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Old 27-11-2015, 22:10
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This will still be a topic of discussion in 2015 along with the possible purchase of replacements for Sea King choppers.
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Old 27-11-2015, 22:21
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This will still be a topic of discussion in 2015 along with the possible purchase of replacements for Sea King choppers.
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Probably in 2016 and 2017 as well!
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Old 29-11-2015, 01:20
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Tim: I still think Davie have taken on more than they can do within the promised timeline. If they are to deliver an operational ship in 18 months or so then it should be an AO or T-AO with Hepburn RAS stations, naval communications, a large helicopter deck and some container capacity to sustain a basic dry cargo replenishment capability. Adding substantial medical capability and accommodation as well as helicopter repair facilities makes the whole project very complex and increases the risk of late delivery.

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Old 30-11-2015, 22:01
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An update:

(From CBC News)

Davie Shipyard's $700M deal for navy supply ship retrofit to go ahead

"Following two weeks of uncertainty and debate, the new Liberal government announced today it would no longer delay a $700-million deal to have Quebec's Davie shipyard construct a supply ship for the navy."

Complete article here:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/davi...head-1.3344037

Personally I am in favour of this "interim" solution to the navy's at sea supply problem ... as well as being delighted to see that Seaspan's and Irving's "dog in the manger" attempts to stifle their competition have failed. (Sorry guys, but you'll just have to survive on the $35 plus billion you have already been promised!)
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Old 01-12-2015, 01:51
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I still cannot understand why this ship will cost nearly $500M while the Royal Fleet Auxiliary is obtaining 4 Tide-class vessels for £452 million (at least according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide-class_tanker), even with the relative efficiency of Korean shipyards.
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Old 09-12-2015, 01:22
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Tim: Time will tell if Davie can deliver all the capabilities in 18 months. I hope they can but there is little time for problem solving when problems arise in the construction.
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Old 09-12-2015, 03:05
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Tim: Time will tell if Davie can deliver all the capabilities in 18 months. I hope they can but there is little time for problem solving when problems arise in the construction.
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Old 11-12-2015, 13:45
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Has there been any debate as to who is to crew this ship? Seems like a waste of a lot of money to not only modify this ship and then train civilians to learn how to do a RAS. The whole point is the Navy has lost not only the ships with this capability but the personnel as well.
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Old 12-12-2015, 00:58
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I can't speak for the whole crew but RAS deck crews will be RCN.
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Old 12-12-2015, 02:20
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Has there been any debate as to who is to crew this ship? Seems like a waste of a lot of money to not only modify this ship and then train civilians to learn how to do a RAS. The whole point is the Navy has lost not only the ships with this capability but the personnel as well.
I'm sure there are any number of ex RCN tanker crews who could be enticed into manning a civilian ship even if it were to be navy manned.
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Old 12-12-2015, 06:23
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Has there been any debate as to who is to crew this ship? Seems like a waste of a lot of money to not only modify this ship and then train civilians to learn how to do a RAS. The whole point is the Navy has lost not only the ships with this capability but the personnel as well.
So when the RCN parked Protecteur in May they immediately discharged her entire crew (both enlisted & officer)?

And who is operating the refueling gear aboard Preserver in Halifax Harbour? Civilian contractors?
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Old 13-12-2015, 13:42
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Protectuer's crew filled shortages elsewhere and HR is holding positions with AOPS and JSS coming on line. KIN class is being manned close to 50/50 RegF/Res now as well so there are about 200 (new) posits there to fill.

As for Preserver, she still maintains a "safe alongside" status with a custodial and RAS deck crew for maintenance and fuelling operations.
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Old 14-12-2015, 04:09
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Which means that there are still experienced replenishment personnel in the RCN, and the RCN is continuing training of replenishment personnel, who will be available to step back in once the converted tanker is available - contrary to Chukk's assertion.
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Old 15-12-2015, 02:19
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Thanks for the clarification about the crew. Is the RAS equipment something that is now standardized? Will the crew have to retrain moving from one ship to the next? Apologies for all the questions, curious how much evolution/revolution has happened from my time in the Navy 80's
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Old 17-12-2015, 00:37
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Thanks for the clarification about the crew. Is the RAS equipment something that is now standardized? Will the crew have to retrain moving from one ship to the next? Apologies for all the questions, curious how much evolution/revolution has happened from my time in the Navy 80's


The RAS equipment for resolve is coming from former HMCS Protecteur.
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Old 04-07-2016, 20:27
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The first update I have seen on this project. Looks like a pretty tight timeline if she is to be ready to go by summer 2017.

