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Old 25-09-2011, 06:30
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From Italian Defence Ministry/Marina Militare-9/23/2011-dsl).

Italian Naval units participating in operation "Unified Protector" off the Libyan coast were recently visited by Commander-in-chief of the Naval Squadron
Vice Admiral Luigi Binelli Mantelli,accompanied by Admiral Philip Maris Foffi (CO of the contibuting Naval group).

The Italian Commander-in-Chief headquarted aboard the amphibious ship "San Giusto",Unit Flag HQ and also visited the frigate "Bersagliere" (9/19-9/21).

Since the beginning of the Libyan crisis,Italy has alternated Naval units as required comprising 14 ships, 2 submarines and a total of 3500 men and women naval personnel.

The NATO group in total thusfar having supplied 62 ships from 12 countries and a total of 9000 Naval personnel..

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Old 26-09-2011, 12:38
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Hi Derek-the newsman-thanks again for all the snippets of naval news around the globe-I for one appreciate your efforts.

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Old 18-10-2011, 19:08
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Terry,

I was about to post an item on Italian helicopters used by both their Air Force and Navy (and in Afghanistan) but figured you may have already covered in the past and maybe I missed it .Anyway I'll step sideways.........

You may have already seen-- but a lengthy October 15th article by David
Cenciotti on the Italian Navy website gives lots of detail on their latest AB-212ICO chopper operational in Afghanistan and used by their Navy.

The same page rolldown gives another story on Italian use of surface to air missiles and other systems with photographs that go on for ever from earlier in the year. All this stuff appears to be to be Cenciotti's who is a freelance Aviation journalist supplying multi-magazines , so I imagine copyright is involved .

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Old 03-03-2012, 12:34
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The Kerala,India High Court yesterday agreed to hear the Not Guilty plea of
two Italian Navy Marine guards from the "Enrica Lexie" of not intentionally
killing two Indian fishermen who they believed to be Pirates.

Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone have been held in custody since February 21st following arrest after their ship spotted an Indian fishing boat acting in a suspicious manner off the Kochi coast and ignored a warning shot.

The affair has caused widespread alarm in Italy and India with the involvement of Ambassadors , Naval officials and the Media in both countries.

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Old 03-03-2012, 12:58
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For those interested on the Italian Marines held in India which looks like being
a lengthy saga-there are reams of writing and comment on this story in "The Hindu" (and other Indian papers) under India News on Google
(The Italian Press has quietened down after the initial stages and seems to be awaiting further outcome.--the plea hearing should have taken place in Kerala yesterday).


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Old 03-03-2012, 14:23
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Amid a deepening row between India and Italy, New Delhi has once again asserted that the law of the land will take its course in the case involving an Italian ship and the two Italian marines now under arrest in Kerala.
The firm stand was conveyed to the Italian deputy foreign minister Steffan de Mistura, when he met on Wednesday the Union minister of state for external affairs, Preneet Kaur in New Delhi, and chief minister Oommen Chandy in Nattakom, near Kochi.
Mistura came to New Delhi on Wednesday to sort out matters following the arrest of the two marines. 'We want truth to prevail'.
In Rome, the commander of the Italian navy’s landing forces, Pasquale Guerra, was quoted by Italian newspaper Il Giornale as saying, “The chances of them making a mistake is very, very remote.”

He also said that both the marines would have been well aware of procedures when their ship was approached by a fast-moving small boat.
In another development, the arrested Italian navy personnel filed a petition before the Kerala high court on Wednesday, seeking to quash the first information report (FIR) registered against them.
First accused Massimilano Latorre, who is chief master sergeant of the San Marco Regiment, second accused Salvatore Girone Sergeant and Italian counsul general Giampaolo Citillio argued that neither had the state police the authority to probe the incident or file cases in courts here, nor had India the jurisdiction, as the incident occurred 'outside the territorial waters' of this country.
“Various Supreme Court of India rulings had made it clear that the jurisdiction of the courts in India was limited to the territory of India. The territorial waters and jurisdiction of India extended to 12 nautical miles from its coastline, but the incident took place 22.5 NM away from the coast, and hence the FIR and other proceedings should be quashed,” it was argued.
“The two navy personnel were performing their official duty and had been deployed by the defence ministry of Italy for the purpose of protection of the vessel from pirate attacks. So, the courts in Italy or the Military Tribunal there could try and prosecute them for the alleged firing incident,” the court was told.

