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Old 05-01-2017, 17:51
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Surprise! Surprise!

(From the Ottawa Citizen)

DND says delay on delivery of first Joint Support Ship is several months

"Last month there were reports that the Joint Support Ships being built at Seaspan in Vancouver had fallen yet again behind schedule.

The first Joint Support Ship was supposed to enter the water in 2020. Now according to the Department of National Defence’s latest performance report, that won’t be happening until 2021.
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http://ottawacitizen.com/news/nation...several-months
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Old 06-01-2017, 19:16
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Well at least there is ONE guy diligently working. Now if they get another perhaps the program will be on track...

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Old 07-01-2017, 02:27
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Lee and Tim: Time will tell if there are enough people working on the Queenston project.
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Old 07-01-2017, 03:49
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It's a real shame that the federal government won't admit that Seaspan is in over its head as far as the NSPS (National Shipbuilding Procurement Strategy)is concerned. If our military procurement system was not so riddled with politics, the government would cancel the contract with Seaspan and have these ships built by Chantier Davie who have the facilities, the workforce and the expertise to build them.
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Old 10-01-2017, 10:37
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Tim: I agree. Perhaps, things will change once Davie delivers the Resolve on time and on budget. However, if the government was proactive, they should be getting Davie involved in the Queenston Project now. One might see the hulls built by Davie and the ships outfitted, in part, with modules built by Seaspan and transported to Davie. Alterntively, just as Australia did with its LHD hulls built in Spain and Completed in South Australia, transport the entire hulls from Davie to Seaspan in British Columbia for completion.
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Old 10-01-2017, 20:10
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Tim: I agree. Perhaps, things will change once Davie delivers the Resolve on time and on budget. However, if the government was proactive, they should be getting Davie involved in the Queenston Project now. One might see the hulls built by Davie and the ships outfitted, in part, with modules built by Seaspan and transported to Davie. Alterntively, just as Australia did with its LHD hulls built in Spain and Completed in South Australia, transport the entire hulls from Davie to Seaspan in British Columbia for completion.
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Sadly, I suspect that nothing will change, for purely political reasons. The fact that Davie is located in Quebec will weigh heavily against it, as the government would face a firestorm of opposition from British Columbia (and the rest of the country) if it were perceived that they were favouring a Quebec shipyard.
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Old 01-03-2017, 08:51
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Canadian Joint Support Ships.

http://navaltoday.com/2017/03/01/can...al-jss-design/
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Old 01-03-2017, 23:30
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I find this absolutely astounding - $230 million to "develop and finalize the design" of a ship which already exists and has been in service with the German Navy since 2001!

No wonder the National Shipbuilding Strategy is in serious trouble.
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Old 01-03-2017, 23:37
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Tim: The contract price for this "design" works suggests extensive departure from the Berlin Class design. This suggests a final design for something much different than a typical AOR.
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Old 02-03-2017, 07:45
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I find this absolutely astounding - $230 million to "develop and finalize the design" of a ship which already exists and has been in service with the German Navy since 2001!

No wonder the National Shipbuilding Strategy is in serious trouble.
Does seem excessive when you compare the price with the RAN Cantabrias, $643 for both ships! Finished.
AUD and CD not much different within 10%
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Old 05-03-2017, 18:45
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Here is another story.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/...act-to-seaspan
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Old 12-09-2017, 19:07
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As much as I liked the names previously chosen, I like this even more. Let's keep the tradition of these two great ships alive.

(From the Ottawa Citizen)

War of 1812 names for Joint Support Ships are history – Protecteur and Preserver are the new names

"The Royal Canadian Navy has jettisoned the names selected by the previous Conservative government for its new joint support ships and will revert to calling the vessels by the names of the previous supply ships.

The new ships will be called HMCS Protecteur and HMCS Preserver, to honour the service of those two ships over the years.

The Conservative government’s decision to name the joint support ships after War of 1812 battles never sat well with navy officers, according to defence sources.
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Old 15-09-2017, 00:22
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Tim: I think the change to traditional oiler names is a better solution than some forgotten War of 1812 battles. Perhaps Asterix might become HMCS Provider if the RCN acquire ownership and commission her.
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Old 15-09-2017, 08:02
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Tim: I think the change to traditional oiler names is a better solution than some forgotten War of 1812 battles. Perhaps Asterix might become HMCS Provider if the RCN acquire ownership and commission her.
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Do you think this is the plan or is it just a hope of some officers?
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Old 15-09-2017, 20:24
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Do you think this is the plan or is it just a hope of some officers?
Don't know whether it is in anyone's plan ... but it would certainly make sense.

She could act as the "swing" AOR when either of the two new AORs is in refit and as a standby Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief ship (HADR). Sadly I think that manpower and fiscal constraints will probably preclude this ever happening.
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Old 17-09-2017, 23:33
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XYZ: I doubt that there is a plan to purchase MV Asterix, however, any change in the world situation might provide ample reason for such action.
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Old 06-10-2017, 20:36
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$2.3 billion "not enough" to build two ships - UNBELIEVABLE!

(From the Ottawa Citizen)

New cost for Joint Support Ship to be released next year - $2.3 billion not enough

"The Canadian government has listed the cost of the Joint Support Ship acquisition as $2.3 billion. That, however, is set to change. “As for costs, the published estimate of $2.3B is from the earlier part of the decade and is several years old,” noted an email from the Department of National Defence. “The figure predates Strong, Secure, Engaged and the rigorous costing exercise that was used. That particular cost estimate – much like others – has been kept online as a reference tool only.”

“The website will be updated when detailed costing is released as part of the Defence Investment Plan in 2018,” DND noted. “This plan will be refreshed every three years to ensure the investment priorities of Defence continue to be reflected.
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Old 06-10-2017, 23:57
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Tim: We could buy several Asterix Class for the 2.3 Billion figure!
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:32
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What would the political consequences of killing the Queenstown class and moving to a Quebec built run of container ship convertions?
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Old 07-10-2017, 14:38
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What would the political consequences of killing the Queenstown class and moving to a Quebec built run of container ship convertions?
There would be some political ramifications sure but the deal is done and they will be built at that yard. To build in Quebec it would be the same cost.
We don't need all the AOR's to be conversions as they are inferior in a number of ways.
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Old 07-10-2017, 23:21
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There would be some political ramifications sure but the deal is done and they will be built at that yard. To build in Quebec it would be the same cost.
We don't need all the AOR's to be conversions as they are inferior in a number of ways.
Have they done a cost plus deal? Are the price increases over and above reasonable inflation due to changes at the request of the Navy?

If not why is it not down to the yard to deliver at the quoted price?
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