(From Navaltoday.com)

Davie Shipbuilding starts conversion of MV Asterix into Canadian Resolve-class auxiliary oiler.

"Canadian shipyard Davie Shipbuilding cut first steel for the Royal Canadian Navy Resolve-class auxiliary oiler replenishment vessel during a ceremony held in Lévis, Québec, May 24.

Project Resolve, as the undertaking was dubbed, consists of converting a containership, former MV Asterix which arrived in Lévis in October 2015, into an Auxiliary Oiler Replenishment (AOR) ship in order to support the operations of the Royal Canadian Navy
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http://navaltoday.com/2016/05/25/dav...xiliary-oiler/
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Old 05-07-2016, 00:23
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Tim: The timetable is tight. Having said that, there are suggestions from others that delivery will occur in the 4th quarter of 2017. Time will tell.
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Old 07-07-2016, 00:56
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Tim: The timetable is tight. Having said that, there are suggestions from others that delivery will occur in the 4th quarter of 2017. Time will tell.
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Old 25-08-2016, 00:50
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An interesting video on this project:

(From marinelog.com)

Davie makes progress with Project Resolve


"Chantier Davie Canada Inc. has released a video that, it says, is first in a multi-episode series about Canada's next Auxiliary Oiler Replenishment Ship.

The ship is being created through Project Resolve under which the shipbuilder's Levis, Quebec, shipyard is converting a containership into a much needed interim fleet oiler for the Royal Canadian Navy
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http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?o...lve&Itemid=230
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Old 23-12-2016, 12:44
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An update:

(From CBC News)

Finland gets a slice of $587-million Canadian supply ship program

"The Quebec company that's planning to supply the navy with a leased replenishment vessel next year outsourced some key portions of the conversion work to an offshore shipyard, CBC News has learned.

Federal Fleet Services Inc., which is operating out of the Davie Shipyard in Levis, Que., has a contract to convert a civilian cargo ship for military purposes. It is also tasked with leasing the ship to National Defence, with crew and support, for five years.
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Old 07-01-2017, 02:38
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Tim: In view of the urgency of getting Project Resolve to its operational state, I think the offshore procurement of a key part of the vessel was justified.
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Old 07-01-2017, 03:03
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A recent (Nov 2016) video on Project Resolve:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0JV8ajbLjA
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So the crew compliment of the IAOR is 36 civilians, and fully manned with 114 military dependent on mission.
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So the crew compliment of the IAOR is 36 civilians, and fully manned with 114 military dependent on mission.
It will be very interesting to see how this civilian/military mix evolves.

There are a number of very important aspects which will have to be resolved ... as an example ... what will be the terms of service for the civilians if the ship is deployed to a conflict zone?

If the navy intends to continue this concept, it would be wise to study the rules and regulations governing the UK's Royal Fleet Auxiliary service, which has used this model since 1905.
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It will be very interesting to see how this civilian/military mix evolves.

There are a number of very important aspects which will have to be resolved ... as an example ... what will be the terms of service for the civilians if the ship is deployed to a conflict zone?

If the navy intends to continue this concept, it would be wise to study the rules and regulations governing the UK's Royal Fleet Auxiliary service, which has used this model since 1905.

Its actually quite well laid out for instance the ship will only operate in a low risk area. There's going to be 2 civilian crews of 36 with 30 days on 30 days off. As well if the crew size goes over 150 say for an evacuation, then a wavier from Loyd's must be obtained and extra life saving gear embarked. The contract is an initial 5 years with on year extensions after that giving a min of 130 days at sea.
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