The Italian side submitted that investigation in this respect had already been launched in the Ordinary and Military Prosecution Office, Rome, and the accused were liable to be tried there according to principles of international law

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Old 03-03-2012, 14:43
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Jim,

I'm always happy and appreciative at seeing your expert and detailed
backup to items I might just headline--it just proves that I'm getting lazy
and losing patience as remaining hair gets greyer ! (ps Junior in Brittany
says lots Oysters landed today,will share with half the village tonight after recovered from todays cultivating/cutting/spud planting=think he will be glad get back to Paris and newsland midweek !).

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Old 20-04-2012, 14:31
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There appears to be some movement on the case of the two Italian Marines held in an Indian prison since February 20th after being accused of shooting two fishermen they assumed to be Pirates.

Italian authorities have come forward to offer One Crore Rupees,which I figure to be around 145,000 pounds compensation for each man killed in the incident. My currency conversion may be off mark-it gets quite complicated ! The offer had earlier been for 70 Lakh Rupees per man (the Lakh seems to be 100,000 Rupees !) This offer had been rejected by relatives of the two men as had an offer of 35 lakh Rupees from the Italian ship owners.The latest One Crore Rupees offer has
now been accepted and has to be legalized.

Manwhile The Indian Union Court told the Supreme Court that the Kerala Police had no authority to detain the "Enrica Lexie" at sea, (The Kerala Police are ignoring/denying this) and the Italian Government through it's Ambassador In New Delhi urged India's Apex Court to turn over custody of the two men from the vessel(Chief Master Sgt Massimiliano Latorre and Sgt Salvatore Girone) to The Italian Government.

Don't expect anything to happen quickly !!

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Old 21-04-2012, 10:57
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Relatives visit Italian marines in Indian jail
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Published: Apr 20, 2012 00:41 Updated: Apr 20, 2012 00:49


MUMBAI: The relatives of two Italian marines accused of killing two Indian fishermen whom they mistook for pirates off India's coast visited them in jail Thursday for the first time since their February arrest.

Five family members spent an hour and a half with Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone, who had been providing security on a cargo ship, at a jail in the south Indian state of Kerala where they are being held.

"We found our loved ones doing very well," Massimiliano's sister Franca Latorre told India's NDTV.

"Our thoughts are with the families of the two fishermen," said Salvatore's father, Michele Girone. "We're very sorry, from the bottom of our heart." The case has tested India's relations with Italy, which maintains that it should have jurisdiction over the case because the two men are members of its military and the shooting took place in international waters.

India disagrees and has begun criminal proceedings against the men in Kerala.

An Indian judge was scheduled to deliver a verdict on the question of jurisdiction last week, but the decision has been delayed, Italian military attache Franco Favre said Thursday.
The shooting has stirred passions in both India and Italy, which has launched a massive diplomatic lobbying effort, arguing that the case could set a dangerous precedent for all foreign military personnel serving overseas. So far the effort has yielded little public support from the wider diplomatic community.
"We are trying diplomatically to bring them home," Favre said. He said the two marines are housed separately from the general prison population in good conditions.
He accompanied the families on their visit.


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Old 23-09-2012, 21:15
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It appears the Italian Navy will undergo significant reductions in the next four years due to the country's economic and financial problems. Four Maestrale frigates, the four Lupo (ex-Iraqi) frigates, six or eight corvettes, three Lerici minehunters, and a number of auxiliary vessels will be paid-off. Some of the auxiliaries, such as the tanker Stromboli, will be replaced; however the reductions are significant at a time when the countries south side of the Mediterranean Sea become more unstable. This must be a matter of concern to the NATO nations.

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Old 28-09-2012, 17:40
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ROME — Finmeccanica CEO Giuseppe Orsi warned Sept. 25 that further cuts in Italy’s defense funding could render his company unable to rapidly develop products for the country’s military operations.

“The [Italian military’s] British Lynx helicopters couldn’t fly hot and high in Afghanistan, and we compressed a six-year contract to 18 months for the remodeling,” he told a conference here focused on the military.

Finmeccanica had quickly carried out work on Italy’s forward operating base in Afghanistan, he added, while providing a rapid supply of gun turrets for Italian vehicles as well as systems to combat helicopter brown-outs.
“In future, without funding, we will lose global competitiveness and our ability to supply the Italian armed forces,” he said.

Orsi was addressing an audience of generals, admirals, defense industry managers, analysts and academics as well as Defense Minister Giampaolo Di Paola, who this year has formulated a wide-ranging reform of the Italian armed forces.


