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Old 12-01-2018, 01:56
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Hard to believe that this is the navy that swept the Pacific, and built hundreds of excellent, powerful warships of all types....... DFO
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Old 12-01-2018, 10:16
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Whilst folks might disapprove of this class of ship, without taking these steps in development, where would we be?

The furthest man has travelled in Space was way back in the 1960's/1970's but what lessons were learnt from those amazing Apollo missions?

That class of destroyer certainly looks different
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Old 12-01-2018, 15:44
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Whilst folks might disapprove of this class of ship, without taking these steps in development, where would we be?

The furthest man has travelled in Space was way back in the 1960's/1970's but what lessons were learnt from those amazing Apollo missions?

That class of destroyer certainly looks different
Very true, just like the Dreadnoughts when they first appeared.
Way back, there were doubters that steam would ever take over from sail, but look where we are today!

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Old 13-01-2018, 03:57
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Hard to believe that this is the navy that swept the Pacific, and built hundreds of excellent, powerful warships of all types....... DFO
Those 80 strike length Mk 57 cells just don't cut it now do they.
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Old 13-01-2018, 09:29
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If this had been an RN vessel, it would have made media headlines as being a complete fiasco. Take the T45, and the incessant criticism it has endured, the press hysteria over the QE's 'leak' and the price of the T26.

The wonder ship that was supposed to be, is an over expensive piece of equipment, who's price has even made eyes water in the US.

Now we learn that one round rpt one round of ammunition for its futuristic main guns cost $800,000, and people still think this is an advance in warship design.

Needless to say the ammo cannot be afforded, and no alternative is either available or forecast to be available.

Makes some of our problems look like minor ones. At the moment Zumwalt makes a very nice photo opportunity as it sits languishing alongside. Still think this is progress

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-...-for-ddg-1000/
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Old 13-01-2018, 15:13
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Perhaps these 155mm mounts will be ripped up and dumped in a depot out in the dessert in 5-10 years down the road with rail guns in mind. And of course there will be no problems with the rail guns.
These ships may be doomed to a life as very expensive test beds for future systems. That may be an overly pessimistic view at this time but the USN just doesn’t seem overly concerned to even bother to mature these ships. It is all about getting the Flight III Burke’s line up and running.
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Old 13-01-2018, 20:42
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Perhaps these 155mm mounts will be ripped up and dumped in a depot out in the dessert in 5-10 years down the road with rail guns in mind. And of course there will be no problems with the rail guns.
These ships may be doomed to a life as very expensive test beds for future systems. That may be an overly pessimistic view at this time but the USN just doesn’t seem overly concerned to even bother to mature these ships. It is all about getting the Flight III Burke’s line up and running.

US Navy railgun may be dead/

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By Kyle Mizokami Dec 5, 2017

After spending more than $500 million, the Department of Defense is moving away from its railgun project and instead leaning towards a mixture of new and existing technologies.

The U.S. Navy’s highly touted electromagnetic railgun weapon system, which can fire a projectile traveling 4,800 miles an hour at distances of up to 100 miles away, will likely never see combat in its current form. The half billion dollar project has not led to a combat-ready system, and instead the Pentagon is looking at combining brand new hypervelocity railgun technologies with “powder” gun technologies hundreds of years old.

In 2005, the Pentagon gave defense contractors General Atomics and BAE Systems a mission to create a working railgun that could arm the U.S. Navy’s next-generation warships. Railguns were meant to lead shipboard guns away from gunpowder-based propulsion to electric propulsion. Railguns use a series of high-powered magnets and powerful electromagnetic fields to fling a projectile at tremendous speeds.

Now, twelve years later the Pentagon is reluctant to field the system. Although the railgun works, it is behind on the number of shots per minute it can fire, firing only 4.8 rounds in one minute instead of the required 10 rounds. The Pentagon’s Strategic Capabilities Office, designed to fast track new technologies critical to keeping America’s technological edge on the battlefield, has also began favoring the hypervelocity projectile, or HVP. According to Task & Purpose, the railgun system could be “dead in the water” by 2019.

HVP takes the projectile technology from the railgun program and adapts it to fire from existing U.S. navy 5-inch guns. HVP doesn’t get the same speed and distance railguns do—at Mach 3 they travel at about half the speed and at about 30 miles they only travel a third of the range, but they’re still a considerable improvement over existing 5-inch shells. But U.S. Navy cruisers and destroyers each have at least one 5-inch Mark 45 gun, meaning the firing platform for the HVP is already in widespread service across the Navy’s surface force.

All in all, it’s unlikely the railgun will find its way onto a Navy ship by the early 2020s, as some experts originally predicted. Still, the Navy’s railgun technology isn’t going away. The service may be looking for a cheaper, less challenging, more modest leap in tech as it tries to grow the size of the fleet, but eventually railguns will become standard on warships. The advantages—some still theoretical at this point—outweigh the disadvantages. The electric revolution in naval warfare that sweeps away chemically powered weapons may be deferred, but it isn’t going away.

That said, it was the general consensus in most naval-discussion forums, upon the USN cutting the program back to only 3 units, that they would be exactly what you suggest, Surfgun - technology testbeds, never to see frontline service*!


* Except in case of a major war (or widespread lower-level maritime conflict).
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Old 13-01-2018, 20:56
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Poor, Captain Kirk....

Not to mention a ship named Michael Monsoor !
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Old 14-01-2018, 21:03
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re: #329..."Those 80 strike length Mk 57 cells just don't cut it now do they."

At @ $8 billion+ per unit............rather expensive "arsenal ship"; not to mention hull shape that apparently causes problems in certain sea states, per USN.

They do seem to be another USN FUBAR...promote someone!!!

I'd submit that the Burkes make a far more potent, co$t effective design that works. DFO
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