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Old 15-08-2017, 23:37
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Default Re: Warship Collisions, Groundings, Fatal Events

Originally Posted by ASSAIL View Post
Tarawa, Palau and Iwo Jima may rival Passchendaele for pointless slaughter but the magnitude of the slaughter in no way compares with the butchery on the Western Front.

495,000 casualties from both sides at Passchendaele killed and wounded
7,850 at Tarawa, 20,700 at Palau and 41,500 at Iwo Jima.
Sickening yes, comparable no.
Not completely sure this is the venue for discussing such things, but when you factor in the relative sizes of the armies involved and the duration of the battles, the daily rate of wastage of human life was comparable between "big pushes" on the western front 1916-1918 and the island assaults in the western pacific in 1943-45 (about 0.003 KIAs per soldier per day); further, the tactical and strategic concepts being pursued in both theatres were also similar: infantry assaults against heavily a well-dug in and highly-motivated enemy; and attritional warfare aimed at geographic objectives of dubious worth. But while Haig and co are rightly held to account by history, there is no such questioning of those responsible in the Pacific. Instead all we seem to get is continued vilification of Halsey because he had the effrontery to sink four enemy aircraft carriers in October 1944 and failed to guess the track of a typhoon...
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Old 16-08-2017, 03:12
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Default Re: Warship Collisions, Groundings, Fatal Events

Originally Posted by Gwyrosydd View Post
Well, Savo Island was a bad defeat, though I think Pearl Harbour was somewhat more so, no?
Well, yes, more people and ships were lost of course. But one was a surprise attack on a nation at peace with the side attacked having no ability to respond, whereas the other was an engagement between what should have been two prepared forces. I suppose one could define Pearl as a "battle" but that word is very seldom used, it's an "attack"; and I don't think you can really have a defeat without a battle. But I guess it's symantics; which ever way you look at it, they both beat the typhoon - sad and unnecessary as those losses were - and that makes the statement in the article hyperbole.
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