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Old 05-12-2014, 02:32
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Surprise! Surprise!

(From the Ottawa Citizen)

DND to go to Treasury Board for more money for Arctic Offshore Patrol Ships

"The procurement specialists at Public Works and the Department of National Defence have conceded what others have long said there is not enough money for the Arctic Offshore Patrol Ships or AOPS."

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http://ottawacitizen.com/news/nation...e-patrol-ships
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Old 05-12-2014, 18:38
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Tim: I suppose these folks have some idea about the dollars required for the six ships plus shore and support facilities. It will be interesting to see how much is requested and to what purposes the additional funds will be put.
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Old 09-12-2014, 19:07
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These guys are spending our hard earned tax dollars on BMW when VW are all that is required.
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Old 12-12-2014, 01:27
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Esl: I don't necessarily agree with your position. The Danish Rasmussen Class, a possible alternative, relies heavily on shore support and is a small ship. The Dewolfe Class has the ability to operate to house the helicopter, a large operations centre, and an over the shore landing capability. It also has space for supporting other government departments and other elements of the CAF.

The federal government announced today that it intends to build a new $75,000,000 jetty north of the Angus L. MacDonald Bridge in HMC Dockyard, Halifax. It will be able to berth four Dewolfe Class ships.

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Old 12-12-2014, 03:39
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The federal government announced today that it intends to build a new $75,000,000 jetty north of the Angus L. MacDonald Bridge in HMC Dockyard, Halifax. It will be able to berth four Dewolfe Class ships.

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Upgraded shipyard, a class name, a new jetty - one of these days somebody might decide that it is time to select a design and actually start building these ships. (Please excuse my cynicism!!!)
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Old 21-12-2014, 00:19
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Tim: I think the Dewolf Class will be built. The air force bought a fifth C17 Transport this week so there appears to be money around for targeted purchases that also prove to be good politics.

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Old 16-01-2015, 16:30
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The latest:

(From CBC News)

Irving reaches shipbuilding deal with federal government

"Irving Shipbuilding and the federal government have signed a contract to build six Arctic offshore patrol ships and the deal guarantees the Halifax yard five ships with a ceiling of $2.3 billion."

Complete article here:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-s...ment-1.2912429

It would be nice to see some detail on the ships themselves - even an "artist's conception."
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Old 16-01-2015, 21:58
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Tim: The only depiction of the vessels that I can find is the embedded ISI sketch in the CBC article. One of the two drawings is the same as originally contained in Cdr. Poule's presentation which can be found in the Dalhusie University Centre of Foreign Policy Studies "Broadsides Forum" or through googling "AOPS". From the drawings I have seen in briefings over the last few months the outline design remains fairly consistent with the original illustrations.
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Old 16-01-2015, 22:08
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Tim: The only depiction of the vessels that I can find is the embedded ISI sketch in the CBC article.
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Me too ... and that one has been around for a couple of years now, so not sure just how accurate it is.

If they do end up looking like that, they are certainly not going to win any prizes for aesthetics!
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Old 19-01-2015, 16:47
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There is a brief next week at the Canadian Forces Maritime Warfare Centre
(CFMWC). I will pull out whatever non-OPSEC stuff I can and pass it on.

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Old 19-01-2015, 17:38
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There is a brief next week at the Canadian Forces Maritime Warfare Centre
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That would be great Pat - look forward to seeing whatever you can post after the briefing.
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Old 20-01-2015, 01:27
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Tim and Pat: There is additional Irving material on the http://www.blog.HalifaxShippingNews.ca which provides some detail.

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Old 24-01-2015, 21:20
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I read that the CO, XO and Coxn has been picked. From what I heard yesterday first steel will be cut 1st Sept this year.
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Old 28-01-2015, 21:57
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I've just gone through all of the threads.......DEPRESSING!
We just don't seem to get our act together when it comes to shipbuilding and financing.
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Old 30-01-2015, 13:21
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I now have the presentation and have a query in as to what (if any) classification it holds. I have even asked permission to do the brief at one the MMA's Tuesday night talks.

More to follow.
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Old 30-01-2015, 19:03
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I now have the presentation and have a query in as to what (if any) classification it holds. I have even asked permission to do the brief at one the MMA's Tuesday night talks.

More to follow.
Thanks for this update Pat - hopefully it will be "UNCLAS" so that you can share the details with us.
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Old 01-02-2015, 00:37
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Pat: If you do get permission to use the presentation and present at the MMA, please let me know. I will encourage members of the Centre of Foreign Policy Studies at Dalhousie University to attend.

