canso causeway in N.S. when they shot off the guns, what a roar in that small confines in the bay, and broke alot of porceline below decks on the aQuebec

There is a CBC video somwhere of that
I saw Quebec anchored there as I marched across with the hundred pipers. I was one of the last sailors to sleep aboard while we cleared the ship to go to /sydney, NS. I had made the last cruise as part of my apprenticeship training on HMCS Cape Breton.
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Couple more that were just sent to me, Copenhagen of what I understand? one thing about the internet, folks are scanning and uploading history (RCN)
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Must apologize in advance for straying well off topic here, but Dave's opening post showing Quebec "under sail" reminded me that I had heard of another Canadian warship proceeding using that means of propulsion ...
HMCS Lockeport in WWII:

http://www.forposterityssake.ca/Navy...EPORT_J100.htm

The background to her sails is explained in the text below the picture.

Again, apologies for being off topic, but couldn't see any point in starting a whole new thread just for this!
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Before we transferred Uganda to the RCN they sent over 80/83 officers and men to undergo cruiser training in HMS Belfast, they were there for the Battle of North Cape when the Scharnhorst was sunk. The RCN Tribals were also there with the convoy/s in case the German destroyers broke through. The "S" flotilla were chosen to torpedo Scharnhorst as they had 8 torpedoes vs the 4 of the Tribals which had the opposite number of guns.
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here is a rather nice picture of Quebec at work, how we should remember these ships.
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here is a rather nice picture of Quebec at work, how we should remember these ships.
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This is the most widely used photo of her from the Canadian navy archives - a classic shot of a beautiful ship.
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a very fine shot, I wonder from which ship it was taken. I was a bit surprised no one had already posted it. I think I was sent it by Michael Whitby, the RCN historian. Symbolises all the essence of Naval pride and purpose.
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a very fine shot, I wonder from which ship it was taken. I was a bit surprised no one had already posted it. I think I was sent it by Michael Whitby, the RCN historian. Symbolises all the essence of Naval pride and purpose.
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According to this site it was taken on the west coast circa 1952 - after she was recommissioned, having been laid up from 1947-1952.

http://www.forposterityssake.ca/Navy...QUEBEC_C31.htm

She and our second cruiser Ontario were very much the proverbial "white elephants" of the post-war navy, as they simply did not fit in with the small ship, ASW oriented vision for the navy at that time.

As an aside, Captain (later Rear Admiral) Patrick "Gunner" Budge, who you mentioned in this thread (post #7) as having been a mentor to your father:

http://www.worldnavalships.com/forum...ighlight=budge

was at one time CO of Quebec. He was a close friend of my father's.

As another aside, my father was offered command of Ontario in 1955, but turned it down in favour of command of HMCS Crescent where he was "double-hatted" as Commander, Second Canadian Escort Squadron, a mixed bag of nine destroyers and frigates. As he apparently said to my mother at the time, "I've always been a small ship man, and I'm not changing now!"

Apologies for getting way off topic!!!
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another fine photo of HMCS Qubec in the 1950s from air
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