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Old 29-09-2012, 22:07
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Jim: It sounds like the Italian military-industrial complex is fighting back. I wonder if they understand that their country is broke! They sound like the American military-industrial complex at work. They too don't seem to understand that their country is also financially broke. However, I am willing to suspect that the Chinese understand the situation.

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Well, some people seem to have a hard time understanding that, without a certain amount of work being given to those companies, they will go bankrupt, and all those jobs* will be lost... further damaging the economy!

A certain political viewpoint seems to believe that business, and especially military business, can somehow go for years without any money coming in and still not only stay in business, but also pay their workers.


Reality says otherwise, and to blindly say "I wonder if they understand that their country is broke! They sound like the American military-industrial complex at work." as if these companies didn't depend on those government contracts for their very existence is naive at best.


The alternative to this public "fighting back" is corporate death... they are "fighting back" not against government cutbacks, but for their very survival!



Yes, there is a very urgent need to reduce government spending, but there is a practical limit to that reduction.

The government needs to find a balance between "tightening their belt" so far it becomes a tourniquet that cuts off the economy's life-blood and spending the economy into a death-spiral of debt and inflation.




* Not just in those specific companies, but in all the businesses that supply them with everything they need to function, the businesses that build/maintain/upgrade their facilities and equipment, the businesses that supply those businesses, the companies that provide all the goods and services the workers spend their money on, and so on!
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BB's capsule is spot on.

When times are supposedly tough, the automatic reaction is to pare the military down, which leads directly to major impacts on industry that depend on the military. Like ALL other programs, of course wastage and fraud in military procurement should be pared to nothing, but this is a mere drop in the bucket compared to overall spending. (Remember the 1900s "bloated armaments" arguments in the British papers? The very armaments desperately needed just a few years later?)

So we have a Congress that can't cope with it's main function -- creating and maintaining a budget for the country -- trying to pawn off responsibility for the problem of spreading the wealth onto other governmental entities whom Congress has mandated to do a job and then inadequately funded for years. Do you begin to see who the truly guilty parties are? This process is identical to the situation occurring in many other countries although the terminology for the controlling agency may differ.

So far I've seen cuts in about everything except:
1. Congressional salaries.
2. Congressional retirement pay and benefits.
3. Congressional medical coverage.
4. Salaries of Congressional staffs.
5. Travel budgets for Congressmen, Senators and staffs.
6. Cuts in salaries of political appointees approved by Congress.
7. Major cuts in salaries/benefits/etc., for those serving the Chief Executive, particularly those serving the FLOTUS, who is NOT a policy-maker or otherwise useful in running an efficient government.
8. Major cuts in entitlement programs aimed at removing fraud and waste and removing support for illegal immigrants and our own freeloaders we neither desire or need. People in in the illegal category usually have left their country because it's a mess -- our budget should be designed to force them back to fix their own country instead of borrowing ours for fun and profit.

I've been an active employee of the federal government for just over 34 years now, and around the federal system my entire life, which will be exactly 65 years tomorrow. I believe I have a bit of perspective in that arena by now. During my federal tenure, there have been a continuous series of "budget crises" (generated by an incompetent Congress on the one hand and rampant greed in the business world on the other) whose results have almost always been "lectures" from management after the latest round of personnel cuts and dollar paring about how "We'll have to do more with less," which is what Congress is basically trying to pawn off across the board. The fact that it defies the laws of physics apparently doesn't occur to them. That being the case, I've developed a practical example of such effectiveness I always mention to our dear dedicated managers -- "If you think you can do more with less, try it with toilet paper sometime and see how that works out."

My rant for the month -- following last week's budget update with the agency I work with.
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Happy birthday for tomorrow Don!
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Now that's really hitting below the belt, Don: " try it with toilet paper sometime and see how that works out."

After all where would we be without our bloated Congressional types and dear leader at 1600 Pa Ave? Wait....don't answer that! Is it 7 Nov. yet? DFO
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Seems to be some news about the Italian FREMMs:

On Dec 21, 2012 -- the Italian parliament confirmed the funding for the 7th and 8th FREMM unit. It passed a 'stability' law confirming a three-year funding of €2B of which €756M will be for 2013. This funding will be for the completion of the 5th and 6th MMI FREMM units, as well as expected construction (and long-lead time items) of the 7th and 8th units.

http://www.ilsecoloxix.it/p/levante/...di_altre.shtml
http://www.entellatv.net/index.php?o...naca&Itemid=27

Additionally, from what I've seen recently, the Italian Navy intends to lengthen and modify existing units. DFO
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