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Old 02-02-2015, 12:04
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I have the nod to do this and am in the process of working out a Tuesday evening with MMA. That said, the presentation as made by the PMO may not necessarily appeal to the lay audience so my intent is to delve more into the impetus for the class, it's COE (Concept of Operations) - after all it is now referred to as an Arctic-Offshore vessel and a bit of history (HMCS Labrador) as well as a blurb on Nanasivik.
That said The group from Dalhousie I suspect would be able to recieve this presentation as made by Cdr MacLean. I am kind of surprised the invite was not extended to you guys. I would be willing to do that separatley and have actually been given permission to use the PPT as it was presented.
I am having issues at my work computer otherwise this would have been sent by PM. I alse cannot get into the Shipping News blog linked above....Maybe it is the cold temperatures today!!!!
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Old 03-02-2015, 02:28
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I have the nod to do this and am in the process of working out a Tuesday evening with MMA. That said, the presentation as made by the PMO may not necessarily appeal to the lay audience so my intent is to delve more into the impetus for the class, it's COE (Concept of Operations) - after all it is now referred to as an Arctic-Offshore vessel and a bit of history (HMCS Labrador) as well as a blurb on Nanasivik.
That said The group from Dalhousie I suspect would be able to recieve this presentation as made by Cdr MacLean. I am kind of surprised the invite was not extended to you guys. I would be willing to do that separatley and have actually been given permission to use the PPT as it was presented.
I am having issues at my work computer otherwise this would have been sent by PM. I alse cannot get into the Shipping News blog linked above....Maybe it is the cold temperatures today!!!!
Hi Pat:

Understand that you will be briefing at the MMA and are most kindly offering to do the same for the Dalhousie crowd ... is there anything you can pass on to the rest of us here on the Forums?

I know that Cd Dave Soule's briefing to Dalhousie from October 2011 is available on the WWW (http://www.dal.ca/content/dam/dalhou...CFPS_Sep11.pdf) and was wondering whether this latest briefing (providing it's UNCLAS) could also be made available?
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:13
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Pat and Tim; If we ever get rid of this snow and cold, I will speak to my Dalhousie U associates this week, hopefully tomorrow or Thursday.

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Old 06-02-2015, 14:08
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Hi Pat:

Understand that you will be briefing at the MMA and are most kindly offering to do the same for the Dalhousie crowd ... is there anything you can pass on to the rest of us here on the Forums?

I know that Cd Dave Soule's briefing to Dalhousie from October 2011 is available on the WWW (http://www.dal.ca/content/dam/dalhou...CFPS_Sep11.pdf) and was wondering whether this latest briefing (providing it's UNCLAS) could also be made available?
I just went through Cdr Soule's presentation and I think there is actually a lot more there on the strat level. Cdr MacLean's deals more with layout, accomodations, propulsion and communications systems (which are OPSEC anyway) - The kind of things a group of uniformed sailors would be interested in-which is exactly who his audience was.
Your best bet would be to deal with him direct or someone in ADM (Mat) as I may inadvertantly promise something I have to no right to. When I get the chance (again), I will go through and maybe even post some of his images.

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I just went through Cdr Soule's presentation and I think there is actually a lot more there on the strat level. Cdr MacLean's deals more with layout, accomodations, propulsion and communications systems (which are OPSEC anyway) - They kind of things a group of uniformed sailors would be interested in-which is exactly who his audience was.
Your best bet would be to deal with him direct or someone in ADM (Mat) as I may inadvertantly promise something I have to no right to. When I get the chance (again), I will go through and maybe even post some of his images.
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Old 07-02-2015, 00:54
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Pat: If you do get the opportunity to present a sanitized version, the Centre of Foreign Policy Studies, which consists mostly of retired CAF officers, would be interested in attending.

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Old 07-02-2015, 12:28
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I am tentatively slotted in for March 10th at MMA. I will be putting an info package out to Richard this coming week so it showed show up under their "EVENTS" link soon. You could also drop in for the BOA one end March! That one is in their calendar.
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Old 11-02-2015, 00:04
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Pat: Thanks. I just agreed to do two book reviews for the Centre of Foreign Policy Studies that focus on the histories of HMC Ships Trentonian and Oakville. That will get me in tune for your BOA talk. I will advise my colleagues of your AOPS date.
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